How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.

KanoR

This isn't a question about the intruders.

So, Zion is located in America right?
So how do they know Japan, or Eurasia, etc don't have remaining cities? Are there power fields in these locations? They referrence Heathrow Airport in the movie, so there's obviously cities other than MegaCity. Do operatives that need to work in Japan just jack in there?

Croesis · 10/09/2008 08:15:45

Simply, we don't, and is Zion in America? The original Machine city was located in Africa or somewhere like that I believe, isolated from the rest of the world. If it's the same city as the Machine city now, then Zion would be located in the same area.

The only information about other known Human cities that Zion could have gotten is from the Machines themselves or proofless theories and the Machines may have been providing false data. It's the same way we don't know if there are any other simulations/fields Machine cities on different continents around the planet.

As for the Heathrow reference, that's all it was. The simulation has to give the impression of a global society, this includes areas outside of the city. Although why they made up a new city when there were plenty to choose from in that era is a bit strange.

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

Zion is supposed to be located down near the center of the Earth. Kinda hard to measure where it will be on the surface from there. X3

But yeah, in the movies they tend to move their hovercrafts around to get to different locations in the city without moving physically (digitally?) through the city itself, as far as I could tell.

KanoR

I just assumed America because a lot of people have referenced MegaCity to Chicago's skyline.

So we know for a fact MegaCity is the ONLY city in the simulation? Does this mean there could be multiple instances of MegaCity? I highly doubt they have billions of people in one city SMILEY

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Croesis · 10/09/2008 05:58:29

I thought they moved their Hovercraft to get the best broadcast signal they could at the time. Location in the real shouldn't affect location in the simulation. Hence Neo meeting Seraph in Int (presumably) and going through the white halls to Debir court without the hovercraft having to move.

As for the skyline, the simulation itself is meant to imitate an American city sure enough but that doesn't necessarily mean that the simulation or Zion is located on/under American soil.

**Asna** · 10/09/2008 07:04:13

If the Machine City = 01, and 01 was built in the middle east (Iraq?), doesn't it follow that Zion and New Zion are somewhere beneath there? We know that they can only hack into the Matrix's signal once they reach a certain depth ("broadcast depth") so proximity to the real-world servers is definitely a factor.

/as

Edit: gah, smiley attack.

**Gerik**

Zero One was in Saudi Arabia I think and if that was the city Neo and Trinity went to in Revolutions, then I'm guessing Zion wasn't too far from it.

**Asna**

Gerik wrote:

Zero One was in Saudi Arabia I think and if that was the city Neo and Trinity went to in Revolutions, then I'm guessing Zion wasn't too far from it.

Right, cause they showed in Animatrix the Machines taking captured soldiers back to 01 to experiment on them. It makes sense that the fields would be fairly close to 01, and the tunnels leading down to Zion started there.

I was thinking Iraq cause I remember at some point they referenced 01 being built in the "cradle of human civilization" which I took to mean Mesopotamia.

/as

**MatrixRefugee** · 10/09/2008 08:16:04

Gerik wrote:

Zero One was in Saudi Arabia I think and if that was the city Neo and Trinity went to in Revolutions, then I'm guessing Zion wasn't too far from it.

Yep, there's that bit in "The Animatrix: Second Rennaissance" where a workman is cleaning the brass map outside the UN building and a fly lands on the map in the middle of Saudia Arabia, whereupon the workman smooshes the fly: shivery little bit of understated symbolism there.

I'm guessing Zion is somewhere within a hovercraft flight of a few hours from Zero-One, so... perhaps it's under Jerusalem. Would make sense, since Zion is the biblical name for the hill it's built on, and that name is also used in the Bible as an alternate name for Jerusalem.

**ArchDuke**

Asna wrote:

Gerik wrote:
Zero One was in Saudi Arabia I think and if that was the city Neo and Trinity went to in Revolutions, then I'm guessing Zion wasn't too far from it.
Right, cause they showed in Animatrix the Machines taking captured soldiers back to 01 to experiment on them. It makes sense that the fields would be fairly close to 01, and the tunnels leading down to Zion started there.

I was thinking Iraq cause I remember at some point they referenced 01 being built in the "cradle of human civilization" which I took to mean Mesopotamia.

/as

Yeah, you're right Asna. Also, in The Second Renaissance there is a scene where a fly (symbolizing the fledgeling Machine civilization) lands on the UN map and a janitor (representing Man's intentions) squashes it.

I believe 01 is there, and that Zion is probably dozens of miles away and very deep below the surface.

But to answer OP's question, we don't know. We only truly know what the Machines have told us and what little we've stolen from their mainframes. The revelation of the Oligarch settlement threw me for a loop. I think it's very likely the Machines have other locations where they keep humans alive, possibly controlled by another iteration of the Matrix entirely. Also, it's possible some humans could've survived the war and established colonies underground. We won't know for sure until Rarebit decides to explore that option.

**Roukan**

Vinia wrote:

I thought they moved their Hovercraft to get the best broadcast signal they could at the time. Location in the real shouldn't affect location in the simulation. Hence Neo meeting Seraph in Int (presumably) and going through the white halls to Debir court without the hovercraft having to move.

It was a much better reception from the hovercraft at certain spots. They must have been using T-Mobile.

**Asna**

Hovercraft can't move with people jacked in anyway, at least not in the movies. I remember a line from Morpheus after having set the Neb down, along the lines of "repatch the main AC to the hard drives and stand by to broadcast."

I gathered from that that a hovercraft can either broadcast, or travel, but doesn't have enough power to do both at the same time.

Hover-BARGES on the other hand may be different altogether. But even so I wouldn't expect they'd move around too much while people are jacked in .. what would happen to those people if the signal was dropped, even for a few moments? Wouldn't they just fall down dead?

/as

**Gerik**

Asna wrote:

Hovercraft can't move with people jacked in anyway, at least not in the movies. I remember a line from Morpheus after having set the Neb down, along the lines of "repatch the main AC to the hard drives and stand by to broadcast."

I gathered from that that a hovercraft can either broadcast, or travel, but doesn't have enough power to do both at the same time.

Hover-BARGES on the other hand may be different altogether. But even so I wouldn't expect they'd move around too much while people are jacked in .. what would happen to those people if the signal was dropped, even for a few moments? Wouldn't they just fall down dead?

/as

Ah, but what about The Final Flight of The Osiris? Pretty sure they were still flying while the asian chick was jacked in.

**GamiSB** · 10/09/2008 12:08:33

Just to fix a minor miss assumption. Zero One is not the Machine City.

In the commentary given by the director of The Second Renaissance he says that 01 was destroyed by the nuclear bombing. The Machine city could be located in the same area but the name is unknown as the only canonl reference we have been given is "The Machine City".

**Phoenix_Dfire**

But here is something that might 'Bake you're noodle' !!

As Zion has been rebuilt six times, can you believe anything that is really said in the Archives from the Animatrix?

It's a nice little way for people to change the cannon at a moment's notice.