Vinia wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Ah I see... so you're saying that the Humans could possibly be controlling them or in command of them? Is that what you're driving at?

Controlling in some form would be my guess. Last night Carlyne informed a few of us that the Machines know where Halbron s located which got me asking why hey leave him alive if he is such a problem. My first idea was that he had some higher purpose and they need him alive. But then I got to thinking about exactly what it is the Matrix symbolizes for them. Their power, might, strength and if they are this scared of Halbron and Carylne inside the simulation one can guess that that same fear carries over into the real. Why else would they want to pull all sentinels back t 01 for something accruing inside the simulation.

Hmmm... ok, I'm willing to entertain the idea and you have a point but as far as we can tell these guys have been around for a while. How long, according to your hypothesis and what we've found out recently, would these Humans have been exerting some form of control over the Machines and would that extend to all of the Machines?

How long I can't say. Halbron's knowledge of past events outside and how the Matrix has gone through cycles would indicate that this group has been around long enough to see this all happen so for now I'll say since the beginning. How far it extends? All the way to the top of the Machine pyramid.

What kind of control it is though I don't know. I don't think its a direct control like the way the Machines are over bluepills. That is to say that I don't think Halbron or Carlyne have some kind of authority above the Machines. I think that it is perhaps they are a symbol of that control above them. Perhaps something along the way the Oracle used control over everyone else.

From what I read, he never said anything about Zion, just that Halborn and Carlyne have some kind of control over the Machines..

About the same way you might take the theory that, that coloney was actully above the Machines.

 

GamiSB wrote:

Vinia wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Ah I see... so you're saying that the Humans could possibly be controlling them or in command of them? Is that what you're driving at?

Controlling in some form would be my guess. Last night Carlyne informed a few of us that the Machines know where Halbron s located which got me asking why hey leave him alive if he is such a problem. My first idea was that he had some higher purpose and they need him alive. But then I got to thinking about exactly what it is the Matrix symbolizes for them. Their power, might, strength and if they are this scared of Halbron and Carylne inside the simulation one can guess that that same fear carries over into the real. Why else would they want to pull all sentinels back t 01 for something accruing inside the simulation.

Hmmm... ok, I'm willing to entertain the idea and you have a point but as far as we can tell these guys have been around for a while. How long, according to your hypothesis and what we've found out recently, would these Humans have been exerting some form of control over the Machines and would that extend to all of the Machines?

How long I can't say. Halbron's knowledge of past events outside and how the Matrix has gone through cycles would indicate that this group has been around long enough to see this all happen so for now I'll say since the beginning. How far it extends? All the way to the top of the Machine pyramid.

What kind of control it is though I don't know. I don't think its a direct control like the way the Machines are over bluepills. That is to say that I don't think Halbron or Carlyne have some kind of authority above the Machines. I think that it is perhaps they are a symbol of that control above them. Perhaps something along the way the Oracle used control over everyone else.

Fine but even if it was control by way of coercion wouldn't that mean that the destruction of each Zion, the (probably) millions of dead, the renewed war etc... perhaps even the maintaining of the pod towers down to Humans and not Machines? Has Zion's hate been directed only at the tool used by other Humans for their own survival and superiority?

GamiSB wrote:

About the same way you might take the theory that, that coloney was actully above the Machines.

 

I don't think so. I think there is a colony of humans that was created long ago that have their own truce with the Machines.

GamiSB wrote:

About the same way you might take the theory that, that coloney was actully above the Machines.

I don't think so. I think there is a colony of humans that was created long ago that have their own truce with the Machines.

ThePigeonKing wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

About the same way you might take the theory that, that coloney was actully above the Machines.

I don't think so. I think there is a colony of humans that was created long ago that have their own truce with the Machines.

I agree with Capone. I don't think it's a matter of the colony controlling the Machines, rather that they're held in check through nothing more than diplomacy. There's an agreement between the two, and peace reigns on Earth. The War and the Cycles are a petty affair which the colony doesn't particularly care about.

Although it's clear that the colony can definitely hold its own against the Machines.