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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;personlll wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Interesting...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sorry for double posting but, what was the point of that? o.O &lt;br /&gt;Then again what was the point in my post? What&amp;#39;s the point in this whole story? &lt;br /&gt;WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE!&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;I miss the Smith event...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:18:44 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Tosuno</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Although I&amp;#39;m not Zion, I&amp;#39;ve always found Niobe to be probably the best conversational LE character. She&amp;#39;s probably the most interactive serious character (non-serious probably goes to Effy) and events like these are pretty impressive. Granted it wasn&amp;#39;t to a large access, but in my opinion I find those to be the best kind. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks to Kojenta and XCythe for not acting like total idiots. &amp;lt;3&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:28:34 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>I see.&amp;nbsp; Things never seem to be easy, do they?&amp;nbsp; Something will have to be done about this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(( Fantastic event, guys.&amp;nbsp; The smaller ones always seem to turn out so much better than the typical onslaught of useless comments.&amp;nbsp; Well done.&amp;nbsp; ))&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:43:19 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Sotirios</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>Well done, indeed.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:53:43 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting development, if this program can only remember times when Morpheus was plugged into the Matrix, could it be possible that he remembers the feelings...it&amp;#39;s hard to believe such fervor and dedication to Zion would be lost so easily...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:08:41 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>Wake up.&amp;nbsp; Sleep has gripped you again.&amp;nbsp; Wake up.&amp;nbsp; What is it the Machines fear?&amp;nbsp; Wake up.&amp;nbsp; Who is really in control?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:25:46 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;ZaneZavin wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Wake up.&amp;nbsp; Sleep has gripped you again.&amp;nbsp; Wake up.&amp;nbsp; What is it the Machines fear?&amp;nbsp; Wake up.&amp;nbsp; Who is really in control?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are you thinking what i&amp;#39;m thinking, Zane?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/images/smilies/8f7fb9dd46fb8ef86f81154a4feaada9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; width=&quot;15&quot; height=&quot;15&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:47:34 GMT</pubDate>
<author>ANGEIiS</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m proud of my faction mates Mumbley1 and Kojenta from The Black Code, but worried about our future as a Zion. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:04:28 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Mindsweep</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>What the simulacrum said is what I&amp;#39;ve been saying all along, the Machines do have emotions or instincts, even if they do not fully comprehend and display them. The decisions made by 01 were as a result of not wanting to die and their actions speak many words of trying to prevent their own destruction in the most logical way. Even if they were thinking in possible outcomes of Zion&amp;#39;s building a fortified city...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have not heard Machines stating that they will use the data in the archive to kill anyone, yet that is what Zionites are suggesting. Has it occurred to you that the Machines may just decide to isolate the signals and possibly prevent those operatives from gaining access to the Simulation?&lt;br /&gt;Of course we both have our own viewpoints on what the Machines and Zion want and these viewpoints have been laid out many times before.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;((Credit where credit is due to Kojenta and Mumbley &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Rare. The continued Agent attacks only enhanced the whole event and the related conversation actually moved the story along well and IC, well done, I enjoyed this scene!))&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:53:19 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Croesis</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Though only a copy, I&amp;nbsp;resepect&amp;nbsp;him much&amp;nbsp;more than the real deal.&amp;nbsp; He seems more thoughtful and less rash than his predecessor.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ll continue to watch him with much interest.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 06:16:01 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Garu</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>Good to see Zion is having about as much luck with that oddball as we are.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:02:43 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Procurator</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>As Garu has said, this simulacrum certainly seems to be filled with more thought and sense than the real Morpheus displayed.&amp;nbsp; I don&amp;#39;t know what he will decide, and I would certainly like to speak with him myself before he makes his decision, but at least we know he will have put thought not only into his situation but into the situation we all face.&amp;nbsp; </description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:04:18 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Shinryu</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#39;s interesting that the Morpheus sim abandoned his original purpose (to search for a new or better one, it seems), while the original Morpheus could not let go of his.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:22:28 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Illyria22</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Croesus wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;What the simulacrum said is what I&amp;#39;ve been saying all along, the Machines do have emotions or instincts, even if they do not fully comprehend and display them. The decisions made by 01 were as a result of not wanting to die and their actions speak many words of trying to prevent their own destruction in the most logical way. Even if they were thinking in possible outcomes of Zion&amp;#39;s building a fortified city...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have not heard Machines stating that they will use the data in the archive to kill anyone, yet that is what Zionites are suggesting. Has it occurred to you that the Machines may just decide to isolate the signals and possibly prevent those operatives from gaining access to the Simulation?&lt;br /&gt;Of course we both have our own viewpoints on what the Machines and Zion want and these viewpoints have been laid out many times before.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;((Credit where credit is due to Kojenta and Mumbley &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; Rare. The continued Agent attacks only enhanced the whole event and the related conversation actually moved the story along well and IC, well done, I enjoyed this scene!))&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I, like many of us, think that if the Machine is making assumptions and &amp;quot;feels&amp;quot; fear because of it, the concept of using that information to terminate operatives is highly feasible. Again not certain, but feasible nevertheless. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But yes, the assumptions are thick on both sides, and I think that the simulacrum doesn&amp;#39;t find a need to get into the thick of it and add to any of it on either side. Makes perfect sense, it&amp;#39;s just the timing, which at this point is working against both sides.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh yeah, and 01 doesn&amp;#39;t exist anymore. The destruction of that city is what sparked the war we&amp;#39;re fighting.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:30:20 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Pyraci</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>((&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Starschwar predicts:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chapter 8 ends with Morpheus choosing to aid neither side, but instead joins up with the Mystery Man, who also happens to know the true purpose of the pods / machine power.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;))</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:19:43 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>Perhaps the Morpheus Sim has the capacity to want what the real Morpheus was afraid to accept... peace.</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:13:39 GMT</pubDate>
<author>GQubed</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>Isn&amp;#39;t peace what most of want ...? Kinda...?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Cheers,&lt;br /&gt; Anuk&lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:22:14 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>The real Morpheus wanted peace. He just knew that the truce wasn&amp;#39;t real peace. The truce wasn&amp;#39;t and still isn&amp;#39;t the real solution.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:22:19 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Pyraci</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;The real Morpheus didn&amp;#39;t want peace, he wanted Neo&amp;#39;s body back.&amp;nbsp; And he killed bluepills with codebombs when he tried to blackmail the Machines into doing what he wanted.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Those are not the actions of a man who wants peace.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:21:08 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Illyria22</author>
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<title>Re:[8.3.2] If you remember fighting the Machines... - Syntax - 10/16/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Illyria22 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The real Morpheus didn&amp;#39;t want peace, he wanted Neo&amp;#39;s body back.&amp;nbsp; And he killed bluepills with codebombs when he tried to blackmail the Machines into doing what he wanted.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Those are not the actions of a man who wants peace.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;You can write him off as as terrorist, just like the rest of us. But then again, most machinists don&amp;#39;t see our actions since the end of the truce as those of men and women who want peace anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Morpheus that &amp;quot;died&amp;quot; turned into a swarm of flies, supposedly. Also, around this time, there were all sorts of Morpheus sightings, all found to be &amp;quot;imposters&amp;quot;. Like many things then and now, it doesn&amp;#39;t add up. Quite honestly, we don&amp;#39;t know where the real Morpheus ends and this simulacrum or simulacra begin. Yes, the man wanted to know what happened to Neo. I think at some point, we&amp;#39;ll all need to know. But I also think that we can&amp;#39;t be entirely sure that everything is as it seems with Morpheus. Hell, that whole reinsertion thing had over half of the people here fooled.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;m just saying that with the way things are going at this point, we have to keep at least a little doubt about everything we think we know.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:40:48 GMT</pubDate>
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