In this case, I believe Griffin wasn't lying. If he was, GetThemAll could have just reconstructed his RSI. No harm, no foul. Granted we are only privvy to portions of what happened so it's difficult to determine the absolute truth.
In any event, this was a very intriguing report.
Yeah, sure, if he had EJP or wasn't just some random Self-Substantiated bluepill.
Yeah, because that happens regularly. Self substantiation is rare enough, A self substantiated bluepill that hasn't been disconnected from the simulation and removed from the pods would seem unlikely.
Garu, I'm a bit confused though. Regardless if Agent Griffin was lying or not, an exile (unless backed up) would not be able to reconstruct and a bluepill would be the same. The only thing we can see from the report is that GetEmAll did not reconstruct, but that doesn't indicate if he was Human or Program.
In any case I've not heard of an Agent actually lying to someone. Not telling the full truth, ok, but never outright lying.
As for the truthfulness of the simulation, the Machines do not tell bluepills that the simulation is real, bluepills do that themselves. Define real though. The only difference between a brick in the simulation and a brick in the real is what it's made of, stone or code. You can say that the virtual brick isn't really there, but its code is there, the thing that it's made from, are you saying that the code isn't real? What are you looking at then? Just because it isn't tangeble from outside the simulation... the 'real' world isn't tangeble from inside the simulation, so is the simulation real? I guess it depends on your viewpoint.
Reminds me of the quote 'am I a man who dreamed he was a butterfly or am I butterfly dreaming that I am a man?'
Garu, I'm a bit confused though. Regardless if Agent Griffin was lying or not, an exile (unless backed up) would not be able to reconstruct and a bluepill would be the same. The only thing we can see from the report is that GetEmAll did not reconstruct, but that doesn't indicate if he was Human or Program.In any case I've not heard of an Agent actually lying to someone. Not telling the full truth, ok, but never outright lying.
That's the point I was trying to make. If GetEmAll was a human operative then he'd just reconstruct. Griffin's termination would mean nothing. He'd continue trying to kill his doppleganger. Since he does not reconstruct and remains "dead" I can only presume that Griffin wasn't lying.
Nevertheless, because we are only shown pieces of what happened, it's hard to make a confident conclusion.
As far as programs lying...yes they can. Machines are sentient enough to make their own decisions. If they discern it is beneficial and advantageous to lie or manipulate they will and have. Many of them do. Do I include Agents in that group? Yes. It's not impossible.
That's the point I was trying to make. If GetEmAll was a human operative then he'd just reconstruct. Griffin's termination would mean nothing. He'd continue trying to kill his doppleganger. Since he does not reconstruct and remains "dead" I can only presume that Griffin wasn't lying.Nevertheless, because we are only shown pieces of what happened, it's hard to make a confident conclusion.As far as programs lying...yes they can. Machines are sentient enough to make their own decisions. If they discern it is beneficial and advantageous to lie or manipulate they will and have. Many of them do. Do I include Agents in that group? Yes. It's not impossible.
I think we all learned from this event that...
*****es don't know about my Agent Griffin.
Whether he's shooting people in the back, to come in and take all the glory from the lime-light, or telling straight-up to peoples' faces that they fail at everything. He's one cold-hearted motha'.
If GetEmAll was a human operative then he'd just reconstruct.
Garu wrote:If GetEmAll was a human operative then he'd just reconstruct.Unless the Machines had [fill in the blank] his [fill in the blank].
Rarebit wrote:Garu wrote:If GetEmAll was a human operative then he'd just reconstruct.Unless the Machines had [fill in the blank] his [fill in the blank].Fried his jack. Cut his cord. Killed his wife. Surfed his waves. Eaten his sandwich.
They Rick Rolled his family, and they thought they Rick Rolled him too...
They were wrong.
