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<title>Re:[9.1.3] Enough information to get a message through - Syntax - 11/29/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Illyria22 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Tenshi wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Great work EPN...on completely wasting your encounter with the Intruder...keep the &amp;quot;We love Neo, i wanna free humanity&amp;quot; crap at home and find out something useful will ya?&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;After&amp;nbsp;reading the dialogue from EPN, I couldn&amp;#39;t help but be amused by the assertions that the Matrix is a prison and that everyone can (subconsciously) feel that they&amp;#39;re enslaved, that this place isn&amp;#39;t ours, that it isn&amp;#39;t right for us.&amp;nbsp; I&amp;#39;m glad the Intruder brought up the questions EPN can&amp;#39;t answer, like how exactly are they going to free all humanity, and what will happen to them afterwards.&amp;nbsp; I&amp;#39;m glad at least one person there brought up that inconvenient fact that not everyone in the Matrix may want to leave!&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;EPN likes to think it knows what humanity really wants&amp;nbsp;-- freedom from the Matrix -- and they&amp;nbsp;seem to believe that everyone in the Matrix would naturally want to leave, if they just knew how great it was to be out.&amp;nbsp; That&amp;#39;s why they talk so much about giving people a conscious choice.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;But what happens when not everyone makes they choice EPN wants them to make?&amp;nbsp; Does EPN&amp;nbsp;have the right to force what they think is the best choice on everyone else?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here&amp;#39;s a little thought experiment.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Instead of &amp;quot;freedom from the Matrix&amp;quot;, try substituting the words &amp;quot;US-style democracy&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;free market capitalism&amp;quot; into the sentence &amp;quot;Everyone would naturally want ____________, if they just knew how much better it was than what they already have.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; That&amp;#39;s what alot of people in US&amp;nbsp;politics believe, and they can&amp;#39;t understand how other countries might resist such changes&amp;nbsp;to their&amp;nbsp;governmental or economic systems!&amp;nbsp; But they&amp;#39;re so sure they&amp;#39;re right, they&amp;#39;ll ignore that these other nations don&amp;#39;t want to change or become more like what we (the US) want them to be like.&amp;nbsp; EPN is like this.&amp;nbsp; Most of them ignore the fact that not everyone sees the Matrix as a prison.&amp;nbsp; They want to make choices that will impact the rest of humanity, but without considering&amp;nbsp;what the rest of humanity might want.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Somebody shut the record player off, it&amp;#39;s stuck on repeat again...&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:24:38 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>Nuclear weapon... are we back to that again? How many times do we have to kill the earth before we realize that that isnt the answer.</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:00:03 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>where was the colony durng all of this?!?</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:36:12 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;GQubed wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Nuclear weapon... are we back to that again? How many times do we have to kill the earth before we realize that that isnt the answer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Remember the definition of insanity -- doing the same thing over and over and then expecting a different result.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:00:07 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Illyria22</author>
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<description>As a matter of historical fact, many people who had been enslaved in the United States &lt;i&gt;refused &lt;/i&gt;to leave their plantation work after being emancipated by presidential proclamation.&amp;nbsp; Slavery was the only life they had ever known.&amp;nbsp; Their &amp;quot;masters&amp;quot; had so conditioned and inured them in to believing that they were in their &amp;quot;proper&amp;quot; place, that they fought to defend their own enslavement.&amp;nbsp; They were not allowed to remain enslaved.&amp;nbsp; They were freed, some against their will, because it was the right thing to do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;hw&quot;&gt;in·ure&lt;/span&gt; also &lt;b&gt;en·ure&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;span class=&quot;pron&quot;&gt;(&lt;img src=&quot;http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;n-y&lt;img src=&quot;http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/oobreve.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;r&lt;img src=&quot;http://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;)&lt;/span&gt; &lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;tr.v.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;b&gt;in·ured&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;in·ur·ing&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;in·ures&lt;/b&gt; &lt;div&gt;To habituate to something &lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ff00;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;undesirable&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;especially by &lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ff00;&quot;&gt;prolonged subjection&lt;/span&gt;; accustom&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Every time I read posts by Machines on these threads, I am struck at how completely ignorant and uneducated you all sound.&amp;nbsp; You should seriously stop playing games and get an education.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:18:26 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;kou_urake wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ah, EPN. Always repeating Zion&amp;#39;s mistakes. Will you train this one&amp;#39;s soldiers? Accept his miraculous &amp;quot;gifts&amp;quot;?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffff00;&quot;&gt;*chuckles* Just shut up already. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:26:21 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>Nice job Stackk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You are seriously one of the few people I can call intelligent in this organization.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:27:30 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;PS10N wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Every time I read posts by Machines on these threads, I am struck at how completely ignorant and uneducated you all sound.&amp;nbsp; You should seriously stop playing games and get an education.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a problem with your analogy: the&amp;nbsp;slaves in America weren&amp;#39;t freed into a post-nuclear wasteland with no sunlight where no food crops would grow.&amp;nbsp; Freeing them didn&amp;#39;t condemn them to a quick death from shock or a slow death from starvation.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A better comparison between freeing the bluepills and&amp;nbsp;freeing the slaves would have been if the slaves had been freed into Antarctica...you can&amp;#39;t grow food there either, and&amp;nbsp;the environment is hostile to human life.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:33:36 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Illyria22</author>
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<description>None of the nearly half-million people in New Zion is starving, thank you.&amp;nbsp; Unlike Machinists, we Zionists don&amp;#39;t need programs to think for us or sentient machines to relieve us of responsibility and choice.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:13:18 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;PS10N wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;None of the nearly half-million people in New Zion is starving, thank you.&amp;nbsp; Unlike Machinists, we Zionists don&amp;#39;t need programs to think for us or sentient machines to relieve us of responsibility and choice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our minds are our own, and we take responsibility for our own actions and choices. Claiming that we don&amp;#39;t is only showing how your propaganda is ever unchanging and ludicrous. I don&amp;#39;t ever expect you to stop with your preaching, as the only way you will ever know the truth is to be in our position and you are either to scared or too ignorant to ever even consider looking at things from our point of view.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You surely cannot believe that if you released all blues that they will be fed and housed nice and comfortably in New Zion, not only will there not be enough room to move, but disease and crime would run rampant as it has throughout human history when close proximity and limited resources were forced on people. There would be no other choice then for people to live outside of New Zion.. almost certainly condemning a number of them to death from starvation, cold, and hostile environments. As Lyr says, that&amp;#39;s only if they don&amp;#39;t die of shock initially.... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Surely you can see this happening, tell me you are not blind to this problem?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:22:28 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Croesis</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Illyria22 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;There is a problem with your analogy: the&amp;nbsp;slaves in America weren&amp;#39;t freed into a post-nuclear wasteland with no sunlight where no food crops would grow.&amp;nbsp; Freeing them didn&amp;#39;t condemn them to a quick death from shock or a slow death from starvation.&amp;nbsp; &lt;p&gt;A better comparison between freeing the bluepills and&amp;nbsp;freeing the slaves would have been if the slaves had been freed into Antarctica...you can&amp;#39;t grow food there either, and&amp;nbsp;the environment is hostile to human life.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is highly debateable, but nevertheless, it may have some truth.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yet when the slaves of Egypt were freed, they wandered in the desert for years. They never said, &amp;quot;hey, let&amp;#39;s turn around and go back to being slaves.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When slavery met its end in the free world, the freed peoples had nothing. They had no land, no where to live, no food, and no money. And yet, they didn&amp;#39;t say &amp;quot;let&amp;#39;s go back to being slaves!&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You see, freedom and the pain it can sometimes cause, is far more preferrable to living under the yoke of another.&amp;nbsp;I&amp;#39;m willing to bet that most people would say that they would rather die free than live as a slave. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But more than that, no one of us can be free so long as the Machines insist on keeping the human race trapped inside the Matrix. We are all tied inexorably to this thing, with people and programs pulling our strings and pushing us in the directions they think we need to go.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now, I don&amp;#39;t know about you guys. . .but I am &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; getting tired of other people trying to control me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:52:00 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;PS10N wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;None of the nearly half-million people in New Zion is starving, thank you.&amp;nbsp; Unlike Machinists, we Zionists don&amp;#39;t need programs to think for us or sentient machines to relieve us of responsibility and choice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our minds are our own, and we take responsibility for our own actions and choices. Claiming that we don&amp;#39;t is only showing how your propaganda is ever unchanging and ludicrous. I don&amp;#39;t ever expect you to stop with your preaching, as the only way you will ever know the truth is to be in our position and you are either to scared or too ignorant to ever even consider looking at things from our point of view.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You surely cannot believe that if you released all blues that they will be fed and housed nice and comfortably in New Zion, not only will there not be enough room to move, but disease and crime would run rampant as it has throughout human history when close proximity and limited resources were forced on people. There would be no other choice then for people to live outside of New Zion.. almost certainly condemning a number of them to death from starvation, cold, and hostile environments. As Lyr says, that&amp;#39;s only if they don&amp;#39;t die of shock initially.... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Surely you can see this happening, tell me you are not blind to this problem?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;If one of the main goals (on all sides) is to work together like everyone preaches, then some sort of agreement could be reached for housing the population.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; A singularity between both species could be achieved and that wouldn&amp;#39;t be a problem. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree with ShiX, I&amp;#39;d rather die with freedom running through my veins than die in that simulation, never to have even moved my real muscles, used my own two eyes god gave me, or touched someone that I love for real.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~&amp;nbsp;spha x&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:25:06 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;This is highly debateable, but nevertheless, it may have some truth.&lt;p&gt;Yet when the slaves of Egypt were freed, they wandered in the desert for years. They never said, &amp;quot;hey, let&amp;#39;s turn around and go back to being slaves.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When slavery met its end in the free world, the freed peoples had nothing. They had no land, no where to live, no food, and no money. And yet, they didn&amp;#39;t say &amp;quot;let&amp;#39;s go back to being slaves!&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You see, freedom and the pain it can sometimes cause, is far more preferrable to living under the yoke of another.&amp;nbsp;I&amp;#39;m willing to bet that most people would say that they would rather die free than live as a slave. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ah, but then they were released into the world in which they new, even to a limited amount, even if all they new was the plantation when venturing off it for the first time they saw what they were used to seeing ie sky, fields, houses, people etc.... They new in some small part about the world in which they lived. They had an idea how to survive the environment. The difference here is that all Humans even those who are completely dependant on the simulation, would be released into a hostile alien environment, nothing familiar whatsoever. Can you say that all the people in your examples survived to die of natural causes?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:26:25 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Sphairo wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;PS10N wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;None of the nearly half-million people in New Zion is starving, thank you.&amp;nbsp; Unlike Machinists, we Zionists don&amp;#39;t need programs to think for us or sentient machines to relieve us of responsibility and choice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our minds are our own, and we take responsibility for our own actions and choices. Claiming that we don&amp;#39;t is only showing how your propaganda is ever unchanging and ludicrous. I don&amp;#39;t ever expect you to stop with your preaching, as the only way you will ever know the truth is to be in our position and you are either to scared or too ignorant to ever even consider looking at things from our point of view.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You surely cannot believe that if you released all blues that they will be fed and housed nice and comfortably in New Zion, not only will there not be enough room to move, but disease and crime would run rampant as it has throughout human history when close proximity and limited resources were forced on people. There would be no other choice then for people to live outside of New Zion.. almost certainly condemning a number of them to death from starvation, cold, and hostile environments. As Lyr says, that&amp;#39;s only if they don&amp;#39;t die of shock initially.... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Surely you can see this happening, tell me you are not blind to this problem?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;If one of the main goals (on all sides) is to work together like everyone preaches, then some sort of agreement could be reached for housing the population.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; A singularity between both species could be achieved and that wouldn&amp;#39;t be a problem. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is exactly what I mean. Some of our friends here only see Zion&amp;#39;s side... survival of the Human race... no mention of the Machines, yet they will still require their help even if only initially to build whatever is needed for them to survive. While I&amp;#39;ve always said cooperation is the key, there are many others who just can&amp;#39;t see it and would rather see the end of the Machines first...&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:30:43 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;PS10N wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;None of the nearly half-million people in New Zion is starving, thank you.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe not now...but try doubling your population.&amp;nbsp; Then double it again.&amp;nbsp; Now multiply it by 300.&amp;nbsp; That&amp;#39;s the low-end estimate of the number of humans in the Matrix.&amp;nbsp; I believe the actual number is much higher.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Take off your blinders and look around.&amp;nbsp; There is no possible way you can support the population of the Matrix in Zion or New Zion.&amp;nbsp; To free everyone without a place where they all can live and without the resources to produce food for all of them is to subject the vast majority of humanity to a death sentence.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<title>Re:[9.1.3] Enough information to get a message through - Syntax - 11/29/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;This is highly debateable, but nevertheless, it may have some truth. &lt;p&gt;Yet when the slaves of Egypt were freed, they wandered in the desert for years. They never said, &amp;quot;hey, let&amp;#39;s turn around and go back to being slaves.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When slavery met its end in the free world, the freed peoples had nothing. They had no land, no where to live, no food, and no money. And yet, they didn&amp;#39;t say &amp;quot;let&amp;#39;s go back to being slaves!&amp;quot; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You see, freedom and the pain it can sometimes cause, is far more preferrable to living under the yoke of another.&amp;nbsp;I&amp;#39;m willing to bet that most people would say that they would rather die free than live as a slave. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ah, but then they were released into the world in which they new, even to a limited amount, even if all they new was the plantation when venturing off it for the first time they saw what they were used to seeing ie sky, fields, houses, people etc.... They new in some small part about the world in which they lived. They had an idea how to survive the environment. The difference here is that all Humans even those who are completely dependant on the simulation, would be released into a hostile alien environment, nothing familiar whatsoever. Can you say that all the people in your examples survived to die of natural causes?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nothing familiar whatsoever? What do you call you and me? Sure the world is darker and colder but it isn&amp;#39;t as diffrent as you want to make it out to be. There are people there to help them and guide them as they adjust. The hostilities within the real are nothing compared to in the Matrix. Checked Mara? When isn&amp;#39;t there a fight there. In the real you have to worry about sentinels and getting your jacked pulled&amp;nbsp;while in the Matrix&amp;nbsp;you have lupins, blood drinkers, succubi, nightmares, fly creatures, code dripping men, black garbed commandos, the list goes on. They are all in there&amp;nbsp;looking for a fight and whats worse is a bluepills have no means what so ever to combat these things in a straight fight. Hell half the redpills out there still have trouble with a few.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Freedom comes at a cost, you have to give up the security of the control placed over you if you want to be free and some want that. Again get rid of the bias and see that&amp;nbsp;Zion and EPN&amp;nbsp;aren&amp;#39;t intersted in forceing freedom on anyone.&amp;nbsp;They arn&amp;#39;t looking to shove an unwanted truth in peoples faces.&amp;nbsp;They just want&amp;nbsp;everyone to know&amp;nbsp;that the&amp;nbsp;option is there if they are intrested.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:01:59 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.1.3] Enough information to get a message through - Syntax - 11/29/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Illyria22 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;PS10N wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;None of the nearly half-million people in New Zion is starving, thank you.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe not now...but try doubling your population.&amp;nbsp; Then double it again.&amp;nbsp; Now multiply it by 300.&amp;nbsp; That&amp;#39;s the low-end estimate of the number of humans in the Matrix.&amp;nbsp; I believe the actual number is much higher.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Take off your blinders and look around.&amp;nbsp; There is no possible way you can support the population of the Matrix in Zion or New Zion.&amp;nbsp; To free everyone without a place where they all can live and without the resources to produce food for all of them is to subject the vast majority of humanity to a death sentence.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;That&amp;#39;s where the sigularity could come into play, machines and humans working together, building houses and infrastructure for the people still connected to the matrix.&amp;nbsp; This isn&amp;#39;t happening because both sides are too busy pointing fingers and blaming each other for past events/mistakes.&amp;nbsp; You should look to the future now. &lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:32:16 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.1.3] Enough information to get a message through - Syntax - 11/29/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;Ah, but then they were released into the world in which they new, even to a limited amount, even if all they new was the plantation when venturing off it for the first time they saw what they were used to seeing ie sky, fields, houses, people etc.... They new in some small part about the world in which they lived. They had an idea how to survive the environment. The difference here is that all Humans even those who are completely dependant on the simulation, would be released into a hostile alien environment, nothing familiar whatsoever. Can you say that all the people in your examples survived to die of natural causes?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nothing familiar whatsoever? What do you call you and me? Sure the world is darker and colder but it isn&amp;#39;t as diffrent as you want to make it out to be. There are people there to help them and guide them as they adjust. The hostilities within the real are nothing compared to in the Matrix. Checked Mara? When isn&amp;#39;t there a fight there. In the real you have to worry about sentinels and getting your jacked pulled&amp;nbsp;while in the Matrix&amp;nbsp;you have lupins, blood drinkers, succubi, nightmares, fly creatures, code dripping men, black garbed commandos, the list goes on. They are all in there&amp;nbsp;looking for a fight and whats worse is a bluepills have no means what so ever to combat these things in a straight fight. Hell half the redpills out there still have trouble with a few.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Freedom comes at a cost, you have to give up the security of the control placed over you if you want to be free and some want that. Again get rid of the bias and see that&amp;nbsp;Zion and EPN&amp;nbsp;aren&amp;#39;t intersted in forceing freedom on anyone.&amp;nbsp;They arn&amp;#39;t looking to shove an unwanted truth in peoples faces.&amp;nbsp;They just want&amp;nbsp;everyone to know&amp;nbsp;that the&amp;nbsp;option is there if they are intrested.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;So you&amp;#39;re saying that bluepills are able to see and know exactly what those things are within the Simulation? Last I heard there were only ghost stories made up about them. Just because we can see them for what they are doesn&amp;#39;t mean that they do or that it can&amp;#39;t be explained away to them. As for Mara... see many bluepills pass through there? As far as they know it&amp;#39;s just a gangland hotspot. Whereas out in the real, there&amp;#39;s the realisation of no more human society, at least none that they recognise as normal, completely different way of living and as mentioned before not enough space for everyone, and that&amp;#39;s just the tip of humans, what no one seems to recognise is the fact that most bluepills are dependant on the simulation, removal alone would most likely kill them. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To those dependant on the system the option for the truth alone would give them strong hints at the veil, if not show them that the world is a farce altogether and if they didn&amp;#39;t reject the system there and then and subsequently die, it would probably be likely that they&amp;#39;d end up going crazy. By giving them the option you would most likely end up seriously affecting their lives... and not for the best either.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:06:33 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Croesis</author>
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<title>Re:[9.1.3] Enough information to get a message through - Syntax - 11/29/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;Ah, but then they were released into the world in which they new, even to a limited amount, even if all they new was the plantation when venturing off it for the first time they saw what they were used to seeing ie sky, fields, houses, people etc.... They new in some small part about the world in which they lived. They had an idea how to survive the environment. The difference here is that all Humans even those who are completely dependant on the simulation, would be released into a hostile alien environment, nothing familiar whatsoever. Can you say that all the people in your examples survived to die of natural causes?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nothing familiar whatsoever? What do you call you and me? Sure the world is darker and colder but it isn&amp;#39;t as diffrent as you want to make it out to be. There are people there to help them and guide them as they adjust. The hostilities within the real are nothing compared to in the Matrix. Checked Mara? When isn&amp;#39;t there a fight there. In the real you have to worry about sentinels and getting your jacked pulled&amp;nbsp;while in the Matrix&amp;nbsp;you have lupins, blood drinkers, succubi, nightmares, fly creatures, code dripping men, black garbed commandos, the list goes on. They are all in there&amp;nbsp;looking for a fight and whats worse is a bluepills have no means what so ever to combat these things in a straight fight. Hell half the redpills out there still have trouble with a few.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Freedom comes at a cost, you have to give up the security of the control placed over you if you want to be free and some want that. Again get rid of the bias and see that&amp;nbsp;Zion and EPN&amp;nbsp;aren&amp;#39;t intersted in forceing freedom on anyone.&amp;nbsp;They arn&amp;#39;t looking to shove an unwanted truth in peoples faces.&amp;nbsp;They just want&amp;nbsp;everyone to know&amp;nbsp;that the&amp;nbsp;option is there if they are intrested.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;So you&amp;#39;re saying that bluepills are able to see and know exactly what those things are within the Simulation? Last I heard there were only ghost stories made up about them. Just because we can see them for what they are doesn&amp;#39;t mean that they do or that it can&amp;#39;t be explained away to them. As for Mara... see many bluepills pass through there? As far as they know it&amp;#39;s just a gangland hotspot. Whereas out in the real, there&amp;#39;s the realisation of no more human society, at least none that they recognise as normal, completely different way of living and as mentioned before not enough space for everyone, and that&amp;#39;s just the tip of humans, what no one seems to recognise is the fact that most bluepills are dependant on the simulation, removal alone would most likely kill them. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To those dependant on the system the option for the truth alone would give them strong hints at the veil, if not show them that the world is a farce altogether and if they didn&amp;#39;t reject the system there and then and subsequently die, it would probably be likely that they&amp;#39;d end up going crazy. By giving them the option you would most likely end up seriously affecting their lives... and not for the best either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please don&amp;#39;t even try and make them out to be comepltly ignorant of us. Infact it puts them more at risk because then they don&amp;#39;t know whats out there and waiting in the shadows. Ghost stories is the way your system accounts for them and keeps the act going even with all the hitches. Read the paper and you see these stories throughout it dipiciting the fights they carry out in every district. No they can very much see them and even if they couldn&amp;#39;t the feeling is still there. Also might I remind you that Anome and the Intruder were very real to some bluepills and not just urban legends.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mara&amp;nbsp;was just an example and a fragment of what the city is full of. Your trying to make this city out to be some deserted wasteland to bluepills when in fact you can still find the same people throught the stores and churchs liveing their lives in the middle of this caos. Its the same everywhere. Tabor Park, Manseen, Murasaki, Creston Heights. All filled if with if not redpills then gang members all looking for something to shoot. How they interprit&amp;nbsp;what is going on doesn&amp;#39;t nullify the danger they are still in because those bullets may not be real to us but to them its quiet a diffrent story.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And I take it you forgot what the bluepill was for in all this. Makes you forget. The option to know the truth isn&amp;#39;t some all powerful thing that once you know you can&amp;#39;t forget about. How many blues out there have been aprotched and took the bluepill and are still liveing happily ever after? In fact I wonder if you have ever given thought to the idea of exactly what&amp;nbsp;teh truth really is&amp;nbsp;and why &amp;quot;No one can be told what the Matrix is&amp;quot;. Our truth is so unbelieveable that the only people that could possibly give the idea any potintial to being true are either mind jobs are those that subconciously know it. Why is it safe to give everyone the option, because no one would take anyone up on it unless they are apart of that 1%.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:18:44 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.1.3] Enough information to get a message through - Syntax - 11/29/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;So you&amp;#39;re saying that bluepills are able to see and know exactly what those things are within the Simulation? Last I heard there were only ghost stories made up about them. Just because we can see them for what they are doesn&amp;#39;t mean that they do or that it can&amp;#39;t be explained away to them. As for Mara... see many bluepills pass through there? As far as they know it&amp;#39;s just a gangland hotspot. Whereas out in the real, there&amp;#39;s the realisation of no more human society, at least none that they recognise as normal, completely different way of living and as mentioned before not enough space for everyone, and that&amp;#39;s just the tip of humans, what no one seems to recognise is the fact that most bluepills are dependant on the simulation, removal alone would most likely kill them. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To those dependant on the system the option for the truth alone would give them strong hints at the veil, if not show them that the world is a farce altogether and if they didn&amp;#39;t reject the system there and then and subsequently die, it would probably be likely that they&amp;#39;d end up going crazy. By giving them the option you would most likely end up seriously affecting their lives... and not for the best either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please don&amp;#39;t even try and make them out to be comepltly ignorant of us. Infact it puts them more at risk because then they don&amp;#39;t know whats out there and waiting in the shadows. Ghost stories is the way your system accounts for them and keeps the act going even with all the hitches. Read the paper and you see these stories throughout it dipiciting the fights they carry out in every district. No they can very much see them and even if they couldn&amp;#39;t the feeling is still there. Also might I remind you that Anome and the Intruder were very real to some bluepills and not just urban legends.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mara&amp;nbsp;was just an example and a fragment of what the city is full of. Your trying to make this city out to be some deserted wasteland to bluepills when in fact you can still find the same people throught the stores and churchs liveing their lives in the middle of this caos. Its the same everywhere. Tabor Park, Manseen, Murasaki, Creston Heights. All filled if with if not redpills then gang members all looking for something to shoot. How they interprit&amp;nbsp;what is going on doesn&amp;#39;t nullify the danger they are still in because those bullets may not be real to us but to them its quiet a diffrent story.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And I take it you forgot what the bluepill was for in all this. Makes you forget. The option to know the truth isn&amp;#39;t some all powerful thing that once you know you can&amp;#39;t forget about. How many blues out there have been aprotched and took the bluepill and are still liveing happily ever after? In fact I wonder if you have ever given thought to the idea of exactly what&amp;nbsp;teh truth really is&amp;nbsp;and why &amp;quot;No one can be told what the Matrix is&amp;quot;. Our truth is so unbelieveable that the only people that could possibly give the idea any potintial to being true are either mind jobs are those that subconciously know it. Why is it safe to give everyone the option, because no one would take anyone up on it unless they are apart of that 1%.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I didn&amp;#39;t say they were completely ignorant, but for them anything that we can see plainly can be attempted to be explained away by their &lt;i&gt;own&lt;/i&gt; mind.... I mean ghosts, vampires... stuff of stories isn&amp;#39;t it... to them.... Anome and The intruder are different cases, the blues may not have known about Anome&amp;#39;s powers or their origins, but they saw the man and the results of his actions. And the Intruder is a threat because his true nature just rips through the thin veil of &amp;#39;reality&amp;#39; for the blues. I never said they weren&amp;#39;t in danger but their own explanations would prevent their revealing the nature of the city to them. Gangland culture is as present to them as it was to our ancestors....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The bluepill makes you forget the encounter sure... but does it erase the splinter of the mind that what is around you isn&amp;#39;t real? If one of the 1% takes the bluepill... would all of their doubts simply disappear? completely? for the rest of their lives? Same with the other 99%, granted it probably won&amp;#39;t be that common, but telling them about a big dark secret could cause doubts to appear in their minds before the chance to take the pill and the same questions stand then.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you were going to free the Human race en mass, doing it one person at a time with a choice of two pills would take a long long time, you&amp;#39;d have to present it by media or to crowds and then... you can never be sure to get the correct pills to the right people.....&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:54:50 GMT</pubDate>
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