cyborgs

betaprimus

watching some of the dvds in the ultimate matrix collection, its brought up several times, how theres nano-bots within redpills, and bluepills, their purpose is to allow for an interface into the matrix

which does explain alot

how was neo able to stop the sentinals? the nano-bots within him allowed access to those sentinals

how was neo in the matrix, while not jacked in? the nano-bots were able to communicate with the matrix on their own

how did neo see smith, after he was blinded in the real? the nano-bots sensed the machine program

maybe the truth is, the one is not special, cause he just happens to be the resulting code from choice, but maybe rather than trying to be so anti-machine, to neglect the machines inside, to embrace the machines, and get into a common understanding

and technically the only true humans in the matrix movies are the freeborn, the redpills would technically be cyborgs

Manolius · 03/01/2006 22:22:36

betaprimus wrote:

maybe the truth is, the one is not special, cause he just happens to be the resulting code from choice, but maybe rather than trying to be so anti-machine, to neglect the machines inside, to embrace the machines, "and get into a common understanding"

You got that right, cause the one never really wanted to fight and destroy the machines. By reaching to the source, he (maybe a she perhaps... who says it isnt possible, a female one) speaks to the Architect, they get to a "common understanding" chosing so and so from the zion people, rebuilding zion then and all that stuff. All to keep the cycle and the matrix and the bluepills and redpills alive.

However, This one, Neo, seems to be just not a normal one, because he did something nobody ever did before. He still got to a common understanding with the machines, just in a different way, and thought us something. Instead of trying to fight and destroy each other, we must work together and try to live a way we could all get benefist.
Remember the first live event?....

"Bless all forms of life" - said in the animatrix.

Your theory is interesting, have to say i never thougth it that way.

Message Edited by Manolius on 03-01-200610:22 PM

**ShadowReapr** · 03/01/2006 22:29:32

Valid points, but not entirely. I believe the Oracle said something along the lines of "You felt the source, but weren't ready for it" (also, remember this was after his meeting, therefore he should of gone to the source already). I could be entirely wrong, but I thought that's why he ended up in Mobile Avenue - the buffer area between the Machine and Matrix worlds. He had to reattach his mind to his body (per se, for it never left) As for the stopping of the Sentinels... the nano-bot idea is feasible, after all the One is, ultimately, the creation of the Machines. Either that or he went wireless on their *CENSORED*.

And Smith? The same reason he could see the Machine world; Unlike in the Matrix, where code vision was crucial to his role, in the Real it was a "back-up" mechanism, and he could see the programming.

But for all of it, yeah, you could be right, since the Machines orchastrated the One and what powers he has, ultimately. Think of it as you will, I guess: Someone who can open a locked door, or someone who has merely had the door unlocked for him.

Message Edited by ShadowReapr on 03-01-200610:29 PM

WGAnubis1

geez, i need to get that collection.... anyone know a place i could get it online for cheap?

**zeroone506**

Try eBay.

However, if I remember correctly, the nanobots were only mentioned in one documentation, and that one didn't really explain the movie but just told about real, scientific facts about AI, robot mechanics and virtual reality. The nanobots were a suggestion how the simulation could be delivered to directly to the brain with a 100% feeling of realism.

However, this theory about nanobots really sounds realistic. I was always kinda aware that the podborn redpills (I think podborn is superfluous because redpills actually mean podborn) are cyborgs, but not in that amount as betaprimus suggested.

I don't know if it really does have to be about nanobots: it could've been any kind of device planted in the body.

betaprimus

yeah the nanobots were under the documentaries

one person that happened to mention it was professor west (aka counciller west) which really makes you wonder if that is what the W bros were thinking of, cause they hold much regaurd for him that.... they wrote a charactor about him just for him

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Hmm.. Betaprimus I think you're digging too deep. As said before the Oracle tells Neo what happened with the sentinals, he could feel the source but was not ready for it. If you've watched the philisophical commentaries of Revolutions youll know that they suggest the 'real' source is not within the matrix, it's physically in 01. Neo understands after speaking with the Architect that there will never be peace untill something other then 'choosing the correct door' is done, hell, the Oracle even says "The only way to get through this is together" (before the burly brawl I think? when she explains exiles and such). So after running off and seeing the destruction of the Neberchedneser (I appologise if its misspelled -_-), Neo stops and thinks to himself, then reaches out to the 'real' source to disable the sentinels. I think nano bots are a little too farfetched for our epic philisophical sci-fi trilogy, the Oracle even says (add-libbing), "The One's powers reach beyond that of the Matrix"

Truely >.> all of your questions are answered to a great degree from the philisophical commentaries on Revolutions, but I would like to say (in my own oppinion, and stated over and over again by the philosophers) that Neo's second sight was to show the spirit of the machines, or their life force in a sence. Think of it like echo location, but instead of seeing reflected sound waves, Neo is seeing the pure energy that comprises that machines phisical body and/or ai, and nothing else. I say 'and/or' because in the case with Bane, Neo didn't see the shell with his second sight, he saw Smith, the ai of the machine; whereas with every other machine we see in his sight they appear as their shells do.

minuend

Well, to be honest with you no technology is required to be in the redpill for a wireless interface with a machine. We, in real life, already have the technology for machines to read the waves flying out of everyones brains and do something based on that. What we have so far is still very basic, but It's a huge part of virtual reality research, among many many other uses. Like moving prosthetics.

I believe the Brothers meant us to assume our current real life technology would be(or have existed) in the world layed out in the Matrix. Because the Matrix is based off the height of our civilization and it looks identical to the really real world.

Both computers and human brains give off waves that can be "read", so I see no need for Neo to have any extra technology implanted into him for a wireless connection to be possible. All it would require is that the Machines have a system set up that accepts wave based access. Oh hey, look at that, the machines use wireless! So how about that..............