ShiXinFeng wrote:

But could you accept it as "some non-sensical crap you've heard rumors about but haven't experienced first hand, and in any case, shouldn't deter us from focusing on fighting the war"?

You know, just for the sake of consensus?

Yeah, that's pretty much what I do.  I have to accept what's actually in the game.  But yeah, I look at it as ridiculous crap that has no bearing on me or what I do.  Actually, the only piece of the Oligarchs that I've ever really acknowledged is coming across Halborn's ship during the Lock battle, and then several months of trying to recreate (unsuccessfully) that technology for myself.

Lol, at least get your facts right before casting his work aside as non-cannon.

Reinsertion not being possible wasn't just Rarebit's concept, it was Chadwick's, who stood even closer to the Wachowskis.

Second, Chadwick/Chamberlain storyline up to and including chapter 9 was read and accepted by the W brothers. That includes the Oligarch backstory, the Oracle's death and the 2 oligarchs in search of the BIP.

Fen wrote:

For the record, I'm not telling you people to go back to chapter eight.  I only said that is what I've done with my character.  This ridiculous Oligarch storyline is nothing more than a non-canon fanfiction written by a guy that has not cared one bit about the Matrix story, as far as I'm concerned.

You all can believe what you want, but don't tell me that I have to accept or acknowledge this storyline.  My character never gave two squats about the Oligarchs and has always remained focused on the war.  You guys want to buy into the Oligarch stuff, more power to you.  I choose not to.  And now that Rarebit's gone, I'm also going back to accepting that reinsertion is possible, as shown and proven in the Matrix comics.

Matrix Comics = Canon.  They are published and edited by the Wachowski Brothers.  They personally selected each comic.

Rarebit =/= Canon.

*cough* Goliath *cough*

Villemar_MxO wrote:

*cough* Goliath *cough*

That would make for some epic skull style RP.

Hyperviolent wrote:

Lol, at least get your facts right before casting his work aside as non-cannon.

Reinsertion not being possible wasn't just Rarebit's concept, it was Chadwick's, who stood even closer to the Wachowskis.

Second, Chadwick/Chamberlain storyline up to and including chapter 9 was read and accepted by the W brothers. That includes the Oligarch backstory, the Oracle's death and the 2 oligarchs in search of the BIP.

So Rarebit said. 

Rarebit didn't know Mauser was freeborn.  Rarebit has also never read the Matrix Comics.  The Matrix Comics are canon, which are published and edited by the W. Bros, as well as opening words by them in each volume.

I don't understand why so many are willing to accept his word as canon, when he obviously had no regard in getting his own darn facts straight.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Fen wrote:

For the record, I'm not telling you people to go back to chapter eight.  I only said that is what I've done with my character.  This ridiculous Oligarch storyline is nothing more than a non-canon fanfiction written by a guy that has not cared one bit about the Matrix story, as far as I'm concerned.

You all can believe what you want, but don't tell me that I have to accept or acknowledge this storyline.  My character never gave two squats about the Oligarchs and has always remained focused on the war.  You guys want to buy into the Oligarch stuff, more power to you.  I choose not to.  And now that Rarebit's gone, I'm also going back to accepting that reinsertion is possible, as shown and proven in the Matrix comics.

Matrix Comics = Canon.  They are published and edited by the Wachowski Brothers.  They personally selected each comic.

Rarebit =/= Canon.

*cough* Goliath *cough*

Shush.  We don't talk about that.

I think read and accepted by the W bros is likely an acronym for sent to their secretary, checked by the legal dept for IP violations with regard to the original contract and rubberstamped and returned.

But in any event the story was dealing with matters and events outside the simulation, so in the absence of the word of law from some dev level storyteller it is completely inaccesesible on any coherent basis by the players.

If we get another dev storyteller all bets are off, but if we dont we need the Matrix to be presented to players in a form they can immediately recognise and use as a canvas to paint their own stories...... rp and involvement needs to be encouraged by an environment that welcomes both from players new and old and not one that presents a series of profound contradictions and requires a fanatically attention to detail to get anywhere near up to speed.

A matrix that is accessible and recognisable to new and old player alike is one that possibly has a future, a matrix that is remote and contradictory certainly hasn't.

Fen wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Fen wrote:

For the record, I'm not telling you people to go back to chapter eight.  I only said that is what I've done with my character.  This ridiculous Oligarch storyline is nothing more than a non-canon fanfiction written by a guy that has not cared one bit about the Matrix story, as far as I'm concerned.

You all can believe what you want, but don't tell me that I have to accept or acknowledge this storyline.  My character never gave two squats about the Oligarchs and has always remained focused on the war.  You guys want to buy into the Oligarch stuff, more power to you.  I choose not to.  And now that Rarebit's gone, I'm also going back to accepting that reinsertion is possible, as shown and proven in the Matrix comics.

Matrix Comics = Canon.  They are published and edited by the Wachowski Brothers.  They personally selected each comic.

Rarebit =/= Canon.

*cough* Goliath *cough*

Shush.  We don't talk about that.

SELECTIVE FANBOYISM

THIS MAN'S MASTERED IT.

Where does this leave us?

It lets you focus on your personal characters and friends backgrounds and to start other stories.

You can never do anything that will involve a storyline character or anything that was requested from them.

Now is the time to find other Role Player and have a feud or hovercraft battles to destory there ship/fleet.

cloudwolf wrote:

So it looks like theres 3 main suggestions popping up:

• Chapter 8, perpetual war, before the Oligarchs.
• Chapter 12.1, perpetual limbo with the current situation.
• Chapter 15, post-Rarebit's outlines.

Now the question is which one should "the devs" mark as "official", because lets be honest, we'll never agree among ourselves.

((Definately Chapter 15, post-Rarebit's outlines. His notes will needs a few tweaks but it is ok. As for afterwards, well I been thinking about that, but for obvious reasons this isn't concrete.))

Okay here is what I thought about for Chapter 15.1 Cinematic and story:

 Basically The Machines contact New Zion about a renewed Truce, and talk about important issues that need to be resolved, for example, the status of New Zion, The Machines cutting of all aid to the Cypherites, Zion cutting of all aid to E Pluribus Neo etc etc.

Meanwhile the Merovingian ponders about the idea of having his existance and the existance of his fellow Exiles extend to the Real World by using the Androids the Oligarchs constructed for themselves and somehow transfering their RSI code to the Androids. The Merovingian orders the General to search the No Fly Zone to find any data regarding this matter.

Meanwhile E Pluribus Neo get's a New Controller, who goes by the name of Hestia, who was a close friend of Shimada's and is still upset about the loss, but she is willing to take up the mantle of Controller.

Also last but not least, a Cypherite ship in the Real World near the Machine City stumbles across a ship they don't recognise. At first they try hailing the ship but get no response and then tell them if they don't respond they will open fire. All of a sudden the mystery ship fires of a EMP and the Cypherite ship goes dead, while the mystery ship just open fires with it's guns at the ship killing the pilot and some of the crew and then takes off. On board the ship you see the Operator Link talk to someone you can't see as he is blackened, the conversation is as follows.

 Mystery Figure :  This location is no longer secure, time to move on.

 Link: We been out here so long, do you still think we will be able to find him?

 Mystery Figure: I promised I would never give up looking for him so long as I live, I do not intend to stop now.

 Link: Ok sir, I trust you sir. It will be good to see him again, even if he is dead.

 Mystery Figure: Yes It would be good to see him once more.

 Meanwhile on board The Hovercraft: Blue Dreamer, Veil is at the communications terminal talking to someone. Conversation is as follows.

 Veil: Are you sure about this dearie?

 Random Cypherite: yes I am sure.

 Veil: Ok I will tell Cryptos dearie.

 Comms terminal goes blank and Cryptos walks in.

 Cryptos: What is it Veil?

 Veil: The Nyx was attacked by a unknown ship, their location was near the Machine City.

 Cryptos: That is odd, no Non-Machine aligned ship ever goes that close to zero one. Have people look into it Veil, both in the Matrix and here in the Real.

Veil: *does a blowkiss at Cryptos and winks* Will do dearie.

((I know this won't be official but I am just spouting out an idea))

Oops sorry double post.

Ooh... love the Chapter 15 ideas, xenin!

SampleNow wrote:

Where does this leave us?

It lets you focus on your personal characters and friends backgrounds and to start other stories.

You can never do anything that will involve a storyline character or anything that was requested from them.

Now is the time to find other Role Player and have a feud or hovercraft battles to destory there ship/fleet.

What this man said.

I feel that those who have departed from the Simulation (especially the heavier Role Players) at least are much less active with in it - have done so because they felt that the main storyline for quite a while now has been as Tytanya said remote and contradictory.

While it is indeed an intersting exploration of the franchise, I do not think it has the capacity nor mechanisms available for us to be completely reliant upon it as a basis and guide for our interactions.

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Edit: Actually, I love the spirit of your post xenin and quite like the sound of its outlines. Enthusiasm, passion and an incurable curiosity is what made this place a great place to be in the first place. You shouldn't ever lose that.

It's a great lead forward, but nut that I am, I still insist on at least some explanation of the removal of the Oligarchs, and in keeping with Ye Olde Matrixe tradition, you could put more mystery into your idea. I'm not bashing it or anything, just saying the "O hai its Morpheus" thing could be a lot more subtle or mysterious.

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

It's a great lead forward, but nut that I am, I still insist on at least some explanation of the removal of the Oligarchs, and in keeping with Ye Olde Matrixe tradition, you could put more mystery into your idea. I'm not bashing it or anything, just saying the "O hai its Morpheus" thing could be a lot more subtle or mysterious.

Removal of the Oligarchs = Operatives within the Simulation were split into factioning parties of those who supported their presence within the Matrix and those who sought to hinder them at every available opportunity with the long term goal of denying them entrance to the Matrix on a more permanent basis. Eventually, the opposing party found themselves victorious, coding for themselves an override code, based on a code sample retrieved from an Accelerated Exile and Agent, which disabled the Oligarchs' jack - in procedures, thus rendering them unable to enter the Simulation.

(Metaphor for DN1 yet still storyline-tastic and not too far from the truth.)