So now that the Cypherites and E Pluribus wont be supported by MxO what will you do?

privaronT · 10/09/2008 13:30:30

Just curious on some of your plans. I guess were not even going to be getting the organizational meetings or occasional live events so its pretty much if your Cypherite you don't get content.

I dont know I may cut back down to one sub to see how things work out of morbid curiosity. Other than that who knows.

**Remixermike**

where does it say cyph and Epn wont be supported by mxo o.O

privaronT

Remixermike wrote:

where does it say cyph and Epn wont be supported by mxo o.O

Development Roundtable post by Rarebit. Content changes are being made in which will remove the ability for players to obtain EPN CYPH tags also these new forms of content relocation will not be offered for these organizations.

**Remixermike**

yea i saw that after i posted here lol. But yea i am highly pissed off about that decsion.

**Neoteny**

I'm guessing you'll pretty much get to participate as a Machinist.

Since there are only like... 10 Cypherites total on Recursion anyway, I'll just play the way I always have. If Cryptos or Veil ever do show up, you're guaranteed a nice event, though.

And your tag will be superpimpin' rare, I guess.

/shrug

The entire thing's kind of lame.

**Remixermike**

good thing i moved off of recursion to syntax when i did since that place is cyph heaven and epn heaven

privaronT

Neoteny wrote:

I'm guessing you'll pretty much get to participate as a Machinist.

Since there are only like... 10 Cypherites total on Recursion anyway, I'll just play the way I always have. If Cryptos or Veil ever do show up, you're guaranteed a nice event, though.

And your tag will be superpimpin' rare, I guess.

/shrug

The entire thing's kind of lame.

Im a Cypherite I dont pay SOE to play as a Machinist. That's just how it is. If Rarebit wants to take things away he takes away reasons to play that simple.

Im looking forward to him proving what a skilled developer in the industry he is however by using this extra time on his hands to improve the quality of work hes putting out.

**Croesis**

The game may not support it (The game has never supported them technically with seperate mission controllers etc..) but that doesn't mean you need to stop being Cyph or EPN. Tag or no, if your that way inclined continue to play that role, noone is going to stop you the splinter orgs have just gone underground blending back in with their parent org, although for some this will (RP) be harder than others.

privaronT

Vinia wrote:

The game may not support it (The game has never supported them technically with seperate mission controllers etc..) but that doesn't mean you need to stop being Cyph or EPN. Tag or no, if your that way inclined continue to play that role, noone is going to stop you the splinter orgs have just gone underground blending back in with their parent org, although for some this will (RP) be harder than others.

If I want to roleplay with no real substance Ill call a 900 number.

**ShiXinFeng**

For the story, I say it's a great way to streamline things. Zion and Machine need this more than we need EPN and Cyph.

But I'll keep the tag till I 'die'. Shi Xin will always be EPN.

**Grace of Darkness**

It will pretty much go back to what it was before they officially stated that they were organizations. Were you not doing that before Trucidous?

They might be hinted in the storyline but I Idoubt there with be anymore actually references to them unless of course they decide to allow the org to do a sort of seperate mission during a machine live event.

I really don't know how it's gonna turn out, I know that most people that are with the Insidious faction are only there because of Kellners return. Most Cyph factions on syntax are pvp only so they may just keep the tag just to be different. So, I wouldn't bank your money on cyph rp on syntax to be real strong either.

lol this is almost like the reinsertion incident, I know alot of ppl left the org/game because of it. I wonder how many with leave this time...

My alt will be staying Cyph for however long as possible, this just gives me a reason to actully play them now because before I was only hopping on just for live events which were becoming non existant (now I know the reason lol).

I must admit though if rare is not gonna jump on Cryptos or Veil anymore I'm gonna really miss Veil. I like the substance of her character, but it really wouldn't make any sense to keep the orgs without leaders.

**MxO_Neopill**

After a rather dramatic switch from Zion to EPN, and now this. I dont see any reason really to be POed about it.

We are basically retaining our "underground" status. And as most of you know , on Syntax, most of our Zion/EPN live events get casually intertwinned in one way or another.

I look forward to this.

And on a side note. The inability to get the Gold and Blue cyph/epn tags should be rather appealing to the faction leaders of existing EPN/Cyph groups. I imagine it will be like owning a Awakening jacket. Not everyone has them, and you can no longer get them. A few years from now, if the gods of MxO allow us to still come here. A EPN/Cyph tag could be a rarity.

privaronT

Grace of Darkness wrote:

It will pretty much go back to what it was before they officially stated that they were organizations. Were you not doing that before Trucidous?
They might be hinted in the storyline but I Idoubt there with be anymore actually references to them unless of course they decide to allow the org to do a sort of seperate mission during a machine live event.
I really don't know how it's gonna turn out, I know that most people that are with the Insidious faction are only there because of Kellners return. Most Cyph factions on syntax are pvp only so they may just keep the tag just to be different. So, I wouldn't bank your money on cyph rp on syntax to be real strong either.
lol this is almost like the reinsertion incident, I know alot of ppl left the org/game because of it. I wonder how many with leave this time...
My alt will be staying Cyph for however long as possible, this just gives me a reason to actully play them now because before I was only hopping on just for live events which were becoming non existant (now I know the reason lol).
I must admit though if rare is not gonna jump on Cryptos or Veil anymore I'm gonna really miss Veil. I like the substance of her character, but it really wouldn't make any sense to keep the orgs without leaders.

You know heres the biggest slap in the face for me. I spent two years agreeing that the Veil character was awesome. If you remember Strenlo both from the Unlimit arc as well as after the Truce broke out I was hired as A Cypherite to kill him. After doing so I was given a reward by a Machine LO in the form of her partial observational file from the Machines.

Rarebit knew these changes were coming alot of us knew these changes were coming. When I finally confronted her after the rescent Vector Live event Rarebit decided to totally blow it off and opt to take screenshots of her RSI around a burning barrel instead. This is pretty much how it all culimincated for me.

Rarebit never even made an effort to really tie up loose ends with loyal Cypherites or EPN with these characters. People spent years investing in this organization you included Grace. It's just a huge let down we have nothing left to look forward to in regards to fleshing our these characters.

If Rarebit hasn't made an effort to flesh them out in any live event let alone when the first person to even get a Cyph tag in MxO gets a characters partial file and confronts them on it I think its safe to say he never will.

**Sputnik**

I am going to give the changes a chance and attend a couple Zion org meetings to see how it goes. I just don't see how Niobe will give EPN full access to information now when it seems like in the past she only gave us information when she absolutely *had* to work with us cause it was her only option. It never even seemed like she wanted our help, yet EPN was always willing.

I'm going to continue being EPN. I don't think EPN or CYPH ever lost their purpose, and taking away our colorful tags won't do anything to dampen my spirit or hopefully others. In fact it makes it feel a little stronger. I want to prove that we haven't lost purpose because we haven't. Just because we can't get new tags doesn't mean we're obsolete. There are still fully established EPN/CYPH factions, and there's nothing stopping us from establishing new factions with CYPH/EPN tags that don't have the dash or colors. No new tags and no LE character interaction is not gonna stop me from continuing as EPN.

"The Cypherite and E Pluribus Neo organizations are returning to their original, "underground" status; their characters will still exist in the story, but we will not attempt to support them as player organizations with live quests or meetings; we have attempted to do so up to this point, but our development capabilities and existing game mechanics have never been able to do them justice."
If you read the rest of that sentence after "underground status" it says that they won't be supported by the characters, not that existing factions are going to go cower under their bed sheets because Michael, Shimada/Veil, Cryptos won't be showing up at meetings or leading us around anymore. This definitely sucks, but getting a high five from Shimada or Cryptos isn't the only thing that's worth being in EPN/CYPH.

Both CYPH/EPN have always been similar to the mach/zion, but there are some big differences as well, like EPN not having the Zion council to hamper efforts and being more aggressive and cyphs wanting reinsertion and being more aggressive. I don't see how war breaking out has made us lose our purpose. And it makes me so angry whenever I hear people, especially those in EPN/CYPH, say that we have no purpose. We have not lost purpose and we do have differences from the parent orgs.

Tenshi

With the truce broken the two splinter orgs have darn near identical goals anyways, hence no need to have a whole separate set of operations for the Cypherites. While keeping the tag will show to everyone that you still remain cypherite for whatever reason, functionally the machnists and cypherites are pretty much the same.