It's not too late, you know. You can still return home, to Zion. To stand before the Temple and bask in what it means to be human. Home. . .

Eww....no caves and slop and bare feet for me. 

Illyria22 wrote:

I will not return to worship Neo; I will not worship humanity.  That is hubris of the worst sort.

 

Illyria

Precisely.  Let's not make that same mistake again.

Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:

Your Machine masters, on the other hand, are a different matter. The only peace that 01 is interested in is the kind that comes with the complete and unconditional subjugation of the entire human race.

And, as I've said many times before, their actions with Cryptos, Moon Avatar, and the others that Seraph has been 'exorcising' goes to proving that truth.

It's not too late, you know. You can still return home, to Zion. To stand before the Temple and bask in what it means to be human. Home. . .

Shi, you have to look at it from their perspective.  To them, we are unpredictable and uncontrollable.  To finer point, I wouldn't be surprised if many of the sentient lives in 01 were around when the sky was blackened.  At this point in human history we have not given them adequate reason to trust us.  We are capable of deceit, malice and treachery. 

Let me ask you this:

If you knew that someone on your hovercraft was possibly cypheric, would you not keep an eye on them?  Would you trust them?  Would you not want to keep them under a measure of control to protect yourself and the rest of your crew?  What would you do?

It's the same analogy with the machines, imo.

And I appreciate your invitation to return to Zion but I cannot accept.  As you have already noted, we left Zion because we believe there is another way to work for peace.  We haven't forsaken Zion.  We have only forsaken ourselves for the greater good of us all. 

No one ever said they had to trust us. The problem is that this goes beyond just trusting, the machines are useing people, takeing away there lives and implanting there own without there concest or agreement.

Its one thing to not trust someone, its another to take away there rights as liveing beings.

When I see the word 'temple', it suggests worship.

I think the only way I'd stand before that temple would be if I were about to be sacrificed in it! 

Illyria

No one ever said they had to trust us. The problem is that this goes beyond just trusting, the machines are useing people, takeing away there lives and implanting there own without there concest or agreement.

Its one thing to not trust someone, its another to take away there rights as liveing beings.

But it begins with trust.  Once we trust each other, we have no need to employ the use of spies.  We know you have yours and now you know we have them.  It's all the ingredients of a cold war.  But we can end that by GIVING each other reasons to trust each other.

Or am I wrong?

GamiSB wrote:

No one ever said they had to trust us. The problem is that this goes beyond just trusting, the machines are useing people, takeing away there lives and implanting there own without there concest or agreement.

Its one thing to not trust someone, its another to take away there rights as liveing beings.

But it begins with trust.  Once we trust each other, we have no need to employ the use of spies.  We know you have yours and now you know we have them.  It's all the ingredients of a cold war.  But we can end that by GIVING each other reasons to trust each other.

Or am I wrong?

No not at all. It's just that Zion has been trying to get the machines to trust them since the start of this mess but as every day ends it becomes apparent that we can't. Neo for instance, all Morpheus wanted was to know about his friend but the Machines couldn't do that small thing. Then there were the Cypherites. Rather then just leaving the issue to Zion or 01 informing the council about its concerns of the increased rate of awakenings they created an organization that has now resulted in attacking Zion directly and has become the Machines little black ops unit.

Trust is only formed after creating a relationship and right Zion and 01 are so far apart from each other it's like east and west. If the two can create a medium, come up with more then just a truce for living  together in the real and actually help each other out then trust can be formed and half the problems we have today could be fixed.

Awhile back I petitioned for the Machines and Zion to both work together in the field of awakenings. Installing a way for all humans to be able to take red or blue but making sure that if they choose to they were fully evaluated and knew what they were getting into. It carries the machine efficiently of that I could guess 99% after taking red would love it and it opens up the real to every human not just 1%.

The same could be done in the real, Zion and Machine forming a way for humans tired of the real to return to the Matrix, heck maybe even a way for freeborns to be given a way to as well.

By working together man and machine can come to peace and form trust. But the Machines need to stop forcing man into it and rather then making them and threatening man while trying to get there way, just simply asking them and gaining there trust.

So has Cryptos died? This is the question. But they have Veil too. THe Cypherites force is still active.

Whoah seriously Cryptos has the strangest eyes i have ever seen, Yellow eyes by the looks of it.

At least The Machines no longer have any Overwritten People around anymore

Veil is still alive, and we're unknown about Cryptos. 

I predict that if the program that was in Cryptos can't be stabilized, or if it was completely extracted, Veil will kill him.

Illyria

MetaLogic wrote:

Veil is still alive, and we're unknown about Cryptos. 

I predict that if the program that was in Cryptos can't be stabilized, or if it was completely extracted, Veil will kill him.

 

Illyria

MetaLogic wrote:

Veil is still alive, and we're unknown about Cryptos. 

I predict that if the program that was in Cryptos can't be stabilized, or if it was completely extracted, Veil will kill him.

 

Illyria