I don't need to sit here and take this - Recursion - 5/16/06

**RetroX**

The choices that were made could be related to him rejecting the system. His sub consious yes it involved others but if there all connected what is to say someone cannot control another choice while in the matrix? The matrix has many secrets I doubteven the machines know everything about their creation which could involve those who reject the system affecting those closest to them... if the vote is run by the system and the system ditects him not beliving it could be way of purging the "unbelieve" as it were. How can you ask where the bluepill is you did not let the conversation get to the point of choice ...he already knew about the dream Anome was asking him about reality.

**Midnight**

Misfit1 wrote:

RogueA wrote:
I still would like to remind you all that Anome did not offer the man a choice. He basically said "Here, take this pill, it'll make you feel better." Then, he started to get pissed off at us when we offered the man the other side of this so-called choice, when we added in the blue pill. Anome would have been perfectly happy letting the man just swallow a red pill without ever giving him the other side of the equation. That there is dirty recruitment tactics.

Really? Because it seems to me like you guys barged in before the conversation really even got started.

According to eyewitnesses Robert was in fact running AWAY from the whole situation but reading the transcripts it is very clear that the last few minutes of his life was nothing but bombardment of the Cyper and their never ending
(What about your Kids, Your wife? etc) that in itself is too much to handle. YOU are responsible for his death directly.

I have butted heads with Anome many times but DON'T try to put the blame on him. You say you our support and that your caring etc.. But how in the world can you expect to be respected when everything that comes out of your mouth are lies. You lied about this, what else you lying about..

**Davo**

Just thought this small part deserved a double posting, its funny stuff

Tue May 16 18:36:57 2006 [Area] Davo: Don't let butter fingers here hand you anything. his lies are as awful as his ability to catch

Tue May 16 18:37:14 2006 [Area] Anome: Hey! The General threw it bad!

Tue May 16 18:37:28 2006 [Area] Khursun: That's the excuse they used in high school gym class, Anome.

Tue May 16 18:37:54 2006 [Area] Anome: Pfft. You weren't there, what do you know.

Tue May 16 18:38:19 2006 [Area] Davo: See Robert, even Anome talks about a high school and classes but then he tries to claim them as lies

Tue May 16 18:38:28 2006 [Area] Davo: How can you trust that

Tue May 16 18:38:35 2006 [Area] RobertKendell: That is..true.. but

Message Edited by Davo on 05.20.2006 01:51 PM
Message edited by Davo on 05/20/2006 10:51:37.

**Garu**

I don't care who is directly responsible for his death. That man should have never been targetted for possible extraction to begin with. He was too old by Zion's own rules and accordance. He was too settled to be retrieved.

I will not even comment on how the bluepill was not even mentioned as a choice. This is not within the terms of the truce and does not bode well. Zion is allowed to take those that want out - NOT offer up a red pill to ever Tom and Harry having a bad day.

"We have a rule..."

Then, by all means...follow it.

**Aquatium.**

*sigh*

A needless waste of life. Who was to blame? that is irrelevant, whats important is that we try to control what happened, we need to know why this bluepill was a priority to be freed, maybe you just felt sorry for him Anome. *shrug*, maybe you could have dealt with the cyperites better, better yet you should have called in Zion operatives to help you deal with them, you know how to get hold of me, next time I suggest you do that.

As for the cypherites, they aided to confuse this man, they are also responcible for his death, and its just made my conviction to deal with them even stronger, if that was even possible. Cryptos, I hope you happy with your followers, what a joke.

**Garu**

Aquatium wrote:

As for the cypherites, they aided to confuse this man, they are also responcible for his death, and its just made my conviction to deal with them even stronger, if that was even possible. Cryptos, I hope you happy with your followers, what a joke.

They confused him by reminding him of the life he has and why he shouldn't throw it away. They acted as his inner conscience when Anome was happily trying to take advantage of the man's plight as a reason to take the red pill.

Despite what happened, the man should NEVER have been contacted or even brought into this. His mental state was horribly chaotic and not fit for making proper decisions.

I don't condone Cypherite methods, but I think in this case Zion needs to re-think who is offering red pills to the coppertops.

Anome was wrong and should just stick to parties and mindless drivel.

**Bunnyfit**

Yes, Anome was wrong in some ways, but the fact that the Cypherites are trying to act as if they have no blame in this death is terrible.

AmbrielSyntax

*Picks up a cel phone and calls Flood.....*

Flood, I'm sure you've already heard about this situation with Anome and the Cyphies?.....

*garbled insults from Flood*

I know, this guy is a complete moron. Hey, as long as they're keeping each other busy, we have less to worry about. It's like this Anome guy wants to screw things up.

*Flood laughs*

Alright, talk to you later.

*Flood insults Ambriel*

*Hangs up*

YabunKitsune

It always pays to look both ways before crossing a interseciton. It is a shame though.

Something tells me if it was TC,COS,MCDOE, with the cyph tags over there head when this event went down, the Gates of Heaven would be open to them by all Orgs and faction........

**Asa**

It's clear what was going on. Anome was trying to have a quiet chat with a bluepill who was becoming aware of the system. Who cares how old he was, if he was becoming aware and wanted to be freed he should.

Who says Anome wouldn't have given him a choice. He was going on well until bunch of strange masked men came in and started harassing the bluepill. You say Anome didn't give him a choice. I didn't see any Cypherites offering him a red pill either. You claim Anome didn't even have a bluepill. Prove it. You claim you had a red pill, prove that too.

All you **bleep** Cypherites did was come in, emotionally blackmail him, make a lot of statements that sounded to me like threats against his family, or would to a bluepill. I saw you claim Anome was a drug pusher, something you know full well to be a lie. I saw you chase him out of the bar and down the road while Anome was still far behind cursing your interferance.

You claim he was running away from a scene where he was 'caught red handed.' He was getting away from all the Cypherites who were trying to kill him.

Now all you cowardly masked b*******s, accept that you lied to an innocent man and led to his death, and stop trying to shift the blame onto someone else. Anome may not be perfect, definatly not a saint, but he's a good man. More then any of you will ever be.

Sykin

Hmm... Cypherites driving harmless bluepills who's lives have been
shattered, who have no where else to go inside their hapless prison
without making a simple choice first, to insanity and death.
Interesting.

And Anome... You're not good at calling operations but at least you
know who needs a choice and a door to freedom. For that you have gained
back some of my respect.

**Davo**

where did this post show anything that says this guy was becoming aware. from everything i saw, anome did this on his own and appraoched this guy with a wild tale about how his life was a lie. you werent there. anome was yelling and cursing and trying to rattle this guy. we were just telling him to accept the life he had lived and nothing more. we didnt chase him out of that bar and into the road. he got up and ran out on anome and straight into the street. we were trying to stop him from getting himself hurt and nothing more. either way, i dont need to argue with people that make up their minds on limited information.

Tue May 16 18:33:01 2006 [Area] Barakoa: Take the blue one, and you will have your second chance. Take the red one, and everything that counted for you will be wiped away.

Tue May 16 18:33:21 2006 [Area] Anome: **bleep** it...

and surely shouting this in his face was very calming and didnt cause this man to rush out into traffic...

Tue May 16 18:34:19 2006 [Area] Anome: It's a lie, dude! Your life is a lie!

as opposed to this from our side

Tue May 16 18:35:04 2006 [Area] DragnMastyr: Just take a moment. Deep breaths. And make your choice.

definately sounds like we were not offering choice and telling him to follow his gut and not us. how about some more random quotes and transcripts from that day

Tue May 16 18:24:44 2006 [Area] RobertKendell: i need a moment this is all confusing for me. I'm old you see. Well older then you boys

Tue May 16 18:31:17 2006 [Area] Viraconrida: Robert. It is your choice.

Tue May 16 18:35:16 2006 [Area] Khursun: You're listening to a balding guy in a trench coat who approached you to take a pill while sitting at a bar...

Tue May 16 18:32:53 2006 [Area] RobertKendell: I'm in a **bleep** bad dream. I'm going to wake up and be in my bed.

Tue May 16 18:35:27 2006 [Area] Anome: You can't go back, can you? You're so close to knowing what's been behind all this crap, all your life.

Tue May 16 18:35:56 2006 [Area] RobertKendell: I. am to old.. Oh lord am I'm losing my mind?

Tue May 16 18:36:43 2006 [Area] Anome: Don't do it, Robby. Don't swallow their story again.

Tue May 16 18:37:03 2006 [Area] RobertKendell: You trying to brain wash me?

Tue May 16 18:34:19 2006 [Area] Anome: It's a lie, dude! Your life is a lie!

Tue May 16 18:34:30 2006 [Area] RobertKendell: My life is a lie..

Tue May 16 18:35:27 2006 [Area] Anome: You can't go back, can you? You're so close to knowing what's been behind all this crap, all your life.

Tue May 16 18:35:50 2006 [Area] CYL0N: Anome have you no heart for his family , for his feelings for his children

and after his death

Tue May 16 18:48:17 2006 [Area] Barakoa: Your death will act as a sacrifice to the Cypherite cause. Now we know how senseless Zion is toward humanity. Our mission got a new incitative to continue.

Tue May 16 18:48:19 2006 [Area] CYL0N: we tried, and we will keep trying but this doesn't make it easier

Tue May 16 18:48:20 2006 [Area] DragnMastyr: You were a good man, Robert. May you find peace in your eternal sleep.
Tue May 16 18:48:44 2006 [Area] Claurice: Let's settle the dead and speak to the living, who will tell the family?

Tue May 16 18:48:47 2006 [Area] Barakoa: Let's leave. There's nothing we can do. We can'T stay on the crime scene

Tue May 16 18:48:49 2006 [System] Khursun salutes to RobertKendell.

Tue May 16 18:48:54 2006 [Area] Barakoa: We'll take care of it

Tue May 16 18:48:56 2006 [System] Claurice salutes to RobertKendell.

Message Edited by Davo on 05.20.2006 06:16 PM
Message edited by Davo on 05/20/2006 15:16:45.

**Fen**

Okay, and while you're posting logs... how about the part where Anome pushed the guy into traffic? I still don't see the proof here. I see Cypherites driving a man crazy. As far as offering a choice goes... I didn't exactly see you Maskies offering a redpill, either.

**r3spon5e**

<Nefertani: The pusher is offering you a drug.>

Anome's a drug pusher for offering the redpill but Cypherites aren't for pushing the bluepill?

<CYL0N: That's funny, Anome, anyway Robert let's have us a little chat shall we, Something in the way of prescription drugs maybe>

Smooth non drug pusher intro there CYL0N.

Anome didn't give him a choice but the Cypherites did?

<CYL0N: that is not the question I asked, I asked do you love them, and if the answer is yes, there is no choice>

Way to offer him a choice CYL0N.

Pshaw! This is pathetic squabling. The Cypherites didn't offer him a choice, they drove him mad. Cypherite interference caused the death of a bluepill.

Just another example of how little Machinists value life and understand choice. Any bluepill who wants to be freed can be. That's part of the truce. Where's the part about an age restriction? That's just an old quote from way before the truce was ever established. Even then, there was an exception. Everything changes with time and all rules have exceptions... (of course the exception to exceptions is when it's inconvenient to a Machinist argument).

Once again Zion must clean up the mess Machinists make. The Cypherites are your problem Machinists, they're your brothers and sisters. What will you do about it? Apparently nothing but blame others.

Well this is not about blame. Zion knows what the Cypherites have done and the threat they are. Anome, Tyndall, Merrit and every Zion operative are all absolutely clear on this. Once again Zion will deal with the problems created by a fractious Machine organization.

We should be working together to rid the Matrix of the Merovingian. Instead, he'll be sitting there fortifying his position and strengthening his resources while Zion cleans up the mess of a fractious Machine organization that's busy chasing its own tails.

Machinist chaos FTW! Yeah right...

Walks off into the night shaking head sadly while polishing Lancet...

Message Edited by r3spon5e on 05.20.2006 07:02 PM

I edit everything

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