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<title>Re:[8.3.2] A lot of people want a piece of this guy - Vector - 10/12/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Croesus wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Heh, If I have known that EPN can get so easily distracted by a few cookies I would have suggested making a stockpile ages ago! Perhaps Popper and his gang should just let the more determined Zionites try to find the Sim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wish to God that I could disagree with you. I can&amp;#39;t. The whole *CENSORED* thing was a sham. Go back and read the text, we asked all the right questions. The Oracle if anyone does knew exactly where he was.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The whole meeting is summed up in her answer to&amp;nbsp;two&amp;nbsp;questions: &amp;quot;How do we know you would help us gain the program&amp;#39;s support? To this very day how do we know you don&amp;#39;t support the Machines?&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oracle: &amp;quot;Oh, I didn&amp;#39;t say I&amp;#39;d help you, did I?&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Seraph seems to be&amp;nbsp;a different story. He&amp;#39;s practically made the series the last few months.&amp;nbsp;I&amp;#39;ll fight more&amp;nbsp;Agents with you anytime Wingless buddy.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:56:24 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Croesus wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Heh, If I have known that EPN can get so easily distracted by a few cookies I would have suggested making a stockpile ages ago! Perhaps Popper and his gang should just let the more determined Zionites try to find the Sim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;((Also, why is the Oracle&amp;#39;s name all strange and &amp;#39;ORRRRACLLLEE412&amp;#39;? It&amp;#39;s been bugging me for ages but haven&amp;#39;t actually found out yet...))&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You used to not be able to have characters with same name on each server so I think they used wierd names on their side, but for us the players the names look normal!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although I&amp;#39;m not sure if things are that way anymore looking at all the other live event pictures =) Maybe the name can&amp;#39;t be changed here now that it is set?</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:09:12 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Nicksie wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Croesus wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Heh, If I have known that EPN can get so easily distracted by a few cookies I would have suggested making a stockpile ages ago! Perhaps Popper and his gang should just let the more determined Zionites try to find the Sim.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;((Also, why is the Oracle&amp;#39;s name all strange and &amp;#39;ORRRRACLLLEE412&amp;#39;? It&amp;#39;s been bugging me for ages but haven&amp;#39;t actually found out yet...))&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You used to not be able to have characters with same name on each server so I think they used wierd names on their side, but for us the players the names look normal!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although I&amp;#39;m not sure if things are that way anymore looking at all the other live event pictures =) Maybe the name can&amp;#39;t be changed here now that it is set?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was curious about that myself; for a moment, I thought it was one of thos copycats you see from time to time (the best was the guy on Recursion running around under the name &amp;quot;LeMerovingien&amp;quot;... who got his can kicked for him by a bunch of Blackwoods: I remember watching that happen, with LinksLife and&amp;nbsp;a couple of others. Silliest sight I&amp;#39;d seen that night.), but then I realised the chat lines were a different shade from the rest of the area chat lines.</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:51:09 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] A lot of people want a piece of this guy - Vector - 10/12/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Roukan wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Reposco wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;and I&amp;#39;m not referring to the incompetent leader comment about your&amp;nbsp;own Command,&amp;nbsp;Roukan, keep it up and we&amp;#39;ll have a not so pleasent talk - just you, me and Sametrix.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;He&amp;#39;s a child. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Then why follow? If you realize he is a fool, and still continue to follow...what does that make you?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:52:47 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Cmdr_Dezreki wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Roukan wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Reposco wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;and I&amp;#39;m not referring to the incompetent leader comment about your&amp;nbsp;own Command,&amp;nbsp;Roukan, keep it up and we&amp;#39;ll have a not so pleasent talk - just you, me and Sametrix.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;He&amp;#39;s a child. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Then why follow? If you realize he is a fool, and still continue to follow...what does that make you?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Because I don&amp;#39;t like to see death. If a fool rushes into battle, and the fools behind him listen, they all die. However, if his generals or people he trusts tell him to calm down and think, we&amp;#39;ll survive. That&amp;#39;s why I&amp;#39;m there. I may cause death, but I atleast prevent it on those I care about.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:55:56 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] A lot of people want a piece of this guy - Vector - 10/12/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Roukan wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Because I don&amp;#39;t like to see death. If a fool rushes into battle, and the fools behind him listen, they all die. However, if his generals or people he trusts tell him to calm down and think, we&amp;#39;ll survive. That&amp;#39;s why I&amp;#39;m there. I may cause death, but I atleast prevent it on those I care about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;So, you&amp;#39;re a babysitter now, Roukan?&amp;nbsp; </description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:15:32 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>No he isn&amp;#39;t. None of us are. We are all, whether we like it or understand it or not, responsible for our actions in one way or another. Actually, I think those that believe that the human race needs to live under the jurisdiction and control of the Machine are in essence being &amp;quot;babysat&amp;quot; by the Machine. After all, mankind is doomed to destroy itself without it, right?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(&amp;lt;3)&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:22:39 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Garu wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Roukan wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Because I don&amp;#39;t like to see death. If a fool rushes into battle, and the fools behind him listen, they all die. However, if his generals or people he trusts tell him to calm down and think, we&amp;#39;ll survive. That&amp;#39;s why I&amp;#39;m there. I may cause death, but I atleast prevent it on those I care about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;So, you&amp;#39;re a babysitter now, Roukan?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/blockquote&gt;Yes.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:42:13 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Pyraci wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;After all, mankind is doomed to destroy itself without it, right?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Humankind does not destroy itself per se. A Minority forces themselves with &amp;quot;power&amp;quot; upon the majority and then force both parties in extinction. Leadership is great, no?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Machines are no exception. It hasn&amp;#39;t happened, yet, doesn&amp;#39;t mean it won&amp;#39;t. There is still credit to be given to the Machines where it is due in that resort. Blood credit, that is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-GG&lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:45:32 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Pyraci wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;After all, mankind is doomed to destroy itself without it, right?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s quite likely.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:16:04 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;GoDGiVeR wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;Humankind does not destroy itself per se. A Minority forces themselves with &amp;quot;power&amp;quot; upon the majority and then force both parties in extinction. Leadership is great, no?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Machines are no exception. It hasn&amp;#39;t happened, yet, doesn&amp;#39;t mean it won&amp;#39;t. There is still credit to be given to the Machines where it is due in that resort. Blood credit, that is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-GG&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;Indeed. I&amp;#39;m just being a sarcastic jerk. &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Illyria22 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#39;s quite likely.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;But not certain.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:24:01 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>When the God of Dreams truly presents himself, there will be true chaos within he simulation, for a time. Until then, this sim will serve his purpose, and show his faults.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let us not forget, what the real Morpheus told a select few before his &amp;quot;death&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will not quote, because some of you know just exactly &lt;span style=&quot;color: #ff0000;&quot;&gt;*CENSORED*&lt;/span&gt; im talking about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: xx-small;color: #ff0000;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;*MOD: Checksum - Bypassing the profanity filter is not permitted. Please don&amp;#39;t*&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:30:06 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Tosuno wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;While he does help Zion out with his &lt;u&gt;crusaders&lt;/u&gt;, fact remains that I still will always question his competents as a leader.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Care full with that word. Things don&amp;#39;t go so well when you say crusaders or say you are on a crusade. Just look at the Christian faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-ReProgrammed-&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:34:34 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Br00ch wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Tosuno wrote:&lt;/cite&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite&gt;ChloeAnn wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;While he does help Zion out with his crusaders, fact remains that I still will always question his competents as a leader.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think Niobe summed it up best: &amp;quot;Well, he&amp;#39;s no Morpheus.&amp;quot; He&amp;#39;s powerful as hell, figured out how to achieve enlightenment by himself, great idealism, all that.&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc0000;&quot;&gt; But he&amp;#39;s also hardly experienced the Matrix at all as a redpill, is 18 years old, and acts more as a uniting figurehead than anything else. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is he going to save humanity? Not a chance, by a mile. But he works as a leader of sorts, and right now we take what we can get. When the other choices are Roland, Merv, or the&amp;nbsp;myriad of possessed human mouthpieces the Machines call liasons we can get pretty desperate.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think that part sums it up quite well. The Kid is a figurehead for people who believe a similar set of ideals and goals. Its evident in the way he acts. His actions are casual and when he is trying to complete a task he&amp;nbsp;acts like more of a fighter and less of a general or captain&amp;nbsp;calling the shots. I&amp;#39;m not saying the he doesn&amp;#39;t have a level of authority over others in the faction. He is making decisions and organizing the way the faction moves towards its goals but&amp;nbsp;I think there&amp;#39;s obvious differences in the way The Kid does this compared to say, The Merovingian or Agent Pace. The Kid&amp;nbsp;doesn&amp;#39;t exert his authority of his subordinates, but rather&amp;nbsp;influences the way they&amp;nbsp;act.&amp;nbsp;His people aren&amp;#39;t tools for him to use, they are his friends which choose to help him based upon a&amp;nbsp;shared belief.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:42:40 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>What your saying is that Popper uses transformational leadership whilst the Merovingian/Pace use transactional leadership. Both types have their good and bad points, although the most effective in the case of results is the transactional style.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:14:53 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Croesus wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;What your saying is that Popper uses transformational leadership whilst the Merovingian/Pace use transactional leadership. Both types have their good and bad points, although &lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc0000;&quot;&gt;the most effective in the case of results is the transactional style&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe. I think it depends. I wouldn&amp;#39;t say that one produces better results than the other 100% of the time. Different people respond to different motivations.&amp;nbsp;Success is determined by more than leadership. The complexity of the task, resources at your disposal etc. have an influence too, as does leadership. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either way, I&amp;#39;m not trying to say one leadership style is better than another. Rather I was merely commenting on the type of leader he is. </description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:35:24 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Roukan wrote:&lt;/cite&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;He&amp;#39;s a child. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To all that call Micheal a &amp;quot;child&amp;quot;.... well without that child, you&amp;#39;ll not be here , without that child the hammer crashed on the gate of zion, Cause that child got more ball than anyone of who call him &amp;quot;child&amp;quot;, cause he face the sentinels in the reality flesh vs steel, heart vs cold logic, he believe, and let Neo save all us, Man Machine exile......&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If this mean be a child.... Im proud to follow a child leader, cause he showed to all to be brave, he is more adult than many of those who call him child.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I follow a pure heart, cause is not the age that make a man a man, is the action that make him a big man.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:38:45 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;The &amp;#39;Michael Popper&amp;#39; is really a sim cleverly designed to collate the very worse in humanity then occupy it by&amp;nbsp;running around in circles,&amp;nbsp;going nowhere and doing nothing other than&amp;nbsp;make the Machines look righteous.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Another brilliant piece of Machine manipulation!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:31:27 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Tytanya_MxO</author>
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<description>yes machine are excellent in human manipulation, and i think you&amp;nbsp; are one of the most masterpieces.....</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:23:08 GMT</pubDate>
<author>SEPET</author>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;Tytanya is Merv, not Machine.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:23:55 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Illyria22</author>
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