The Oracles choice

Doondoon

hey guys have you ever wondered why the oracle just let smith copy himself onto her and did she have control of him at the end of the super burly brawl. smith makes a good point when saying "the oracle knows all and is never suprised but then why would she stay why wouldnt she run" then he throws the cookies and says "maybe you knew i was going to do that maybe you didnt but if you did then you dikeberatly baked those cookies and put them there purposfully.

thoughts?

Trikraft

The Oracle knew that Smith was coming for her, and thus stayed while she sent Seraph and Sati away. She knew that Smith was going to copy over her, she once said she had to make a choice, to help Neo, or not to help him, and letting herself be copied over and feeding Neo that line at the end of the Super Burly Brawl was the culmination of that choice. None of us can see beyond a choice we don't understand, and I mean no one. She didn't understand the choice she had to make, but she knew she had to make it. She understood it after a time, and that is why she allowed herself to be copied over.

HiLiter

Also - what happened to Seraph and Sati once the Smiths caught up with them cos we dont see themm again till the end.

Soz - a little off topic but the hought just came to me SMILEY

HackViral

Well, one main reason she allowed herself to be copied is because she
tricked smith by doing it..Smith, was never actually "in control" of
the oracle..she used Smith, as a tool. As for Sati, and Seraph, from
what I can gather they threw Sati, out the window which is probably
what I would of done. Seraph, well I suppose he was copied over.

**cloudwolf**

Smith overwrite Sati thats for certain, dunno bout Seraph but im guessing him too cos wen all the Smiths come into the Oracles room she asks wots they've done with them then one pipes up some line (cant remember it, soz) that the oracle had said to sati earlier...

Doondoon

the part your refering to is when the oracle says "what did you do with sati" and one of the smiths says "cookies need love like everything does" if you were wondering.

WarIock

Well, I believe Smith was in control. Although, he didn't understand what he was in control of. The Oracle understood choice, he didn't. She saw what she wanted (except stuff that depended on choices she didn't understand), he saw what she had seen before.

Another thing is that I believe she understood her choice towards the end. That's supported by she being able to see the end of the fight, which Smith saw right after he took her over. If she hadn't understood the choice, she couldn't see past it. One possibility is that, after Neo left, she understood he'd go against Smith and she'd have to help him, putting herself somehow in the terrain.

In regards to Seraph and Sati, they were also taken over by Smith. What I like about it is that the Oracle didn't seem to see that one coming. Maybe she was too focused on her role and neglected to see it, maybe she assumed Smith would come straight for her and they could escape, maybe Seraph underestimated Smith's speed and took too long to leave. Still, it sort of proves the Oracle can't see everything that's coming.

Angellice

"no one can see choices we don't understand, and i mean no on, not even me."

WarIock

Angellice wrote:
"no one can see choices we don't understand, and i mean no on, not even me."

The correct quote is "No one can see beyond a choice they don't understand, and I mean no one." (she was talking about her not being able to see where it would end). Which, in my understanding means she can't see the future after stuff they don't understand.

But here's where it gets tricky. After, when comenting the Architect's statement of Zion being destroyed, she says "You and I may not be able to see beyond our own choices", which suggests that they can see past other people's choices, since they don't need to understand why they do it, only THAT they do it.

So I still think she neglected to think that Smith might want to get Seraph first, or that Seraph might escape too late.

Peer

Maybe she realized that it wouldn't matter either way if Seraph and Sati escaped.

There were only two outcomes possible:

1) Neo would succede in defeating Smith and the Matrix would be restored.

2) Smith would win and destroy the Matrix, thus exterminating all biological and machine life on Earth.

Either way... being temporarily taken over by Smith would be of little consequence.

WarIock

Peer 2.0 wrote:

Maybe she realized that it wouldn't matter either way if Seraph and Sati escaped.

There were only two outcomes possible:

1) Neo would succede in defeating Smith and the Matrix would be restored.

2) Smith would win and destroy the Matrix, thus exterminating all biological and machine life on Earth.

Either way... being temporarily taken over by Smith would be of little consequence.

If that was so, why would she have Seraph escape with Sati or even be mad about it when Smith reveals it to her?

She wanted Sati to be safe, either by simple concern of by fear of Smith finding out her real power (some say that was how Smith changed the looks of the Matrix, I tend to think there's more hiding in there), she didn't want her to be caught.

Peer

Maybe it's for the same reason that we have hospice services.

We know a person is going to die, yet we do everything we can to keep them "healthy" and comfortable.

I think the Oracle was simply trying to delay the inevitable as much as possible. She got mad, simply 'cause Smith was a bastage.

WarIock

Peer 2.0 wrote:
Maybe it's for the same reason that we have hospice services.

We know a person is going to die, yet we do everything we can to keep them "healthy" and comfortable.

We do that because it improves what little quality of life they have, by reducing the pain with morphine, or helping them breath painlessly with machines, etc.

In that case, Sati would have a better experience by staying with the Oracle, as she'd make her feel better than just running from a madman.

Also, Seraph seemed more coordinated in Reloaded...