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Vindicator

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I'll use Silver Bullets and/or Stakes in PvP when my IS is completely drained.  Anything to stay, I say. 

Should they have a reuse timer?  Maybe.  They never have before though, so don't blame it on CR2.  SMILEY




Jacked Out

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One damage to players, low rolls against players.

Very much needed.


Systemic Anomaly

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When someone spams an entire stack on you its kinda frustrating. One time in PvP I was getting spammed with them cause the other player sucked and this was the only way they could hurt me. The entire PvP stopped and everyone watched me go from max health down to 0 over the course of 5 minutes while this person spammed me. If they start, do what I, and one other faction mate does, hit them with holy water just to show them how much of a noob they are.



Mainframe Invader

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If you want a clean fight, have a duel.

PvP is a completly different world. People who take pills, TB's, Anti's, boosters, inhalers even use stakes, holy water and silver bullets are in my opinion, prepared. If you don't think it's right for people to use the consumable items put in the game for that very reason then don't flag.

The tide of PvP can swing around in seconds, if you're winning then suddenly losing, take consumables. I know I don't PvP to get killed, and if I'm getting killed I'll take whatever is on hand at the time. If I happen to have a stake or two from random lootz (that I havn't sold) expect to find it lodged in your chest.



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Renzouken wrote:
I agree with the Angel.

some 1 has 2 XD


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The thing is d00mninja, people are annoyed with the stacks of stakes or bullets. Its not one or two, its as many as they have. When it happened to me, I couldn't do anything at all.
Message edited by Fenice on 11/17/2006 10:12:52.


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d00mninja wrote:
If you want a clean fight, have a duel.

PvP is a completly different world. People who take pills, TB's, Anti's, boosters, inhalers even use stakes, holy water and silver bullets are in my opinion, prepared. If you don't think it's right for people to use the consumable items put in the game for that very reason then don't flag.

The tide of PvP can swing around in seconds, if you're winning then suddenly losing, take consumables. I know I don't PvP to get killed, and if I'm getting killed I'll take whatever is on hand at the time. If I happen to have a stake or two from random lootz (that I havn't sold) expect to find it lodged in your chest.
I agree with you entirely. Renzo never hides in the allyways whilst jacking up on Boosters like the other junkies, Renzo pays good moolah for his stash.

This Wooden Stake/Silver Bullet/Holy Water issue, on the other hand makes a complete mockery of the combat system. Hell if I had to put my money on a Martial Artist versus an Awakened of same level with an invent full of consumables I'm not sure if I'd be expecting a win from the MA. That's sad.


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The issue is easily solved, although not by us. I had no idea that these items had such an advantage when it comes to rolls. So just petition to have them normalized, let them hit as often as any other special ability attck.



Another option is to force them to wait for your opponent to enter into one of the combat states, off-balance, dazed and so on.



Apart from that I don't see the issue. If you know the person you are fighting is gonna use them go get some yourself.



I don't use them personally, I sell them I'm still leveling to 50 so I don't get to see very much pvp unless it's as the Doctor rezing them after they fall.

Message edited by Sidoen on 11/17/2006 11:17:44.


Ascendent Logic

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I guess I'm like Steven Colbert and George Bush, I'm going from the gut (kudos if you get that joke), and my gut tells me consumable tools (not to be mistaken with consumable pills) truly do not have a place in PvP. Also, circular arguments, "if they're using them, so should you" isn't the best way to prove your point.
Example:
Lets escalate that argument to the extreme. You jack in one day and see a massive pvp fight. Everyone has managed in one way or another to get into an interlock situation (again, this is hypothetical). Rather than see the usual barrage of knives, extreme falling kicks and dual pistol executions, all you see are silver bullets, wooden stakes and holy water, every round, every one using them. Stop for a moment and picture that, close your eyes, let it sink in.

If that image appeals to you, please post here and show it proudly and loudly.

For the rest of us, please post how disgusted you are with that image.

I'm digusted.



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Dagonet wrote:
I guess I'm like Steven Colbert and George Bush, I'm going from the gut (kudos if you get that joke), and my gut tells me consumable tools (not to be mistaken with consumable pills) truly do not have a place in PvP. Also, circular arguments, "if they're using them, so should you" isn't the best way to prove your point.
Example:
Lets escalate that argument to the extreme. You jack in one day and see a massive pvp fight. Everyone has managed in one way or another to get into an interlock situation (again, this is hypothetical). Rather than see the usual barrage of knives, extreme falling kicks and dual pistol executions, all you see are silver bullets, wooden stakes and holy water, every round, every one using them. Stop for a moment and picture that, close your eyes, let it sink in.

If that image appeals to you, please post here and show it proudly and loudly.

For the rest of us, please post how disgusted you are with that image.

I'm digusted.

QFE. I'd rather die then use some consumable weapon. I'd definitely be disgusted if I jacked in one day and all I saw was the spamming of silver bullets.


Ascendent Logic

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Dagonet wrote:
I guess I'm like Steven Colbert and George Bush
i read that and stopped listening to you SMILEY




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Fenice wrote:
Dagonet wrote:
I guess I'm like Steven Colbert and George Bush, I'm going from the gut (kudos if you get that joke), and my gut tells me consumable tools (not to be mistaken with consumable pills) truly do not have a place in PvP. Also, circular arguments, "if they're using them, so should you" isn't the best way to prove your point.
Example:
Lets escalate that argument to the extreme. You jack in one day and see a massive pvp fight. Everyone has managed in one way or another to get into an interlock situation (again, this is hypothetical). Rather than see the usual barrage of knives, extreme falling kicks and dual pistol executions, all you see are silver bullets, wooden stakes and holy water, every round, every one using them. Stop for a moment and picture that, close your eyes, let it sink in.

If that image appeals to you, please post here and show it proudly and loudly.

For the rest of us, please post how disgusted you are with that image.

I'm digusted.

QFE. I'd rather die then use some consumable weapon. I'd definitely be disgusted if I jacked in one day and all I saw was the spamming of silver bullets.

You really don't have any reason to be disgusted, it's a game, it's a combat stuation, everyone has the same ability to use the same tools if they have met the same challenges. It's not a good idea to call a linear argument circular. It makes it sound like you are using the term circular argument to discredit a perfectly logical  statement. If your opponent has an advantage over you that you are reasonable able to also gain, then it follows that good sense would dictate that you go and aquire the same advantage to level the playing field.

 That is why it's okay to use them, because everyone is able to get them equally, it's a fair system if maybe a little over-powered, but it's over-powered for everyone. Just because you don't like the way it looks or concept from an RP POV is really beside the point, don't get so upset over something so superficial, go get some of them yourself and balance the playing field for a while THEN make a determination as to where they should be used and how.

This is hardly a moral dilema.



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Sidoen, for most of us its the fact that they are spammable, and you can't outroll them... at least I couldn't. Like I had said, I really don't care if someone uses one, I won't but if the other person wants to fine. Its when they start spamming 10 of them that it becomes an issue because all you can do is just wait for them to be out.


Ascendent Logic

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Sidoen wrote:

This is hardly a moral dilema.

If everyone was as "smart" as you and took your advice to use silver bullet/stakes/water, then the end result would be my hypothetical situation of jacking into mara central and seeing nothing but people fighting with consumable tools.

It seems to me that you should loudly and proudly state that is where you want the game to go and solidify your argument.



Virulent Mind

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I don't think I've ever seen someone use them in PvP.

However, there are a few rules that I have when it comes to duels.

First off, I hate people who heal people who are duelling. it gets really annoying and just delays the fight. a lot of the time, it could potentially throw the fight in favor of the other person.

Second off, do not EVER duel me and buff. I'll /duel stop immediately. It's BS. If you have a tiger's gi on, take it off, because I can't tell the difference. You say it's just the gi going off, but nobody knows that for sure.

Third, Consumable pills/boosters/antibiotics during PvP are okay. When it's a 5:1 situation, and you're hanging on long enough to get backup, you have every right in the world to pop that pill. Also, I use antibiotics pretty regularly to counteract DOTs and stun/powerless hacks.

Fourth, Biggest pet peeve ever: People who jack-out in the middle of a fight, or after they've lost, to avoid death effects. I know of one person, who's a proxy coder, who's notorious for these actions. He'll intentionally crash his game if he's about to lose, or right after he gets killed, ALL the time to avoid death effects.

One night we had this guy trapped in an elevator, so he intentionally crashes his client (probably went to windowed and hit the X so he jacked out). Of course, he comes back perfectly healthy when he logs back in, and starts up on his little tirade again.

Anyhow, those are my rules for pvp. Feel free to enjoy.

Message edited by Antitux on 11/17/2006 22:21:19.

 
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