ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

They could shut down one of the servers. Without merging it into another. That would be worse.

...Recursion or Vector?  I'm pretty sure only 30 active subscribers would be affected.

Phrack wrote:

QuiDormit wrote:

From my understanding, she's not trying to start a riot, she's not trying to tell you to quit, she's not namecalling, but she is telling you to realize that it could definitely be worse.

...How?

[...]

You think things could be worse?  I would like to know how.  If your answer is going to be "They could shut down the game," my next question would be "How would that be any worse?"  At least then we'd have a definitive action from the Powers That Be.  At least then, they'd acknowledge our friggin' presence, if only to give us one last kick to the groin.

I'll concede that having a definitive answer would be more comforting than floating along in space aimlessly.  When you're dealing with a business, that's just not information you'll ever be privvy to.  If a company was going to can one product line at the launch of another (or just can it without any kind of replacement) in say two months, that company isn't going to fly that flag, because that's two months where that product will lose money. 

I'm just saying that we're not going to know well beforehand.  Honestly, we'll be lucky if we know a day beforehand.  Having said that, I think that SOE will keep this game afloat for a while longer.  The costs of keeping this game in its current catatonic state cannot be all that high, and they have more to lose by shutting it down than they have to gain.

I miss the daily live events.  I definitely miss "new" (recycled?) content as well.  However, I've found myself a few groups of people that I enjoy playing the game with, regardless of the fact that we lost that.  Yeah, I know how sad that sounds. 
I do still want more.  I want random interactions with event characters.  I want that feeling of IC cross-organizational hatred with a compelling reason behind it other than "OMG you're a Mech!."  Those days have passed though.  Maybe I'm foolish for it, but I am content to hang out with the friends I've made and RP with them.  There are a surprising number of newbies (at least I'm sure as hell surprised), and I like helping them out and showing them some of the things that this game still has to offer.

So to get to your question, how could it be worse?  It's a matter of perspective, I guess, and I'll give you that.  I certainly have a lot of things left to do in this game at 50 than you have already done.  (Hell, I've only ever run the first 2 PB's...)  And you've proven your point that to those who are at the end of their ropes with this game, a shutdown might not be worse than our current stagnation.  My biggiest issue with this whole mess, and the reason that I'm still talking in this thread, is that a lot of vets see fit to look down on me for still enjoying myself.  That's where my biggest point of contention lies.  So maybe it can't be worse for you, but a shut down would definitely be worse for me. 

I'll rephrase.  "It could be worse (for some of us)."

Also, Phrack, I appreciate your enthusiasm.  Even in all your bitterness and anger at what's happened to this game, you still stood up and made an attempt at something to try and revive this game.  You deserve kudos for RPA, and hopefully it will at the very least gain a draw of old timers and newbies to the game.  My concern is that some of the people who are so outspoken against this game and the people who still enjoy it (and I'm not pointing my finger at you) are also potentailly scaring those people away.

(EDITED to add a word... >.>

Garu wrote:

Lighten up!

Everyone jumping on everyone is not only not helping the situation.  In fact, it's only destroying the last vistages of what made this game great...the community.  We've been through a lot.  We've seen the best days and the worst this game has to offer and yet here we are.  We're still together but now we're turning on one another. 

And for what?  What is there to prove?  My opinion versus yours?  Who wins that?  How does that fix the game?  How does that help or inspire SOE to give us what we want?

United we stand.  Divided we fail.

Well said sir..

All this fighting, please... Garu makes a good point.

Can't we all just enjoy the game together? Or NOT enjoy the game together?

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

This thread makes me sad. The community is literally tearing itself apart, especially against the younger members trying to keep a positive outlook.

You disappoint me the most, Villemar. Out of all the louder vets that have become negative, I'd have hoped that one of you would be able to keep your posts polite. I guess this issue is finally wearing on everyone. Hm, or maybe I've distanced myself too much and I can't remember who is who, here.

Mea Culpa.  I did react a llittle over the top last night, in a state of cumulative sleep deprivation.  I'm not usually that aggro, nor do I intend to keep going in that direction   The peceived tone of the OP really rubbed me the wrong way late last night, is all.

Carry on! 

Phrack wrote:

QuiDormit wrote:

From my understanding, she's not trying to start a riot, she's not trying to tell you to quit, she's not namecalling, but she is telling you to realize that it could definitely be worse.

...How?

They could not give us Updates, or New Items, or Live Events?  They could not give us Producer's Letters, or Cinematics, or New Missions?  They could shut down two thirds of our game's servers, drive off the people who play the game, and end things like Flash Traffic, Liaisons, the Sentinel and Scanline?

How could it be worse?  I'm not arguing your point, I'm asking you to show me.  Show me how it could honestly be worse.  This isn't about "I was here longer, so your opinions are moot to me."  This is about "I remember when this game was being ADVERTISED, and I remember what we were PROMISED.  Therefore, I KNOW what has been taken away from us."

Maybe some of you are content with player-driven content, from a community where 98% of the people would rather not even try, because they know they'll either be bashed for it by someone "better" than they are, or that nobody will show up at all.  Maybe you're content with teleporting from hardline to hardline to hardline, looking for other players who just want to stand around, sit on a bench, and wait for RP or PVP to start.  But if you ask me, that's a pretty sad situation.

You think things could be worse?  I would like to know how.  If your answer is going to be "They could shut down the game," my next question would be "How would that be any worse?"  At least then we'd have a definitive action from the Powers That Be.  At least then, they'd acknowledge our friggin' presence, if only to give us one last kick to the groin.

If you enjoy this game the way it is, then more power to you...   but DO NOT come on this forum and tell us to quit our whining, QQ, cry moar, or lighten up.  Not when you're content with eating out of the garbage can this game currently is, and the rest of us are begging for a simple ham and cheese sandwich on a paper plate.

This is why I admire what you're trying to do with Redpill Alliance.  The two opposite wrong tacks to take would be 1) "Shut Up, Be Happy!",   and 2) Venting mindless rage.  And you are walking a sane, thoughtful line without falling into either trap with what you are trying to put together. 

QuiDormit wrote:

Phrack wrote:

QuiDormit wrote:

From my understanding, she's not trying to start a riot, she's not trying to tell you to quit, she's not namecalling, but she is telling you to realize that it could definitely be worse.

...How?

[...]

You think things could be worse?  I would like to know how.  If your answer is going to be "They could shut down the game," my next question would be "How would that be any worse?"  At least then we'd have a definitive action from the Powers That Be.  At least then, they'd acknowledge our friggin' presence, if only to give us one last kick to the groin.

I'll concede that having a definitive answer would be more comforting than floating along in space aimlessly.  When you're dealing with a business, that's just not information you'll ever be privvy to.  If a company was going to can one product line at the launch of another (or just can it without any kind of replacement) in say two months, that company isn't going to fly that flag, because that's two months where that product will lose money. 

The sad thing is, all it would take is just a simple bit of occasional communication on the part of Walrus or whomever.  Even if there is no news, I rather hear an occasional courtesy post to that effect.  Public Relations 101.

I disagree with the value of a total wall of silence, to me that's much, much worse and even more insulting and detrimental.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

The sad thing is, all it would take is just a simple bit of occasional communication on the part of Walrus or whomever.  Even if there is no news, I rather hear an occasional courtesy post to that effect.  Public Relations 101.

I disagree with the value of a total wall of silence, to me that's much, much worse and even more insulting and detrimental.

I just meant that if SOE was going to pull the plug, they're not going to talk about it, and they're not going to let Walrus or anyone talk about it very far ahead of the action if at all.

I don't like the wall of silence either, and I am by no means saying that we shouldn't ask for updates.  I just think that a lot of people go about it the wrong way.  For instance by saying, "I'm a paying customer, and I demand to know if this game will be shut down or not."  (and to be clear, I don't know if you've ever done this or not, so I'm not necessarily talking to you here.)  That is akin to getting pulled over and telling a cop that your taxes pay his salary.

To be honest, I'm impatiently waiting for some kind of update about something.  Still, I'm not going to let that fact interfere with my experience, because I want to enjoy what I've got while I've got it.

Sony won't pull the plug. We're a reminder to the gaming world of what not to do.

wake up sheeple!

complainers did 9/11

Roukan wrote:

Sony won't pull the plug. We're a reminder to the gaming world of what not to do.

Unlike Tabula Rasa or AOC.

I lol'd, you telling people to relax is like me telling people to be positive and hope for the best.

So much negitivity lately in the forums has been keeping me in a rotton mood, I think i'm not even going to look anymore and just play the game.

Alright, there's some valid points about stopping the negative whine/drama/anger flux around the forums, but again we have a certain feeling of being "screwed over" by our online game provider - going to a complete halt without any further updates and Producer Letters or any word at all for a month is a long time... granted the game is still the Matrix and new people can still find tons of things to do in it for at least a half year or more, but then things start to dwindle and it's a real shame that things have come to this - I for one would have thought the Warner Bros would step in and support their title more - apparently that's not the case. So lightening up isn't really what's it about - it's about getting someone from either SOE or WB who would listen to the community and see the dedication we (the fans - customers) still put into the game, and hopefully come to some agreement about what could be done to support the 15 bucks that we pay for access to the game world. Even if it's only an update every 2nd month or 3rd month but something that keeps the story alive and the game dynamic. I for one am not missing the live events that much but I am missing new stuff to aquire and I am missing the storyline missions be it grind or critical ones doesn't really matter to me, just dynamic storyline... that's what made this game something "other" than the rest... and that "other" is at the moment lost.

I'd be happy with 1 Live Event per month.  To Hell with the new updates...  I can even live without (if I must) the new Critical Missions.  1 Live Event per month, that encompassed all three servers, would wholeheartedly make up for everything we're doing without.

I'm not talking about one of the old Rarebit events, either.  Forget this "Meet, go here, do this, come back, meet, event's over" format.  I want to see supported Live Events, with code bombs, changes to monument textures and skyboxes, and NPC Spawns.  Have someone come in as an Agent and pwn everybody.

Even if you took 1 day out of the month, did it on Recursion, then Syntax, then Vector, and waited another 30 days to do it again, that would be enough.