As I already called in some other thread.

The Oligarch is a civilization above the Machine rule. They in fact could be said to rule over them and be the cause for all this. For all the problems they have been causing the Machines one has to wonder why they do not attack this colony and why they are so afraid of them. If this was Zion doing this swift action would have already been taken against the city but we have yet to see such. Only reasonable answer is they can't because they are under the control of or enslaved by them.

Hmm which has gotten me thinking lately. What if that is the reason why the Machines called off the truce with Zion. Because they fortified themselves so much they may now be able to progress technologically past what the Machines have allowed. meaning they themselves could per say achieve the same level of technology as this colony has. This in turn could also be related as to what the Architect created the cycle for. That if allowed to Zion not only would become more and more stronger but also become more and more advanced. Perhaps his worries for his survival are because he has already seen or knows what humans are capable of in this colony?

Per speculation though on my part.

Only reasonable answer is they can't because they are under the control of or enslaved by them.

GamiSB wrote:

Only reasonable answer is they can't because they are under the control of or enslaved by them.

Or have an equitable agreement with them that could, if broken down, cause even bigger problems for both parties involved. The Oligarchy may have some aspect of control over the simulation above the Machines but control or enslavement over the whole Machine civilisation is just speculation.

Possibly. I have to agree that there is something about the colony and/or the relationship with the colony that worries the Machine civilisation. That much is obvious. Hopefully we'll find out more in the coming months.

Me and a good friend, ijakings, were talking earlier where we discussed our shared idea that Ouroboros may well have been the company that first created the Machine AI. I mean, are the intital creators actually referenced anywhere? Animatrix, comics or anything?

He also made the connection that Binary Boy, a collector obsessed with machines and their early history, is stationed just outside Ouroboros HQ. Tied together with the robotics research and ironic manufactuer of toasters it becomes that much more of a probable theory. Recreating their own creators within their simulation of the world they were created in, while allowing their real creators to control their own company of old, from behind the scenes in their technologically advanced surface colony, it all gets rather interesting. Dont you think?

Some other things floating around since the latest Zion crits suggests no real heirarchical structure to the Ouroboros (thus, Oligarch's) systems:

- Each Oligarch works on a purely self contained basis, able to operate individually within the substructure of the group as a whole.

- Each could be a physically dead bio-mort like Halborn, controlling everything at the colony by their thoughts and suspended counciousness alone. They would be the very first creators of the machine AI, a sort of immortal elder-council.

- The other colonists may likely know nothing outside of the Oligarchy, in much the same way awakened humans automatically went to the side of the Zionites (their awakeners, "saviours" before the truce and alteratives the Oligarchs may be using awakened humans as indoctrinated followers.

- The self containment of individual Oligarch members may result in more internal conflict within the Oligarchy than we suspect, there could be internal power struggles going on all the time behind the scenes (See Carlyne wanting to get rid of Halborn).

- Mauser may have been saved by and subsequently hired by an Oligarch whos interests lie in stopping the war (this same oligarch may well be involved with the Oracles plot). A more off-wall theory connected to this in a sec.

- As already mentioned earlier in the thread, The Oligarchs are also the creators of the Matrix/Pod system, they helped the Machines evolve (being their original creators afterall) and win the war on the stipulation they preserve humanity as a power source as opposed to genocide. This is backed up the Merv research showing no logical reason to use humans as power.

- Now for that off-the-wall theory. And theres a couple of ways this could go... Right, here goes. Neo, following his saving of The Matrix and all of Humanity and the Machines (not due to saving any sort of critical power source but by stopping the extinction of Humanity which in turn have broken the initial agreement with the Oligarchy, resulting in them pwning the Machines), was moved to the colony where he was nursed back to health and accepted as a member of their civilisation (maybe even an Oligarch himself) (Note: this side tracks into a seperate theory that the Oligarchy are actually formed from previous Ones and not the creators of AI but that contradicts everything else here and will be held for another day). He's allowed to watch how things unfold from afar, never allowed to leave. He follows the rules. Until the war starts again; the one thing he'd worked so hard to stop. So he starts this plot (possibly in cohots with Morpheus, who'd figured out where his body had been moved to and faked his own death to mask his own infiltration into the colony) alongside the Oracle to end the war again. For good. This includes leaking information on the biological interface to Halborn, who'd rush to the Matrix in a rage and reveal the Oligarchy to Zion and other third parties. Now, the grand plan, destroy the Oligarchy from the inside out (remember the Oracle coding kill codes, looking at you Oligarch head council). Once the Oligarchy are gone theres no reason for the Machines to enslave Humanity as part of the original agreement and, following the awesome act of freeing them from their own prison of Oligarchy control, the Machines call off the war, shut down the Matrix and free Humanity on mass. The End.

Edit: Also, was it ever confirmed where Sarah Edmontons worked? If it turns out to be Ouroboros, I'd say thats pretty much confirmation Neos at the Colony...

Edit 2: A lot of credit goes to ijakings, my fellow wild speculator.

I like the thining on this thread. But is there anything canonical (actual ingame material) that refers to this Oligarchy?

Felt like this was worth putting up

(not my idea Phasmata gets all the credit.)

"Morpheus said he had to go away for awhile and everybody was going to think he was dead. I think Morpheus found the secret people. I think Cryptos knew too and he told the Morpheus simulacrum. That's why the Morpheus simulacrum started acting weird and collaborating with the Oracle's people. But that leaves several unanswered questions. If Morpheus faked his death, did he make a deal with the Merovingian or the Assassin? Maybe after Morpheus found out about the secret people, he understood why the machine programs wouldn't let him see Neo, so he decided to go live with them. Since he had caused enough trouble in the Matrix, the Matrix Trinity probably wanted him to go away anyways and the Merovingian used the Assassin to make it look like Morpheus got killed. Killing Morpheus shocked all the redpills and made them stop doing bad things to the Matrix, which is what the Trinity wanted. Nobody saw him get killed first-hand so it was never verified. But then the Assassin spoiled the ruse so the Trinity got the redpills to kill him too.

Morpheus probably went to live with the secret people in one of their colonies. He told them about Neo and more importantly, Smith, and Halborn wanted to investigate. If the BIP allowed Smith to write himself to humans and the Oracle created it, then the Oracle made Smith to counter Neo. AND the Oracle is the one that keeps Smith coming back to manipulate the humans. Anyways, Halborn was old and thought he could use the BIP to make himself a new body and that's probably why he started taking bluepills from the pods so he'd have test bodies to use. It would be nice to live forever, but then everybody would always try to make things bad for you because you're different."

blue jeans are very overrated.

Although I remember cloud saying to me that it was Neo that had the BIP. Im not sure on this as Im just incharge of all the Wild Speculation and putting 16 and 7 together and making 14.