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Vindicator

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sonofthree wrote:
((omg Here I'll make it pink so you can't miss it and can't misunderstand.

In the third Matrix movie, the Oracle hints at her true purpose, which is to bring imbalance, rather than balance, to the equations that form the Matrix. In that she is opposed to her counterpart, The Architect, who brings balance to the equations that form the Matrix.

The Oracle's purpose is to aid The One and the humans following him by means of the Prophecy (predicting the victory of the One and the fall of the machines), not in order to bring down the Matrix, but rather so that they can voluntarily disconnect themselves from the system, ensuring its stability while preventing its destruction. As discovered by Neo, the prophecy is "just another system of control." The role of the Architect is then to reunite the One with the Source and bring about the destruction of Zion. The pair together ensure that the Matrix is rebooted and the population of Zion starts over when necessary, thus bringing the cycle of the Ones full cirle and ensuring control over the humans for at least one more cycle.))



This is true, but after Neo died and established the Truce, this changed.  The rules changed.  *shrug*



Systemic Anomaly

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*waltzes in from Recursion, whistling awkwardly*

((sorry, sonofthree, but I think you're not reading the last part of that article. 

In the final two films, the Oracle succeeds in unbalancing the Matrix (seeing the simultaneous rises of both Neo and Smith) to the extent that it is almost destroyed. However, in so doing, she manages to bring about a resolution in which the machines and the humans can coexist in peace.

The system of control was to keep the cycle repeating itself: Zion being destroyed, the Matrix being reset, and a new One appearing, etc.  She didn't do that.  Instead, she found a way to have Neo choose Trinity over the rest of Humanity, leading to the cycle being broken.  Therefore, her purpose might have been to be part of the system of control, but that's not what she was.))




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sonofthree wrote:
((omg Here I'll make it pink so you can't miss it and can't misunderstand.

In the third Matrix movie, the Oracle hints at her true purpose, which is to bring imbalance, rather than balance, to the equations that form the Matrix. In that she is opposed to her counterpart, The Architect, who brings balance to the equations that form the Matrix.

The Oracle's purpose is to aid The One and the humans following him by means of the Prophecy (predicting the victory of the One and the fall of the machines), not in order to bring down the Matrix, but rather so that they can voluntarily disconnect themselves from the system, ensuring its stability while preventing its destruction. As discovered by Neo, the prophecy is "just another system of control." The role of the Architect is then to reunite the One with the Source and bring about the destruction of Zion. The pair together ensure that the Matrix is rebooted and the population of Zion starts over when necessary, thus bringing the cycle of the Ones full cirle and ensuring control over the humans for at least one more cycle.))



Heh, but the Destruction of Zion never happened. The Oracle interveined. Or dont you remember her coming through Smith at the end of the Burly brawl?

It was all her, and always has been my friend.




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OOC: She was playing match maker and she saved Zion?O_o

BIC: The Oracle always has a plan, and it's about to come to fruition.


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sonofthree wrote:
All I have to say is

PARTY

yep.

((too all the morons that don't get why mervs would react with glee at the funeral of the old *CENSORED*, lrn2storyline))


Edit: And seriously she was part of the system of control



oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*.  everyone else includeing the people who showed up towards the end for the ma tourney acted like a bunch of *CENSORED* four year olds. 

and i do know the storyline.



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((nice to know beforehand...))


Ascendent Logic

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((It was the smith malfunction that ended the cycle NOT the Oracle or Neo. Had it not been for the smith virus zion would have been destroyed and they would have just started over. The prophecy was nothing more than control, the prophecy said nothing about a rogue exiled program it said the defeate of the machines. you guys read way way way too much into it to try to justify your character choices which I can understand IC but OOC it gets to the point of being silly.


The last two lines of the article are speculation, nothing in the source material can confirm nor deny. The truce obviously didn't bring about peace between the Machines and Zionists even when you don't take player plots into consideration. edit: furthermore she's always acted in game to protect the system not humanity.))

Message edited by sonofthree on 04/06/2008 20:31:31.


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You guys make me laugh.

For the portion of the service I was able to attend, kind words were said (as well as some not so kind words) and ultimately we were able to say our good-byes and thanks.  To those of us who she was important, she will be missed.  I hope she knew what she was doing, and perhaps, we will meet again some day.



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sonofthree wrote:
((It was the smith malfunction that ended the cycle NOT the Oracle or Neo. Had it not been for the smith virus zion would have been destroyed and they would have just started over. The prophecy was nothing more than control, the prophecy said nothing about a rogue exiled program it said the defeate of the machines. you guys read way way way too much into it to try to justify your character choices which I can understand IC but OOC it gets to the point of being silly.


The last two lines of the article are speculation, nothing in the source material can confirm nor deny. The truce obviously didn't bring about peace between the Machines and Zionists even when you don't take player plots into consideration. and furthermore she's always acted in game to protect the system not humanity look it up.))

((But then we have to ask what was it that drove Smith into becomeing a virus. As you said he/it was not apart of the prophacy and Smith himself hints that he is something that had yet to happen in any past simulation. Smith goes on to claim that it was Neo that pushed him to rebel but thats really all we hear on it.))

Message edited by GamiSB on 04/07/2008 05:04:03.



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((We're not reading too much into it, sonofthree.  I don't think you're reading into it enough.  SMILEY  My take on this has nothing to do with justifying my character choice, and you wouldn't know anyway since we aren't even on the same server.  SMILEY

This is the last couple of lines in Revolutions:

Oracle: Well, now, ain't this a surprise.
Architect: You've played a very dangerous game.
Oracle: Change always is.
Architect: Just how long do you think this peace is going to last?
Oracle: As long as it can.
{Architect starts walking away}
Oracle: What about the others?
Architect: What others?
Oracle: The ones that want out.
Architect: Obviously, they will be freed.
Oracle: I have your word?
Architect: What do you think I am? Human?

She's been fighting for the freedom of humanity all along, imo.

I have a theory, and this is just a theory, but my theory is that every time the simulation reset, the Oracle tried different ways to bring about full and absolute peace.  All the times she tried, she failed.  The One of that version still picked the door on the right, Zion was destroyed, and 23 humans were chosen to repopulate Zion.  The 6th time, she kinda sorta pushed Trinity and Neo into falling in love with each other which finally lead to Neo choosing the door on his left back to Trinity and eventually to peace.

Smith just sort of helped.  Gami's take on things is interesting to think about, as well.  SMILEY SMILEY)




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((Its computer code, there is nothing mystical about it. You accept that werewolves exists in the matrix because they are code, you accept that vampires exist in the matrix because they are code, you accept that giant fly beasts exist in the matrix...because they are code. Nothing more just programs with a coded function nothing magic or mystic about those....but you make an exception for the oracle, a coded function of the system (confirmed by the creator of the matrix himself) to precipitate hope in a "false"* prophecy among those who reject the simulation to keep them busy. By mere chance the malfunction of an agent turned exile she  was able to find "completion" in her perceived function,   she had no more freewill than the architect or even ultimately "the one".



*the one would certainly show up each cycle but this was calculated on and ultimately the one would either return to the source or die with the rest of zion there was no real hope that the prophecy could prevail.

(until the malfunction...maybe you guys should worship smith instead ultimately he's the one responsible for your freedom)))

Message edited by sonofthree on 04/07/2008 12:52:05.


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sonofthree wrote:
((Its computer code, there is nothing mystical about it. You accept that werewolves exists in the matrix because they are code, you accept that vampires exist in the matrix because they are code, you accept that giant fly beasts exist in the matrix...because they are code. Nothing more just programs with a coded function nothing magic or mystic about those....but you make an exception for the oracle, a coded function of the system (confirmed by the creator of the matrix himself) to precipitate hope in a "false"* prophecy among those who reject the simulation to keep them busy. By mere chance the malfunction of an agent turned exile she  was able to find "completion" in her perceived function,   she had no more freewill than the architect or even ultimately "the one".



*the one would certainly show up each cycle but this was calculated on and ultimately the one would either return to the source or die with the rest of zion there was no real hope that the prophecy could prevail.

(until the malfunction...maybe you guys should worship smith instead ultimately he's the one responsible for your freedom)))

((I don't see where anyone has claimed as of late that the Oracle has some kind of mystical power or that she is somehow beyond the control of the universe. Only that she had her own motives thanks to her programing (which Cervacius kindly showed an example of as well as her "To unbalance it" quote) about how things should go. Her ability to predict the future is explained by the Architect in that she is a intuitive program created to study the human psyche. Thus she was able to determine the outcome of events and plan on how to turn them in her favor which is exactly what she did in the case of Smith. She saw the problem and took a gamble on how to fix it manipulating people into the places they needed to be.

And again, what was it that made Smith malfunction? You say its chance but doesn't that go against your own argument about there being nothing mystical or without reason when it comes to code? Smith wasn't above causality was he so what was the cause that created his effect?))




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vynn_drasan wrote:



oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*. 


Who was that then?


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Some like the Oracle some don't. It normal that our organizations have different opinions about her. End of story...

 




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Criingey wrote:
vynn_drasan wrote:



oh i get why the mervs would react with glee at the fact. in fact there was one merv's there that pulled it off without looking like *unpleasant person*. 


Who was that then?

I'll give you a hint: It wasn't you.

 
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