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Jacked Out

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Well I really don't think it makes sense to be fight several people of equal experience (Neural spikes, levels, whatever) and win.  If you want to take down a group, operate with a group.  If you can handle a group alone (with buffs, specialized loadouts, lugs, or Zudrag) then power to you, but it really doesn't make sense for that to be the norm.


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In my opinion, the biggest issue here is only allowing 1 hyper defense at a time. It makes defending against all the numbers trying to kill you even harder.



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Pylat wrote:
Yeah I was about to say that, Luggables = buffs. Which is exactly what Swimming is talking about, being buffed when you're fighting numbers.

So all you've done is proven is that, when buffed, people can take on numbers and win.

PS, you can easily close the "Team" window and have team members off screen killing those people for you, just saying.
Not the case in this instance. And while it is feasible to take out more than one person alone now if you can just dish out enough damage fast enough, I'm not saying that it should be a piece of cake to take out a few people before you die. I'm just saying that fighting multiple people is a concept that defines what people think about when they think "The Matrix". Therefore, it should be a concept that is given special attention to, seeing how we have a useless multifighting ability. Make it increase your Regeneration by 10% or something when there's more than one hostile player within 10m of you or something.



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Thats weird really, I always thought that the buffs on luggables did *CENSORED* all.
Hm unless you stack them from all 3 districts...

*Cough*


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A smart person doesn't run into a group of hostile players without buffs. If you get jumped, you do have "CTRL SPAAAAAAAAAAAACE" to save you.


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Marias wrote:
Not the case in this instance. And while it is feasible to take out more than one person alone now if you can just dish out enough damage fast enough, I'm not saying that it should be a piece of cake to take out a few people before you die. I'm just saying that fighting multiple people is a concept that defines what people think about when they think "The Matrix". Therefore, it should be a concept that is given special attention to, seeing how we have a useless multifighting ability. Make it increase your Regeneration by 10% or something when there's more than one hostile player within 10m of you or something.

If someone thinks the defining concept of the Matrix is fighting a bunch of people, then I'll likely completely ignore that person.  Really.

But even in the context of the movies, how often do Redpills of equal strength fight each other in groups?  Ever?  Most cases I can think of is either a redpill fighting several bluepills/programs, or Neo fighting a bunch of Agents/Smith.  Since we aren't Neo we shouldn't expect to multi-fight agents, but we are obviousely capable of fighting multiple programs/bluepills.


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-Collbard- wrote:
Marias wrote:
Not the case in this instance. And while it is feasible to take out more than one person alone now if you can just dish out enough damage fast enough, I'm not saying that it should be a piece of cake to take out a few people before you die. I'm just saying that fighting multiple people is a concept that defines what people think about when they think "The Matrix". Therefore, it should be a concept that is given special attention to, seeing how we have a useless multifighting ability. Make it increase your Regeneration by 10% or something when there's more than one hostile player within 10m of you or something.

If someone thinks the defining concept of the Matrix is fighting a bunch of people, then I'll likely completely ignore that person.  Really.

But even in the context of the movies, how often do Redpills of equal strength fight each other in groups?  Ever?  Most cases I can think of is either a redpill fighting several bluepills/programs, or Neo fighting a bunch of Agents/Smith.  Since we aren't Neo we shouldn't expect to multi-fight agents, but we are obviousely capable of fighting multiple programs/bluepills.

I kinda agree. The movies revolved around a redpill who was almost like a god figure in the Matrix and to a certain extent even out of it in the final film. Therefore we should be able to fight multiple Programs/Bluepills as Collbard stated but if 2 equal leveled Redpills come together it should be a long drawn out battle.

Also there will always be experienced and better fighters within a bunch of 50s who may be able to take on a group of other opponents. For instance taking on a level 50 Sniper and MA will be easy for an IL gunman if you can take out the sniper in IL first and then take out the MA.




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There might not be lot of redpill vs redpill action in the movies but that was before there were so many redpills.  You do however get to see redpills fighting groups of exiles and large groups of security guards.  Also, martial arts is a central theme of the movies (to verying degrees in each) and many martial arts styles involve techniques for handling multiple opponents. 



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Please don't pull the "THE MOVIES ARE JUST LIKE THE GAME" card. It never makes sense to compare the two, and it will never make sense.


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Zudrag wrote:
TimeMaker wrote:
Because this is the Matrix and we "believe" we can, therefore we can.

But they too believe they can beat you.

So...
Zerg usually wins, unless its an incompetent zerg. Still, i kinda agree there should be something to help out the minority sometimes. Especially MA minorities. They can;t even snipe for decent damage without stat hacking.



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Brommerz77 wrote:
Zudrag wrote:
TimeMaker wrote:
Because this is the Matrix and we "believe" we can, therefore we can.

But they too believe they can beat you.

So...
Zerg usually wins, unless its an incompetent zerg. Still, i kinda agree there should be something to help out the minority sometimes. Especially MA minorities. They can;t even snipe for decent damage without stat hacking.
I'm 100% certain that MAs can't snipe for ANY damage even with stat hacking.


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Pylat wrote:
PS, you can easily close the "Team" window and have team members off screen killing those people for you, just saying.
Oh no, he really did do that.  I've watched him do it in Mara a few times as well.

Either way, as for the OP's idea? No, besides what we have for buffs this would be ridiculous.  Not only would something like that require a lot of work on the part of devs that don't exist, all operatives within the Matrix are supposed to be of equal strength; so seeing as one should have just as much a chance to kill you as you them, two SHOULD kill you easily.


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I don't think there needs to be "catch up mode" like in children's multi-player car racing games.

If an experienced and confident player meets with two level 50's they have never heard of, the two level 50's are in a world of trouble. I don't believe in level cap of 50, equipment/experience/confidence can make a level 50 into a lvl 60.

With CR2 I have seen 2 win against 7, in CR1 I have seen 1 against 7 hold out for a very long time killing most of them. It's not the norm but it is within reach.




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Natasha768 wrote:
I don't think there needs to be "catch up mode" like in children's multi-player car racing games.

If an experienced and confident player meets with two level 50's they have never heard of, the two level 50's are in a world of trouble. I don't believe in level cap of 50, equipment/experience/confidence can make a level 50 into a lvl 60.

With CR2 I have seen 2 win against 7, in CR1 I have seen 1 against 7 hold out for a very long time killing most of them. It's not the norm but it is within reach.

I highly doubt 2 people who stood their ground against 7 have survived for more than 30 seconds, let alone kill 3 of the other guys.


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The Leo wrote:
I highly doubt 2 people who stood their ground against 7 have survived for more than 30 seconds, let alone kill 3 of the other guys.

Not unless they had about 4 of every piece of clothing SMILEY

 
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