GQubed wrote:
I find it the most amusing that people get mad about a thread discussing a subject that may or may not happen ever... I would love to find this kind of passion discussion the philosophy behind the system and Plato's cave, however the option isn't there anymore, for me atleast. The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left.
"May or may not happen ever" ? It won't ever happen because there is no one at SOE who knows how to do it. That's why this thread should be closed.
Please, do start a thread about the philosophies behind the Matrix (like the Plato's Cave allegory) and I'll be happy to post, and urge people to watch "The Roots of the Matrix" documentaries and listen to the commentaries by Dr. Cornel West and Ken Wilber for more insight and material about those topics.
The logic behind a non-merge is that it's not possible and can't happen. No foolishness or selfishness there at all, just plain and simple provable fact, backed by the official word from Walrus, Virrago and 9mmfu.
I agree with you that we should do anything possible to "get this game going again for as long as we have left." We'll have to find ways to do that without a merge, as we have been given a clear answer about it. There are ways to get this game going again without a merge: let's find them and implement them.
Gerik wrote:
Mindsweep wrote:CraftyZee wrote:GQubed wrote:I find it the most amusing that people get mad about a thread discussing a subject that may or may not happen ever... I would love to find this kind of passion discussion the philosophy behind the system and Plato's cave, however the option isn't there anymore, for me atleast. The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left.<3 Indeed. Let's see if we can hit 40 pages now..i know we can do it.Yeah, we can do it, for reals!
Mindsweep wrote:
CraftyZee wrote:GQubed wrote:I find it the most amusing that people get mad about a thread discussing a subject that may or may not happen ever... I would love to find this kind of passion discussion the philosophy behind the system and Plato's cave, however the option isn't there anymore, for me atleast. The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left.<3 Indeed. Let's see if we can hit 40 pages now..i know we can do it.
CraftyZee wrote:
GQubed wrote:I find it the most amusing that people get mad about a thread discussing a subject that may or may not happen ever... I would love to find this kind of passion discussion the philosophy behind the system and Plato's cave, however the option isn't there anymore, for me atleast. The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left.<3
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Indeed. Let's see if we can hit 40 pages now..i know we can do it.
Yeah, we can do it, for reals!
Haha that reminds me of Rob Schneiders 'You can do 'eet!' cameo from 'The Waterboy'
PS10N wrote:
GQubed wrote:I find it the most amusing that people get mad about a thread discussing a subject that may or may not happen ever... I would love to find this kind of passion discussion the philosophy behind the system and Plato's cave, however the option isn't there anymore, for me atleast. The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left."May or may not happen ever" ? It won't ever happen because there is no one at SOE who knows how to do it. That's why this thread should be closed. Please, do start a thread about the philosophies behind the Matrix (like the Plato's Cave allegory) and I'll be happy to post, and urge people to watch "The Roots of the Matrix" documentaries and listen to the commentaries by Dr. Cornel West and Ken Wilber for more insight and material about those topics.The logic behind a non-merge is that it's not possible and can't happen. No foolishness or selfishness there at all, just plain and simple provable fact, backed by the official word from Walrus, Virrago and 9mmfu. I agree with you that we should do anything possible to "get this game going again for as long as we have left." We'll have to find ways to do that without a merge, as we have been given a clear answer about it. There are ways to get this game going again without a merge: let's find them and implement them.
I agree wholeheartedly with you there PS10N.
well when this post started the game certainly wasnt in this state, it was the begining of what we have now, what you are saying about "this thread should be closed because we dont have...blah blah"sounds comformist, and also sends a clear message...if a merge cant be done, a character transfer either, and all developement ideas that are posted in this section is a waste of time, cause anything cant be done...no new updates, no new nothing, well then im the first to say that not only they should close this thread but they should close all developement roundtable and just make a bug report section, because if youre right PS1on, then its all a waste of time posting in the roundtable and hoping for improvements.
There's always a flood of great ideas, suggestions and questions from the community, which we get no response about and, really, we don't expect to ever get any response about them. But still we post them because, even if nothing is ever done, it's still nice to let a good idea out into the world rather than it just run around the hamster wheel in your mind.
The merge idea has been supported by some, shouted down by others, and has been clearly answered by the powers that be. As we move past it, here is hoping they will answer some of the ideas and suggestions currently on the Development Roundtable and similar forums, and address the good ideas which should continue to be posted there.
Dear PS1ON:
"the facts disprove those pushing their personal prejudices and totally invalidating the lie that "Recursion (or MxO) is dead"
" There is a group of players that has been running a smear campaign of lies against Recursion since before the Assassin('s) Mask scam and this is just the continuation of that false agenda. They would like nothing better than to see Recursion die, especially if their lies help it to happen. These people have been telling their deceptions and spreading misleading information for a long time now; it's long past time for someone to stand up and call them on it.
One thing is to express or to even promote your events or whatever it is you are doing, but another is calling other people Liars or that we mislead the population by saying RECURSION IS A DEAD ZONE. I am the one that started this thread, and Im not misleading nor saying a false statement (nor the people who think like me), its just the plain harsh truth. Thats why, lots of recursionites are now playing on Syntax. This is not a "syntax people just hang at Mara C, and Recursionites do more rp" discussion... Even if you have 15 people online to do a 1 hour event (to be generous), doesnt mean you have a populated server. If im not mistaken and my Station Launcher lies to me, Recursion its always on LOW. Honestly, I dont even know why you feel so strongly about people with different opinions and say "this thread should be closed" just cause you say so or think you have the Holy Grail. And as you say in one of your posts on this "dead horse thread": "Variety is the spice of life, conformity is death." So no, I dont feel I have to conform and stop saying what i think just cause you dont wanna read it.
And just to quote some of your posts:
"Well, from what I can understand of this around the lack of punctuation, grammar and spelling, it's just an ignorant rant to support a personal, prejudicial bias that is disproven by the fact that there are dozens of people having fun on Recursion every day."
I dont recommend judging people by the way they write, cause as you know, not everyone on sweet planet Earth have English for primary language. (You know, like in REAL LIFE)
"Certainly no one should be denied the CHOICE to post on any thread about its topic"
Then why you said it should be closed? Let us post ... even if its irrelevant to you, as your posts are to many of us. And YES, we saw already your pictures on your avatar.
"Recursion is dead" is just a lame attempt by some Syntaxians to boost their own server population and convince themselves that their elitism is somehow backed by actual fact, or that there is some real difference between the servers.
I am from Recursion, and yeah, its dead.
Stop taking it as a server battle, and just try to see it as an opinion of some people that wish to improve (from their point of views) the game they play. I love Recursion, I have lots of good friends there, but like some, I wished to play on a more populated server. My intention isnt to sound harsh, but this post has the same tone as yours. Now, go and ask PinkPixie if she wouldn't want the same?
Avath wrote:
How dare you go against server consensus?!
Anyway, with 9mmfu and Dracomet both working on other projects I very much doubt that a 'flood of great ideas and suggestions' will be looked at so there is little point, in my opinion, in keeping a development roundtable forum open.
"Certainly no one should be denied the CHOICE to post on any thread about its topic"Then why you said it should be closed? Let us post ... even if its irrelevant to you, as your posts are to many of us. And YES, we saw already your pictures on your avatar.
Plus your kungfu pose looks more like a wounded bird than anything.
Dear PS1ON:"the facts disprove those pushing their personal prejudices and totally invalidating the lie that "Recursion (or MxO) is dead"" There is a group of players that has been running a smear campaign of lies against Recursion since before the Assassin('s) Mask scam and this is just the continuation of that false agenda. They would like nothing better than to see Recursion die, especially if their lies help it to happen. These people have been telling their deceptions and spreading misleading information for a long time now; it's long past time for someone to stand up and call them on it.One thing is to express or to even promote your events or whatever it is you are doing, but another is calling other people Liars or that we mislead the population by saying RECURSION IS A DEAD ZONE. I am the one that started this thread, and Im not misleading nor saying a false statement (nor the people who think like me), its just the plain harsh truth. Thats why, lots of recursionites are now playing on Syntax. This is not a "syntax people just hang at Mara C, and Recursionites do more rp" discussion... Even if you have 15 people online to do a 1 hour event (to be generous), doesnt mean you have a populated server. If im not mistaken and my Station Launcher lies to me, Recursion its always on LOW. Honestly, I dont even know why you feel so strongly about people with different opinions and say "this thread should be closed" just cause you say so or think you have the Holy Grail. And as you say in one of your posts on this "dead horse thread": "Variety is the spice of life, conformity is death." So no, I dont feel I have to conform and stop saying what i think just cause you dont wanna read it. And just to quote some of your posts:"Well, from what I can understand of this around the lack of punctuation, grammar and spelling, it's just an ignorant rant to support a personal, prejudicial bias that is disproven by the fact that there are dozens of people having fun on Recursion every day."I dont recommend judging people by the way they write, cause as you know, not everyone on sweet planet Earth have English for primary language. (You know, like in REAL LIFE)"Certainly no one should be denied the CHOICE to post on any thread about its topic"Then why you said it should be closed? Let us post ... even if its irrelevant to you, as your posts are to many of us. And YES, we saw already your pictures on your avatar."Recursion is dead" is just a lame attempt by some Syntaxians to boost their own server population and convince themselves that their elitism is somehow backed by actual fact, or that there is some real difference between the servers.I am from Recursion, and yeah, its dead.Stop taking it as a server battle, and just try to see it as an opinion of some people that wish to improve (from their point of views) the game they play. I love Recursion, I have lots of good friends there, but like some, I wished to play on a more populated server. My intention isnt to sound harsh, but this post has the same tone as yours. Now, go and ask PinkPixie if she wouldn't want the same?
I agree, and although I appreciate PS10N's passion for Recursion, I'm back to my original viewpoint I had several months ago when this thread was started (not that I changed my opinion but I've been bouncing different alternatives people have given over here in my mind).
Basically, my thinking is that if SOE is serious about keeping this game running, as a "Legacy" or "Attic" game, at a certain point I think it would behoove them to merge the two nonhostile servers. Even though it would require a temporary allocation of developer(s), it would save them money in the long run by not having the expense of a third server and it would retain more players than if they did nothing and let Recursion wither and die.
So the bottom line is, how serious is SOE as far as keeping this as a Legacy game? If theyre not, I don't see the point of having a game in six months that has a total of ten or twenty players total. They'd have to shut it down.....and lose the distinction of never have shutting a game down before. Otherwise it would be like a town that keeps spending big money to keep an Aquarium open that has no fish in it
It makes no sense. Oh well, we'll see what happens.
Villemar_MxO wrote:
Basically, my thinking is that if SOE is serious about keeping this game running, as a "Legacy" or "Attic" game, at a certain point I think it would behoove them to merge the two nonhostile servers. Even though it would require a temporary allocation of developer(s), it would save them money in the long run by not having the expense of a third server and it would retain more players than if they did nothing and let Recursion wither and die.So the bottom line is, how serious is SOE as far as keeping this as a Legacy game? If theyre not, I don't see the point of having a game in six months that has a total of ten or twenty players total. They'd have to shut it down.....and lose the distinction of never have shutting a game down before. Otherwise it would be like a town that keeps spending big money to keep an Aquarium open that has no fish in it It makes no sense. Oh well, we'll see what happens.
It makes no sense in terms of the buisness world yes. I can see where your coming from but the problem lies within the technical aspect of the problem and it won't be solved by a temporary allocation of devs.
Quite simply it's not a simple matter of copy and paste. There are rules set down to have a normalized database which I'm not going to go into because.... it's beyond a good 80% of people on this forum. Certain bits have to be picked out of the database to be transfered. Now Rarebit has been working on MxO for as long as I can remember and he's stated before now that he's only scratched the surface of the actual coding of MxO. At the end of the day the only way it's going to happen is if a bunch of devs reverse engineered the coding behind the game which I'm going to assume they can't because of some legal BS put in place by either WB or Monolith.
Even if the game was reverse engineered the launcher would also have to be updated to reflect the change. The custom type created for each server in the database would have to change also to accomodate the fact that the new merged server would have 6 character slots which then requires that all the data in the new server be re-ordered to accommodate that.
In the end it's a lot of sweat and graft that SOE would need to put in to actually make this happen. Assuming that WB and Monolith allow them to.
I'm not saying that a merge is a bad idea, far from it. However what I'm saying is currently technical and legal issues will probably mean that the idea isn't going to work.
True. Though I really would like a Merge, I know it probably never happen. I guess all we can do is try to have fun with what we have.... till we get really tired of it or they shut down the game.
Im sure this isnt a new idea... but given the circunstances Im posting it today. Im from Recursion, and its sad to see it always on Low, its almost dead, same few people. I made a new character on syntax, since its the only server (I know vector sometimes too) that reaches Medium. A lot of people from Recursion I know are doing the same, and we all feel the same way: "They should merge Syntax and Recursion". That way we can have our main characters together and do better RP, or involve more in the game. Whats the use of having a server on Low anyway? It would be fair for many people like me that have their main character on Recursion. Thanks for reading.
Im sure this isnt a new idea... but given the circunstances Im posting it today. Im from Recursion, and its sad to see it always on Low, its almost dead, same few people. I made a new character on syntax, since its the only server (I know vector sometimes too) that reaches Medium. A lot of people from Recursion I know are doing the same, and we all feel the same way: "They should merge Syntax and Recursion". That way we can have our main characters together and do better RP, or involve more in the game. Whats the use of having a server on Low anyway? It would be fair for many people like me that have their main character on Recursion.
Thanks for reading.
I agree.
At this rate a Server merge is key.
All I have to say is that I'm looking for a better job, and I've messed with enough MMO emus and a leaked RO server software and programming to say I ain't scared of no DB. Now to be honest, unless Monolith devs were sniffing paint and actually did install a laser grid around source, updating the launcher to support additional character slots shouldn't be difficult. The only mildly difficult part would've be automating a merge process. Concepts and designs of MMO databases are similar with unique parts, but you always have an account database, character databases (and subdbs for those). Its like reading Engrish, you kinda have an idea of what's going on but you might scratch your head here or there.
I for one don't want to see the Servers Merge.
The problem with the player base at the moment is nobody is coming into the game, a little while ago i re-activated my account to come and since i have, i've joined a friendly faction of people that live in my country and do fun stuff.
On the side they have been really helpful from my past factions that i've had.
The problem i had with this game was that there were so many factions, you couldn't really pick and the servers were so bloody laggy when Recursion hit Full during the Assassin event i couldn't even play once, because the lag was horrible.
I'm really enjoying these low player based servers, it means we are more open to pvp and hang out with people, anyway there is still lots of pvp around on Recursion and the other servers seem to be coping.
On the side guys look at it this way, the only way that SOE will get players back into this game is to offer out another free trial, believe or not people will come flocking to it and then if it interests them they will want to play more, My friends used to hate this game because of the terrible lag and full servers. Now that its low player schemed, i've managed to get 3 of my friends signed onto the matrix online and ready to kick arse.
I vote against the server merge :_)
Back when the Family and Friends Free trial came out, it was a new thing and it was heavily advertised. Now anyone can get a free 14 day trial at any time. I think it's barely advertised, but i don't pay any attention to Station games outside MxO. And the advertising aspect is a whole nother thread.
You make a good point of having the servers on low and no lag. If we merge and Mara C turns everyone's meter red on approach, we'll all complain about that next.
