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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;There are two very obvious differences between Machinists and Cypherites.&amp;nbsp; The first is that Cypherites advocated killing Zionites in the real while the truce was still on, which no Machinist that I know of agreed with!&amp;nbsp; The second is that Cypherites seem to have the belief that humans and Machines can&amp;#39;t live together in peace (and therefore all humans should stay in their pods), whereas Machinists have been working for this since the truce began.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.&amp;nbsp; But he may be an ally.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:03:49 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Garu wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;God, I&amp;#39;m so done with this rubbish.&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;What makes us different than Cypherites?&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Simple.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It all boils down to convenience.&amp;nbsp; Before Gray burst their bubble, Cypherites could two craps about bluepills.&amp;nbsp; They were all about killing redpills just so they could sleep without interference.&amp;nbsp; The minute Gray destroys that dream they conveniently now want to protect the bluepills.&amp;nbsp; Frankly, it&amp;#39;s just an excuse and idealic non-sense so they feel like they have a purpose again.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Machinists, on the other hand, work for a different goal, one that has &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; changed since Day One.&amp;nbsp; Peace.&amp;nbsp; We believe that if we work with the Machines we can build up a trust so that they don&amp;#39;t instinctively want to kill&amp;nbsp;humans immediately.&amp;nbsp; That maybe one day we can live in peace with them.&amp;nbsp; Unlike Cypherites, we&amp;#39;re not siding with the Machines to spite you.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In the end, we still believe in the same ideals we&amp;#39;ve always had.&amp;nbsp; There are things that we&amp;#39;ve done with regret that we&amp;#39;re not proud of (unlike the boastful Cypherites) but we are compelled to continue our course for the betterment of our race&amp;#39;s&amp;nbsp;relationship with the machines.&amp;nbsp; We do it selflessly, whereas Cypherites only do it for money.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Honestly, the question you should be asking is what separates Cypherites from Merovingians because the only reward machinists are looking for is peace.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Funny, when I first joined the Cypherites I joined becuase they were the only ones REALLY protecting the Blue Pills... and that was way before the reinsertion mess... I didn&amp;#39;t join to &amp;quot;murder&amp;quot; people, I joined because the Cypherites were the protectors of the innocent, and the destroyers of those that would bring them harm.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:20:16 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Ebola</author>
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<description>((Gami, your argument works about as well as those who argue against my faction The Daemon Contingency when we say we are neutral. I have three characters named Magiseth (well, Magiseth, Magiseth2, Magiseth3), and guess what? They all work for a different org. Including now in this time of war. Does Magiseth support Cyphs, since he works with the machines? No. Does he support EPN, since they work with his preferred employer, Zion? No. In fact, every time I hear that EPN did something for Zion, I mutter to myself that I wish a Zion op would&amp;#39;ve gotten credit for that instead of the EPN. Give it up, people in this game CAN be part of an org, and still be against it. Helping it by doing missions in which it requires something done that you don&amp;#39;t want to... well, you look at it as info and xp, don&amp;#39;t you? Don&amp;#39;t tell me that you refuse to do the Mech and Merv arcs because of that thought. Proc, I&amp;#39;m with you on this one.))&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Really? The Cyphs are the protectors of the innocent? Well, I would say, you have an interesting way of protecting. Tell me, is it right to kill in the name of salvation? Please, Ebola, justify killing those Zion operatives with Veil.... I&amp;#39;ll wait...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...is your argument that they were going to free minds from the system? Well, then, I wouldn&amp;#39;t call that protection. I would call that deciding. Deciding for them what is best for them. Those bluepills were in that spot making a decision for themselves. The ONLY way I would side with you is if you can provide evidence that those bluepills were being extracted against their will, in which case, Commander Roland and I will have a long chat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, I don&amp;#39;t want to say that I already know what it is you are really thinking. Do you have a justification for it? I&amp;#39;m not being sarcastic, as so many who have posted here are. I just want a straight answer from you or another Cypherite. Like I said... I&amp;#39;ll wait.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:32:45 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Magiseth</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;kou_urake wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;from TGS from putting a few in me and the other Zionites&amp;nbsp;while we were &lt;i&gt;trying&lt;/i&gt; to kill Veil. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You were easier to aim at than Veil - ditto Colt. Don&amp;#39;t go making wild assumptions about me actually liking&amp;nbsp;the Cypherites&amp;nbsp;- you&amp;#39;re all the same to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;LIES! I&amp;#39;m not the same to you!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-GG&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;((sorry for digging that up from page 2 &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;))&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:59:26 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Procurator wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;((Nothing that contradicted the story!? YOUR CLAIMING TO HAVE KILLED CYPHERITES AS A MACHINST! Then you followed it with a BS statment saying you didnt in the matrix and I remeber asking you why exactly Gray didnt care if you did it in the real but ddi care if it was done in the Matrix. The Cypherites are the Machines allies now. Anything you do to hurt them directly contridicts what the story has been telling us about them. Read what I said again, the game supports your clothing, faction position, attitude, belifes. But it doesn&amp;#39;t support your actions or anything else you say happens outside in the real.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;(( &lt;i&gt;*Falls about laughing.*&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Temper, temper.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First of all, I&amp;#39;d like you to quote me where I said I&amp;#39;d killed Cypherites in the Real. You seem to have referred to that a few times, but I&amp;#39;m not sure where you got it from. I said my crew was killed &lt;i&gt;by&lt;/i&gt; the Masked, well over a year ago. I said Procurator would like to kill Cypherites in the Real, and that stands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How does that contradict the story? If Procurator were to kill Cypherites, it wouldn&amp;#39;t contradict anything. It would have &lt;i&gt;consequences&lt;/i&gt; (like Gray firing me, relieving me of my FM-1500, etc), but it wouldn&amp;#39;t &lt;i&gt;contradict&lt;/i&gt; anything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I did read what you wrote, which is something you and others seem to neglect when it comes to my posts. But you&amp;#39;re wrong. The game doesn&amp;#39;t &lt;i&gt;support&lt;/i&gt; things happening in the Real, but it doesn&amp;#39;t &lt;i&gt;contradict&lt;/i&gt; them either. Not until it&amp;#39;s actually been written somewhere that a certain thing can&amp;#39;t physically happen (like the whole reinsertion business). If what you&amp;#39;re suggesting were true, every character in the game would have to follow their stereotype, because that&amp;#39;s what&amp;#39;s implied by the story. But people define their own characters, expand them into territories not supported by the game. It&amp;#39;s called creativity, and it&amp;#39;s allowed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;((Then it seems I misunderstood you three pages back when you started bragging about all you had done to hinder the Cypherites. If you havn&amp;#39;t done anything&amp;nbsp;then we have no problem, thats fine. Hate them all you like but I was under the impression that you were gloating about actions, not words. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;m not negateing&amp;nbsp;everything anyone does in the real only showing you where the line is. Someone can RP a Machine ship attacking a Zion ship and it works. Thats allowed and is expected. It can be executed and written without the need&amp;nbsp;for any characters not outside of the players control.&amp;nbsp;But a Machine ship attacking a Cypherite ship is not. Machineist aren&amp;#39;t suppose to be attacking Cypherites but instead are working with them in the war. As you said Gray would be all up in their butt about it but we aren&amp;#39;t in control of Gray or Agents.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Creativity is allowed but it has to be limited and people need to be aware that there are rules that they need to follow in makeing a character/story. As cool as it may be to be the son of Neo, Neo didn&amp;#39;t have a son.&amp;nbsp;As awesome as it is that you can RP a machine and Cypherite dogfight the story says that thats never happend and to make it happen you have to use characters not under your control.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;You&amp;#39;ve been hollaring about all the things you have done against the Cypherites not how you feel towards them. Get your story straight before you bother replying))&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Right from the start of this pathetic argument, I&amp;#39;ve been speaking about the things Procurator&amp;#39;s done (not much when it comes to Cypherites) as well as what he thinks. I&amp;#39;m trying to understand how you came to the conclusion that this wasn&amp;#39;t about how Procurator felt towards Cypherites. My story&amp;#39;s perfectly straight. Maybe you just need to concentrate a little. ))&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Re-read my first post. It can be sumed up&amp;nbsp;with the phrase &amp;quot;actions speak&amp;nbsp;louder&amp;nbsp;then words&amp;quot;. I&amp;#39;ve never given a *CENSORED* this whole time about how Proc thinks, or feels. I&amp;#39;ve cared about what he&amp;#39;s done and is doing. Any action aginst the Cypherites is a contridiction to the fact that Machinst are to be helping them.))&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;It comes down to this. There are rules we have to follow,&amp;nbsp;just we don&amp;#39;t know them all. But&amp;nbsp;just because we don&amp;#39;t know them doesn&amp;#39;t mean we don&amp;#39;t have to follow them. Before gravity was discoverd people didn&amp;#39;t float. When the MxO story said reinsertion wasn&amp;#39;t possible any player story that came up with that in it was null and void. It never happend. Thats what im trying to show you here. The story while not directly saying &amp;quot;You can not do this&amp;quot; is implying it. Will it ever be said that Machinst never attacked Cypherites or that Cypherites were attacked by Machinst. No idea and I doubt it ever will say it as plainly as that. But it is saying that Cypherites are a Machine alli and that they are protected from harm by Machinst. Common sence tells you that Machinst aren&amp;#39;t attacking Cypherites and to RP such a thing is setting yourself up for the fall whenever it may come. &lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:45:26 GMT</pubDate>
<author>GamiSB</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Magiseth wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;((Gami, your argument works about as well as those who argue against my faction The Daemon Contingency when we say we are neutral. I have three characters named Magiseth (well, Magiseth, Magiseth2, Magiseth3), and guess what? They all work for a different org. Including now in this time of war. Does Magiseth support Cyphs, since he works with the machines? No. Does he support EPN, since they work with his preferred employer, Zion? No. In fact, every time I hear that EPN did something for Zion, I mutter to myself that I wish a Zion op would&amp;#39;ve gotten credit for that instead of the EPN. Give it up, people in this game CAN be part of an org, and still be against it. Helping it by doing missions in which it requires something done that you don&amp;#39;t want to... well, you look at it as info and xp, don&amp;#39;t you? Don&amp;#39;t tell me that you refuse to do the Mech and Merv arcs because of that thought. Proc, I&amp;#39;m with you on this one.))&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;((Wrong argument pal. I&amp;#39;m not saying neutrality isn&amp;#39;t possible or that you can&amp;#39;t be playing all sides of the fence. I&amp;#39;m saying you can&amp;#39;t be loyal to one side and be working aginst it. Proc isn&amp;#39;t neutral, he&amp;#39;s been a Machinst since day one and from what I gather is in full support of the Machine. The problem is that being in full support of the Machine means he supports everything the Machine does which includes inlist the help of Cypherits, a group of people he hates. This is fine, awesome, hate&amp;nbsp;them all you want, hate is a feeling and your allowed that. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But he took it further, apparently he is activley hindering Cypherite operations something that if was true is a direct violation to what Gray has said is allowed. Simple logic at this point tells you that a Machine Captain&amp;nbsp;is going to be told off for this by someone in charge namely Agent Gray. Now since Proc has no control&amp;nbsp;over Gray he can&amp;#39;t possibly say that he has been&amp;nbsp;punished for his actions. Thus a problem accures and if the story is played out that Proc has done something aginst the Cypherites he has no offical way of saying that it happend. It&amp;#39;s his word against the stories logic, and the stories logic comes out on top.))&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:55:16 GMT</pubDate>
<author>GamiSB</author>
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<description>Could someone answer this question? Why, when you turn cyph (no matter how nice you may be) you; &lt;br /&gt;a) gain a huge mothertrucking chip on your shoulder with everyone&lt;br /&gt;b) ./mood cocky like your gods gift to everyone&lt;br /&gt;c) have the same vocabulary as dog-breath veil? (eg: dear, dearie, man etc)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;??? I&amp;#39;ve always wondered.</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 4 Nov 2007 03:27:30 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Sphairo</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Sphairo wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;c) have the same vocabulary as dog-breath veil? (eg: dear, dearie, man etc)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same reasons why Mervs speak like the Merv, and Mechs like Agents.</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 4 Nov 2007 03:41:22 GMT</pubDate>
<author>GoDGiVeR</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;GoDGiVeR wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The same reasons why Mervs speak like the Merv, and Mechs like Agents.&lt;/blockquote&gt;What?! I hope that&amp;#39;s a joke. I&amp;#39;d be worried if an Agent spoke anything like me. On the other hand, I have got our liaison&amp;nbsp;program SIMLO saying &amp;#39;groovy&amp;#39;.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 4 Nov 2007 03:50:16 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Procurator</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Sphairo wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Could someone answer this question? Why, when you turn cyph (no matter how nice you may be) you; &lt;br /&gt;a) gain a huge mothertrucking chip on your shoulder with everyone&lt;br /&gt;b) ./mood cocky like your gods gift to everyone&lt;br /&gt;c) have the same vocabulary as dog-breath veil? (eg: dear, dearie, man etc)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pretty much what GodGiver said.&amp;nbsp; It&amp;#39;s the easiest way to identify with the role your portraying.&amp;nbsp; Every one does it, though some more subtle than others.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;For Zion!&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 4 Nov 2007 06:10:42 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Garu</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Garu wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Sphairo wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Could someone answer this question? Why, when you turn cyph (no matter how nice you may be) you; &lt;br /&gt;a) gain a huge mothertrucking chip on your shoulder with everyone&lt;br /&gt;b) ./mood cocky like your gods gift to everyone&lt;br /&gt;c) have the same vocabulary as dog-breath veil? (eg: dear, dearie, man etc)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pretty much what GodGiver said.&amp;nbsp; It&amp;#39;s the easiest way to identify with the role your portraying.&amp;nbsp; Every one does it, though some more subtle than others.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;For Zion!&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&amp;lt;img src=&quot; /&gt;&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&amp;#39;s soooo old.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;lt;_&amp;lt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;gt;_&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FOR NEW ZION!!!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And, call me GG. It&amp;#39;s not like we need to stay formal only because it&amp;#39;s war, Garu. If I want to be formal, you&amp;#39;ll get a mail with a bullet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-GG&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 4 Nov 2007 06:52:45 GMT</pubDate>
<author>GoDGiVeR</author>
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<description>Fair enough.&amp;nbsp; GG, GG.&amp;nbsp; &lt;img src=&quot;http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; width=&quot;15&quot; height=&quot;15&quot; /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:37:49 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Garu</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Garu wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Fair enough.&amp;nbsp; GG, GG.&amp;nbsp; &lt;img src=&quot;http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; width=&quot;15&quot; height=&quot;15&quot; /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;((saw that one coming looooong way))</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:11:28 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;GoDGiVeR wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Sphairo wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;c) have the same vocabulary as dog-breath veil? (eg: dear, dearie, man etc)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same reasons why Mervs speak like the Merv, and Mechs like Agents.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&amp;#39;ve always thought the entire Agent drone talk was absurd. I&amp;#39;m a Merv, and you won&amp;#39;t catch me speaking with a French accent.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:28:48 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;You can be part of an organization and not support every single thing they do; you can try to change it from within.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:40:16 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;But you can&amp;#39;t claim to be in full support of that organization and pick and choose what you like.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also you can&amp;#39;t change what doesn&amp;#39;t want to be changed with words alone.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:40:28 GMT</pubDate>
<author>GamiSB</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;But you can&amp;#39;t claim to be in full support of that organization and pick and choose what you like.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also you can&amp;#39;t change what doesn&amp;#39;t want to be changed with words alone.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course you can.&amp;nbsp; It&amp;#39;d be foolish to be believe we embrace &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; aspect of our respective organizations.&amp;nbsp; You take the good with the bad and see which weighs more.&amp;nbsp; Obviously when the bad weighs the most, you move on.&amp;nbsp; Many of us are hoping to change the minds of the Machine race.&amp;nbsp; Otherwise we wouldn&amp;#39;t be here.&amp;nbsp; We&amp;#39;d resort to fighting back and continuing a needless cycle of hatred to which we already have a couple organizations dedicated to.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The plight of the machinist is our everlasting hope that we can change things.&amp;nbsp; We remain hopeful amidst those who have given up and see no other means to our race&amp;#39;s survival than through violence and retaliation.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Before you preach about how violent the Machines are, I&amp;#39;ll agree with you.&amp;nbsp; They are quite merciless.&amp;nbsp; It is in their nature to be so, afterall they were birthed in our own image.&amp;nbsp; And should our race gain the upperhand, I guarantee you that mercy will be the farthest from desires.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nevertheless, we remain &lt;i&gt;optimistic&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:39:40 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Garu</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Full support. That means that anything someone does you back it no matter what it is. My earlier example, you can&amp;#39;t say you supported Bush compeltly and be aginst the Iraq war. You can&amp;#39;t say you back the Machine 100% and then complain about them useing Cypherites as spies. Once you do you not longer are fully supporting them. You are partialy or semi supportive. This isn&amp;#39;t to say that your no longer a Machinsst if you don&amp;#39;t like the Cypherites. It just means your not a die hard fan you&amp;#39;re claiming to be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:34:43 GMT</pubDate>
<author>GamiSB</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Full support. That means that anything someone does you back it no matter what it is.&lt;/b&gt; My earlier example, you can&amp;#39;t say you supported Bush compeltly and be aginst the Iraq war. You can&amp;#39;t say you back the Machine 100% and then complain about them useing Cypherites as spies. Once you do you not longer are fully supporting them. You are partialy or semi supportive. This isn&amp;#39;t to say that your no longer a Machinsst if you don&amp;#39;t like the Cypherites. It just means your not a die hard fan you&amp;#39;re claiming to be.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Correct.&amp;nbsp; However, you seem to believe that one must agree with something 100% in order to support it.&amp;nbsp; That&amp;#39;s a bit too ideallistic for my taste.&amp;nbsp; I support the Machines and certainly won&amp;#39;t entertain&amp;nbsp;examining&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;level of my loyalty with them.&amp;nbsp; Frankly, if I didn&amp;#39;t support them, believe in them or trust them, I wouldn&amp;#39;t be a Machinist.&amp;nbsp; I dare not challenge your loyalty or anyone else&amp;#39;s.&amp;nbsp; Isn&amp;#39;t it enough that we are all willing to die for our beliefs?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:14:09 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Garu</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.4] It&apos;s a dark day for you, dearies - Recursion - 10/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Hardly that, just the people I was originaly argueing with kept going on about how they were in &amp;quot;full support&amp;quot; of the Machines yet had a problem with the Cypherites. I&amp;#39;m not here to say who&amp;#39;s the most loyal, just pointing out that if your gonna claim to be the most loyal you can&amp;#39;t *CENSORED* about anything your group does.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But also because of what the Cypherites are it is impossible for even the most anti Cypherite to not help them in some way by working for the Machine. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:21:18 GMT</pubDate>
<author>GamiSB</author>
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