Why not use cows?

**POwedMxOplayer**

Detrius_MXO wrote:

Why not put cows in pods instead of humans? Wouldn't it be less trouble? That should show you that machines don't hate mankind since they allow them to survive when a cow would provide much more energy and less of a headache.

Because the story is about people, technology, and control. Also the movie wouldn't have sold (been greenlighted) based on cows in pods.

**DeBarlo-ED**

POwedMxOplayer wrote:

Because
the story is about people, technology, and control. Also the movie
wouldn't have sold (been greenlighted) based on cows in pods.

There it is... the ol' "it was in the script" theory. True enough that
cows wouldn't nearly made as much money at the box office as humans.
Machines oppressing those that had created and later tried to destroy
them makes a much better story.

And Detrius, yes, I had once been a mod. I was also a beta player from way back.

Detrius_MXO

Where talking within the context of the strory, not what was convient to the script. When you answer that it was to make a more interesting movie, your actually taking the easy way out without thinking of a valid explanation to the original question.

Has anyone here ever milked a cow?

xJaydox

If stated before me, I'm just reinforcing these possibilities:

Animals might not have existed post blowing the hell out of the planet.

In order to actually obtain energy from a host body, the matrix program
must stimulate the mind to create body heat, there may be no way to do
this with cows, since their normal lives aren't that physically
stimulating, and overstimulating them may cause the cows to reject the
matrix, like the first humans did.

but all in all, why didn't the machines use cows?

Lactose Intolerance.

minuend

Well, I figure they used us because...

We're human. If the Machines were religious wouldn't we be Gods?

In the end we lost the war. Where no prisoners taken? Didn't we surrender?

There were pro-Machine humans, living where? For how long? First crop?

All they know is humanity. They were designed to serve. They've spent the better part of their existence studying us.

I suspect due to the way they think, without us they'd get bored. At least for now.

They need us around to finish evolving into metallic clones of us. At least for now.

I can't honestly see how much plant life survived no sunlight,
nevermind the nuclear issues. Not many animals would survive the path
that leads to. How long until the oxygen runs out without large
forests? I believe most organic life is doomed if the planet is indeed
mostly barren on the surface, which it appears to be.

**Mercio**

alot of good points have been brought up. And you could go a thousand different ways with this, but i'll go for the biological side of this.

Ok i think it has to do with the brain activity between humans and cows.

On one side cows are less intelligent and resourceful because their brain activity and development is way below ours, this is because after thousands of years of evolution the genetic code that has carried on, shows that a cow would be better off using the energy that would normally take a brain to work, in a different area, like their stomachs.

So Humans have the most brain activity of all the animals on earth. Which means we have the most electrical impulses and signals being relayed. Morpheus mentioned that we produce like as much as 124 volt battery and blah blah BTU's. Other animals such as the cow would very much so have more BTU's than us. However we have more Volts which are more important than BTU's. because volts are pure electricity

So i guess what im trying to say is Humans are more energy efficient than cows. :smileyhappy:

**Soulfire1**

One thing I never understood...why was body heat important to the Machines? Or at least, why did Morpheus mention the factoid about the BTUs?

Death670

Heat is a form of energy so the machines could harvest the electrical energy and then harvest the heat energy and convert it to electracal energy.

Death

Danger_Frog1471

Well this might have been said before but anyway i'll tell you what i tihink....as the story goes the war was against man and machine.......man tried to get rid of machine by scorchin the sky....and soo....machine replied and killed two birds with one stone by stoping man doing any more destruction and gettin the energy to survive all by putting them in pods :smileyhappy:

**CrazyHeadBanger**

The point is not getting energy from any kind of life force, it's a part of enslaving humanity.

Yeah sure, they could put cows, but then they still have humans to deal with.

But with the humans in a form of slavery they no longer have anything to combat them.

The humans see no difference cus they think they are living their lives, but really its the matrix.

If they wouldnt have used humans then the humans would be living in cages and fed paste all day...

So which is more humane? Tricking humans to live in a false world that they think is real? Or having humans live in cages and get fed protein paste?

Disseminated

The awesome theories and answers have already been said (and 5*'d). So I'll just point this tidbit out...

Anyone look up the definition of MATRIX in the dictionary?

Having been a student of engineering I always saw it in the mathematical context of just a lattice... a structure for holding. Same thing with materials science, the matrix is just there to HOLD something...

But that's not what the dictionary says. Look at the etymology.

MATRIX is essentially synonymous with WOMB.

That implies something so much more and a little lightbulb comes on (that couldn't possibly be powered by body heat) when you consider the implications on this mythos we all know and love. SMILEY

MC Roadkill

i dont know what everybody has said before.....but.....

consider this.

why not cows instead of humans

1. a cow is a program within the matrix, there for you can not put a program in a pod.

2. only humans and the machines are real.

3. the 'real' live-stock died in the war against the humans, when man made the sky dark.

4. the machines were in war with the humans, not the animals and as a
punishment for the humans, the machines put the humans in the pods and
fed them a substitute live.

the only question i have.....is how did the machines put the humans in the pods?

did they put the original humans from the war in the pods or do they
make their own humans and how do they make them? we do they get their
resources?

sinza

the answer my friends is easier as u would except.

machines are dumb in nature. Made of steel and plastic. Filled with lots of codes.

and i bet the codes comes from m....s...... after the war nobody was able to apply some patches and updates SMILEY

thats why they dont use cows.

lol they call me a bluepill,

dough!!!!!

thanks for your time

love

sinza

Arther

Were there even cows around during the 2nd Renaissance? I didn't see any other animals 'cept for the pet kittens that B166ER's owners had. It seems likely that the humans lived in a time in which natural recources were wearing thin. I can't imagine cows being anywhere in abundance. The "Alien" novels depict the future that instead of using real meat for meals, they used "soypro".

And actually it seems more reasonable that after the war the more immediate response was to turn the enemies into something useful. The human survivors first became prisoners, then the machines put them to use. The machines are "efficient". They use what recources are immediately available.

Detrius, you ask a good question, but I heard someone ask an even better one. If the humans "scortched the sky" as an offensive tactic, why didn't the machines just leave earth and go to a different planet altogether. They're not exactly indigenous lifeforms. Heck they could probably survive in any environment. Build a new 01 in outer space for all that matters.

But the machines don't care about what's better. That's the way humans think. The machines care about what works currently. Imagine a robot boy and a human boy, they both get a Nintendo (the old NES). Now, the human boy will go out and buy the latest version. Super Nintendo, N64, Gamecube, and... the next one coming out (???). The robot boy however will continue using the old system as long as it works. The only time the robot boy may want to up it to the next version is if he experiences problems with his current system that cannot be repaired.

This is what happened with the first Matrix I imagine and why there's 6 versions. I can only imagine that the machines milked the first five versions for as long as they could be used. When repairs could no longer be made, they went to the next solution: upgrade to new version.

We humans are the ones who upgrade even if the current version is okay. If something is better, we go with the better version. It may be hard to believe but I don't imagine machines going simply with what's better, they go with what is readily available.

Init

seiphroth wrote:

in the movies has anybody seen anything that remotely looks like a storage unit (bar onboard the Zion ships)

I dunno, that thing that skewered Trinity looked an awful lot like a Hard-Drive read armature......

:smileyvery-happy: