The real problem i have with this entire ordeal isn't what happened, it's that rarebit didn't say boo about it, just literally decided without even clarifying why he was excluding a player who had done nothing but meet the expectations asked of any operative willing to attend.
Rarebit could only assume that he would have been trouble without actually knowing it - thus making it an unfair bias that in the very least should have been explained. Instead he told us he was sorting it out and not actually doing anything about the problem - much like his usual approach to the dilemmas in this game, moreover the response from GM's being that not everyone will get to attend them is completely nullified when other people are invited in spite of this person being ignored.
Contrary to what people believe and know about alts and or spies, the truth of the matter is that if a player meets the in game standards to be included, there is no reason for them to be excluded. This is of course the same methodology used in all the events i've been to where in which there has been random no level nothing spies present that were of course treated equally and fairly. Ultimately this new and present bias is completely rediculous considering how people with regular names usually act at these meetings.
The concept that there was no warning, explanation or conversation - just downright ignoring and lying about it, is insulting to the community. I don't like spies at events, especially random lowbie alts, but if there's something i like even less it's hypocritical elitism - all or nothing, this elective middle ground can't be applied sometimes and not others, and i think it's absolute B S that this is supposed to be ok.
As per usual if nobody knows about it, nothing bad happened, thats the mxo success mentality.
Wonder why mxo hasn't been doing so well.
from what i read he was just giving his opinion to the new org meetings and the lack of participation he was given to it. No where in the requirements for the meeting did it say reasonable char name required. and may i suggest in future if this is to be the case it is mentioned before hand. He was a lvl 6 operative with machine rep and was at the location at the correct time which is more that some machine operatives managed. I have a machine alt on syntax so i attended with an old character of mine and witnessed odj's exclusion even though another machine operative told rarebit a number of times that he was waiting. To top it off a number of machines arrived late and got teleported with odj standing there.
odj wrote:
Vinia wrote:Indeed, in fact I don't think it will be too long before a Mod prunes this thread back on topic.My topic is about the meeting, please direct me to a more appropriate thread.
Vinia wrote:
Indeed, in fact I don't think it will be too long before a Mod prunes this thread back on topic.
My topic is about the meeting, please direct me to a more appropriate thread.
You're complaining about being excluded from the meeting, something that should be done in PM's something that I believe Brewko was wrong about. But seeing as you've done so, we'll wait and see what Rarebit or a Mod has to say. Until then It's useless and pointless to continue in a thread which is an opportunity for a discussion about what was said in the meeting.
GreyMountain wrote:
eval wrote:Again, because Rarebit probably had a feeling that the character would cause some kind of trouble/would be counter-productive to the LE.He shouldn't pre-empt on gut feeling. He has admin powers. He could have kicked the character at any given time had he been a trouble-maker. But no, he excluded Odj before a word even sprang from his mouth. Just because someone has a feeling about something doesn't make them right. The person first needs to do something to confirm the belief before action is taken.
eval wrote:
Again, because Rarebit probably had a feeling that the character would cause some kind of trouble/would be counter-productive to the LE.
He shouldn't pre-empt on gut feeling. He has admin powers. He could have kicked the character at any given time had he been a trouble-maker. But no, he excluded Odj before a word even sprang from his mouth. Just because someone has a feeling about something doesn't make them right. The person first needs to do something to confirm the belief before action is taken.
Probably because the account with the character has a past history of seemingly disrupting events?
I, for one, would like to know where in the Terms of Service or whatever it says he can't exclude you. Perhaps you can enlighten me on it's location?
my thoughts on the meetings are FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL sorry no offense rarebit but this has to be the most stupiedest things to happen to mxo. for the love of god dump the meetings and bring back live events i honestly see this killing the game even more
Remixermike wrote:
So you didn't like it because there was no combat involved and it was just talking?
Rarebit does not have to do these. He is doing these out of his own choice and time. He therefore has the ability to disclude someone from them if he feels they have a chance to cause trouble. If you were really interested in the meeting, you should of came on a character with a respectable name, instead of the approach you took which gave Rarebit your intention.
Remixermike wrote:my thoughts on the meetings are FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL sorry no offense rarebit but this has to be the most stupiedest things to happen to mxo. for the love of god dump the meetings and bring back live events i honestly see this killing the game even moreSo you didn't like it because there was no combat involved and it was just talking?
i didnt like it becuase it was nothing but a loop around the same subject for the whole time i was there and its horriable replacement for the good old real liveevents that gave me something to look forward to in the game.
Being there from the start I was happy with it, it alluded some answers and got people thinking about what we're gonna be up against next. Yes there was the usual lot of questions not a lot of answers, but from any meeting where a lot of people want to go down different avenues of explanations, it's to be expected. I thought it was handled quite well tbh.
Rarebit can do what he wants, when he wants, as long as he doesn't break the game. Maybe you should just deal.Hell, I wouldn't have let in anyone with a name made up by smashing your head against the keyboard either.EDIT: Oh, and I wasn't there, but I heard nothing but good things.
Why are you trying to cause trouble where there doesn't need to be trouble caused? You're just going to dig your hole even deeper.
"These meetings are designed to be open discussions between operatives and their organization leader(s) about the organization's direction and goals. Do not bring spam macros or a hostile agenda. Disruptive operatives will be removed from the meeting and not invited back."
Showing up for a meeting with an absolutely thoughtless name just after having been booted from said meeting for sneaking past org door locks is not a good idea. I will not be bringing people who really don't look like they're there to be a constructive part of the proceedings, because to do so would be a disservice to those who are. Have more consideration for the rest of the group and you won't fall into these misunderstandings.
I think the meeting went rather well. Well done, Master Bit! I certainly seemed to get a few responses, so I'm happy. And it looks like Rare had a good reason for ignoring he who was ignored, so I shan't complain about that.Still, it was just a meeting. I hope there will be more events than just the meetings. There probably will be, but not announced quite like these were.
Rarebit wrote:
"These meetings are designed to be open discussions between operatives and their organization leader(s) about the organization's direction and goals. Do not bring spam macros or a hostile agenda. Disruptive operatives will be removed from the meeting and not invited back."Showing up for a meeting with an absolutely thoughtless name just after having been booted from said meeting for sneaking past org door locks is not a good idea. I will not be bringing people who really don't look like they're there to be a constructive part of the proceedings, because to do so would be a disservice to those who are. Have more consideration for the rest of the group and you won't fall into these misunderstandings.
My character was a member of the organisation in question and brought no spam macros or hostile agenda.
I explained my character name and the reason behind it, just because you think it is thoughtless does not mean it is.
The character was not booted from the meeting, odj3 was, and he did not 'sneak passed the door locks' he jacked into the area to make a point of how stupid it is to advertise the location of a org meeting weeks before it happens.
Rejecting people on how they appear is grossly innapropriate, as stated earlier if someone begins to be disruptive you can immediately remove them, why reject someone who appears to be innapropirate when they could be a valuble RP character. Judging a book by its cover is terrible.
More consideration for the group? Thats laughable. Just laughable.
