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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Erythnul wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Procurator wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;You have done &lt;i&gt;no one&lt;/i&gt; a service by discovering it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Apart from themselves of course...&lt;/blockquote&gt;Complete denial with a side order of overly prideful. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well how about you tell us the good that&amp;#39;s come from it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Can&amp;#39;t. You all are too &amp;quot;efficient&amp;quot; beyond measure to even bother trying to hold a sincere conversation with. I&amp;#39;d rather talk to an automated service. I&amp;#39;d get more out of it than just your obviously expected, &amp;quot;You have done nothing for our organization. You have no purpose. Blah blah blah.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We can argue until the *poop* really hits the fan, but what does it all come down to, really, between our ways?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:10:47 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Erythnul wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Can&amp;#39;t. You all are too &amp;quot;efficient&amp;quot; beyond measure to even bother trying to hold a sincere conversation with. I&amp;#39;d rather talk to an automated service. I&amp;#39;d get more out of it than just your obviously expected, &amp;quot;You have done nothing for our organization. You have no purpose. Blah blah blah.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We can argue until the *poop* really hits the fan, but what does it all come down to, really, between our ways?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;A sincere conversation is one that you can provide reasoning for what your saying, if you can&amp;#39;t do that then I agree it is pointless. Oh and I don&amp;#39;t think you have done nothing for the Machines at all. Machinists usually want to understand the Machines&amp;nbsp;reasoning, ask question and provide alternate avenues of action, you are the easiest option for something to be done quickly without question which usually involves violance which satify&amp;#39;s the Cyph need for&amp;nbsp;it. However, I can&amp;#39;t see anything good that has come from what you&amp;#39;ve done.</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:19:28 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Erythnul wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Can&amp;#39;t. You all are too &amp;quot;efficient&amp;quot; beyond measure to even bother trying to hold a sincere conversation with. I&amp;#39;d rather talk to an automated service. I&amp;#39;d get more out of it than just your obviously expected, &amp;quot;You have done nothing for our organization. You have no purpose. Blah blah blah.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We can argue until the *poop* really hits the fan, but what does it all come down to, really, between our ways?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ah now, not only can you not converse with us, but you seem to be unable to characterise us properly either. When have we brough up efficiency? Why are the Machinists continually berated for their love of efficiency when in actuality it&amp;#39;s the &lt;i&gt;Machines&lt;/i&gt; that are such sticklers for it? And even then it&amp;#39;s not as clear&amp;nbsp;cut as people like to think it is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We aren&amp;#39;t 100% efficient. We&amp;#39;re just &lt;i&gt;better&lt;/i&gt;. Better strategists, better combatants (if the other night is anything to go by) and better people.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:26:25 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Procurator</author>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Procurator wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ah-hahahah! You&amp;#39;re a little late to all this, aren&amp;#39;t you? I&amp;#39;ve covered it a thousand times before.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although I think you missed the point I made about New Zion: its discovery did nothing but make everyone&amp;#39;s lives a misery. Now we&amp;#39;re at war, a war which several Machinists find to be a waste, and which is doing nothing to improve the future for anyone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What would have happened if you hadn&amp;#39;t found it? Nothing worth bothering with. Zion would have moved in its entirety to New Zion and then... what? Again, nothing. They&amp;#39;d be holed up in their little bomb shelter unable to do jack. The technicalities of the Truce aside, I don&amp;#39;t see any reason for Zion to not have a cute little fortified base, especially if they can&amp;#39;t do anything against the Machines from it. I&amp;#39;ll freely admit I think the Machines overreacted to New Zion&amp;#39;s existence. You have done &lt;i&gt;no one&lt;/i&gt; a service by discovering it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The strike against Old Zion? Yeah, that was a really critical move, wasn&amp;#39;t it? Pfft. It still puzzles me why the Machines bothered to tear it down at all. Probably just having a bad day and wanted to wreck something. So they sent you lot to do it instead of the Machinists who were allowed to get on with their jobs. And if the Machines were that intent on destroying Old Zion,&amp;nbsp;if&amp;nbsp;they&amp;nbsp;saw&amp;nbsp;it&amp;nbsp;as&amp;nbsp;a&amp;nbsp;truly&amp;nbsp;critical&amp;nbsp;goal, they&amp;#39;d have just done it entirely by themselves by sending swarms of Sentinels at it like usual. They didn&amp;#39;t need you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And now you&amp;#39;re going to question my worth? Heh. If you want to know what people like me have achieved, at least do me the courtesy of reading my public profile. Here, I&amp;#39;ll make it easy for you: &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/user/profile.m?user_id=634&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...e.m?user_id=634&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for your last paragraph... oh, that one&amp;#39;s too sweet. First of all, we were not muzzled and leashed during the Truce. I mean, muzzled against what exactly? Oh yeah, naturally we &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; wanted to get out of the shackles of our employment and go kill Zionites. &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; width=&quot;15&quot; height=&quot;15&quot; /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Are you &lt;i&gt;whacked?&lt;/i&gt; We were at peace, or on the smooth road to achieving it properly! And we were loving it. &lt;i&gt;You&lt;/i&gt; were the ones running about ruining it for everyone, along with EPN.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And&amp;nbsp;now, the difference between us is clear. You&amp;#39;ve got your war and you love it; finally a chance to really kill more Redpills! And us? No, we&amp;#39;d rather not, thank you. The&amp;nbsp;more militarisitic among us will follow orders during this war as and when they come down, and the rest of us will try to avoid combat whenever possible. Who&amp;#39;s the better human being?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So you wrote a virus which allowed your handlers to find the location of some rogue sentinels in the Real huh? That&amp;#39;s somewhat impressive, I&amp;#39;ll give you that. As for the rest of it, I had my doubts that you&amp;#39;d let common sense get in your way sooooo one last time here before I depart and allow you to have the last, though futile, word which is pretty much all your type is good for.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So it was our discovery of New Zion that made everyone&amp;#39;s life a misery? You actually having the balls to make such an idiotic statement is kind of puzzling so let me ask you a question here. You do realize that one of the main factors leading up to war is a strategic defensive build up don&amp;#39;t you? No really, go check it out and ummm I find it awfully difficult to believe that even you wouldn&amp;#39;t know this already. So you should probably adjust that little statement of yours by saying that Zion building New Zion made everyone&amp;#39;s life a misery. And if you really find the war to be that much of a waste then you could always sit on the sidelines and complain. Oh wait...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So now you say they&amp;#39;re holed up in their little bomb shelter, but they are able to &amp;quot;do jack&amp;quot;. They operate pretty much exactly the way they did before moving except now they don&amp;#39;t have to much fear the Machines entering their city. It&amp;#39;s already well known that they were awakening more than what they were supposed to which was breaking the truce. It&amp;#39;s also pretty obvious that this new city wasn&amp;#39;t beuilt in a matter of weeks. Safe to say that construction on it started before the ink on the truce dried. I&amp;#39;m sure their sneaking around and building an entire, heavily fortified city while not mentioning it was just an oversight. Anyway, now they&amp;#39;re down there, roam around as they please in the simulation and if they decide to mount any kind of an assault, you won&amp;#39;t be able to &amp;quot;do jack&amp;quot;. See you&amp;#39;re ignoring a few facts that I previously pointed out so let&amp;#39;s move on to them shall we?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The strike against Old Zion wasn&amp;#39;t important? I wasn&amp;#39;t even giving you credit for being that ignorant and believe me, I was giving you a hell of a lot of credit. So let&amp;#39;s just allow people who&amp;#39;ve secretly been building the previously mentioned city awakening far more than they were supposed to and who knows what else to just pack up everyone and everything and move on. Absolutely brilliant. While we&amp;#39;re at it, why don&amp;#39;t we offer to help them move too? Maybe ask them if they have enough EMP&amp;#39;s or if they feel they need to awaken another 10,000 to make sure they have enough to do whatever it is they might have in mind for the buildup they&amp;#39;ve already done. Do you really actually think about this stuff before you say it? I mean with Machinists like you, who needs Zionites? As for not needing us for the assault, remember that little virus you&amp;#39;re so proud of and what it did? Remember the losses your handlers took at Stalingrad? They needed us so they didn&amp;#39;t have to commit all of their sentinels to the attack and possibly leave the Machine City defensless. You&amp;#39;re probably a little too short sighted to have been able to figure that out on your own so glad I could help.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;My previously last paragraph, yeah it was pretty sweet. Yes, you were muzzled and leashed. You weren&amp;#39;t really allowed to act against Zion when they were breaking guidelines of the truce for one. That much should have been painfully obvious. Oh and allow me, I&amp;#39;m just a murderous bastard, blah blah.......I&amp;#39;ve heard it before. Think what you want but the whole point of a truce is to operate under set guidelines. One of the reasons your bosses allowed us to operate was that we weren&amp;#39;t part of the truce. Another is because we are effective and pretty good at what we do. Again, that&amp;#39;s why they call us instead of little lap dogs most of the time. And you talk about laughing at something, &amp;quot;We were at peace&amp;quot;, one of the best I&amp;#39;ve heard! See the above points I&amp;#39;ve made building said heavily fortified city and also awakening as many as possible to increase their numbers. Both of those are extraordinary exmples of peaceful intentions...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now enjoy having your last word.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:30:46 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23/08</title>
<description>You&amp;#39;re not going to reply to this, eh? Good, that&amp;#39;s a weight off my mind. I do have other things to do today, believe it or not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;m not an expert in the art or causes of warfare, but I don&amp;#39;t need to be to see that many wars were completely futile and in no one&amp;#39;s interests. This one especially, considering any build up of defenses is, when you think about it, pointless. Pointless to do and pointless to counter. Do not underestimate the might of the Machine Civilisation. No defenses would keep them out forever, and no time in safety will allow Zion to build a war machine capable of seriously challenging the Machines. That&amp;#39;s why I don&amp;#39;t care about New Zion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But let&amp;#39;s say it somehow did become a problem. Let&amp;#39;s follow the idea that Zion can continue to wake up minds. How do they do this? They jack in. Can they jack in from within New Zion? Not that I&amp;#39;m aware of. But even if they could, all the Machines have to do is block any and all signals coming from the area of New Zion. We know it&amp;#39;s possible: just yesterday ore fields got in the way of hovercraft transmissions, delaying the result of the battle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Same goes for New Zion sending out ships to broadcast outside New Zion. The solution is so pitifully simple it mystifies me why it hasn&amp;#39;t been tried yet (and I can only assume it&amp;#39;s a matter of time before it is): blockade New Zion. We can&amp;#39;t get in, sure, but we can sure as hell stop anyone else getting in or out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regarding the muzzled and leashed thing, you missed the point again. We didn&amp;#39;t &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to act against Zion. Oh yes, they&amp;#39;ve made countless mistakes. New Zion was stupid alright, I won&amp;#39;t deny that. The Proletariat of Zion in general, they are &lt;i&gt;profoundly&lt;/i&gt; stupid at times; why do you think we left them in the first place? But despite their mistakes - and the mistakes of the Machines (the forming of the Cypherites stands out there) - we&amp;#39;ve strived for peace above all else. Some of us have the intelligence to see a higher cause, and it&amp;#39;s this same desire for peace that prevents people like me from taking a keen interest in the war.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The war won&amp;#39;t last forever, and I doubt it will end with any significant event either: New Zion will be left standing, as will Zero-One. And when a truce is in place once more, how will Zion react to people who sided with the Cypherites during this war? How will they react to those who followed the Machines&amp;#39; orders to the letter without so much as questioning their sense? I will &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; go down in history as a supporter of senseless murder.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:55:23 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Procurator</author>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23/08</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#39;s been duly noted, Procurator.&amp;nbsp; You don&amp;#39;t like us and we couldn&amp;#39;t care less about you or your band of peace-loving soldiers&amp;nbsp;for human morality.&amp;nbsp; Rest assured, however,&amp;nbsp;we &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; you to continue your quest for a &amp;quot;higher cause&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp; For all the tasks you question, for all the dreamers you allow to be awakened, our reason to be here will only grow stronger.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So I suppose &amp;quot;thanks&amp;quot; are in order.&amp;nbsp; Keep those hands clean so that we may continue to dirty ours!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:29:59 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23/08</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmm, Proc, you know you&amp;#39;re in the minority amongst&amp;nbsp;your fellow&amp;nbsp;Machinists in feeling the way you do towards the Podhuggers? I&amp;#39;d say, oh&amp;nbsp;. . . 95% of all Machinists would side with Cypherites just because it&amp;#39;s a chance to fight Zion/EPN/Mervs. The holier-than-thou horse you&amp;#39;re riding on is not as high as you might think, pal.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And I have to wonder just what the hell Veil was thinking sending the Cyphs into this fight. A full on frontal assault? Sneak attack, maybe. Suicide mission, possibly. But to go into ship-to-ship combat&amp;nbsp;against battle-hardened ship captains and veterans? That&amp;#39;s just insane! Why the hell do you people listen to her? *CENSORED*, I wouldn&amp;#39;t follow Cryptos if it meant my life, but hell, I wouldn&amp;#39;t follow Veil even to the &lt;i&gt;bathroom&lt;/i&gt; for crying out loud! You people better wake up before that psychotic *CENSORED* gets you all killed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:02:16 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>EPN knew that Cypherites stole the data on the rendez-vous point. We were expecting resistance, and thus, had to provide adequate forces.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:06:14 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hmm, Proc, you know you&amp;#39;re in the minority amongst&amp;nbsp;your fellow&amp;nbsp;Machinists in feeling the way you do towards the Podhuggers? I&amp;#39;d say, oh&amp;nbsp;. . . 95% of all Machinists would side with Cypherites just because it&amp;#39;s a chance to fight Zion/EPN/Mervs. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;While I&amp;#39;ll freely admit the numbers aren&amp;#39;t as high as I&amp;#39;d like them to be, I sincerely doubt that they are as small as you believe.</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:37:55 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Stanten wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;It&amp;#39;s already well known that they were awakening more than what they were supposed to which was breaking the truce. &lt;p&gt;So let&amp;#39;s just allow people who&amp;#39;ve secretly been building the previously mentioned city awakening far more than they were supposed to and who knows what else to just pack up everyone and everything and move on.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;That&amp;#39;s pretty funny, coming from a Cypherite.&amp;nbsp; You people think that awakening one person is too many.&amp;nbsp; Perhaps this devastating loss will motivate you to overcome your fear of the real world and get some more experience battling other hovercrafts.&amp;nbsp; (Sneaking on someone&amp;#39;s hovercraft and pulling their jacks does not count as a battle.)&amp;nbsp; Also, when you look at how much more experience all of the other teams in this battle had, it &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be obvious that most people do not share your fear of the real world, and therefore you shouldn&amp;#39;t stop them from being awakened.&amp;nbsp; But I don&amp;#39;t expect you to realize that.</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:44:02 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>I&amp;#39;m not going to quote Proc and go down his points in single order. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I could, and agree with him on some and disagree on others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But there isn&amp;#39;t a main point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead I&amp;#39;m going to respond to what he&amp;#39;s said in one general sweep.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Proc, you want peace. I want peace. Alot of us want peace. However &amp;quot;New Zion&amp;quot; and the trends of the Zion High Command were not and will continue TO not lead us to peace. The &amp;quot;ask how high when we say jump&amp;quot; nature of the Machines was also not leading us to peace.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The best means we have of ever seeing peace is to remove and replace the bad seeds that have led us to our current position. That means sometimes doing things underhanded, secretive and cruel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peace is possible, but it&amp;#39;s only going to become renewed at the cost of blood, sad but true.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:49:34 GMT</pubDate>
<author>NightTrace</author>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Omega0 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps this devastating loss will motivate you to overcome your fear of the real world and get some more experience battling other hovercrafts.&amp;nbsp; (Sneaking on someone&amp;#39;s hovercraft and pulling their jacks does not count as a battle.)&amp;nbsp; Also, when you look at how much more experience all of the other teams in this battle had, it &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be obvious that most people do not share your fear of the real world, and therefore you shouldn&amp;#39;t stop them from being awakened.&amp;nbsp; But I don&amp;#39;t expect you to realize that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There&amp;#39;s nothing to fear in the Real, Omega0.&amp;nbsp; There&amp;#39;s nothing to rejoice about either.&amp;nbsp; </description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:52:22 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Haigen wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;There&amp;#39;s nothing to fear in the Real, Omega0.&amp;nbsp; There&amp;#39;s nothing to rejoice about either.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/blockquote&gt;A rousing game of ring around the burnedouthuskofeverymajorcityintheworld is in order no?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:56:22 GMT</pubDate>
<author>NightTrace</author>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Haigen wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Omega0 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps this devastating loss will motivate you to overcome your fear of the real world and get some more experience battling other hovercrafts.&amp;nbsp; (Sneaking on someone&amp;#39;s hovercraft and pulling their jacks does not count as a battle.)&amp;nbsp; Also, when you look at how much more experience all of the other teams in this battle had, it &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be obvious that most people do not share your fear of the real world, and therefore you shouldn&amp;#39;t stop them from being awakened.&amp;nbsp; But I don&amp;#39;t expect you to realize that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There&amp;#39;s nothing to fear in the Real, Omega0.&amp;nbsp; There&amp;#39;s nothing to rejoice about either.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There&amp;#39;s the truth, however harsh it may be.&amp;nbsp; Many people would rejoice about that.&amp;nbsp; But I guess some people care more about the truth than others.</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:00:48 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Omega0</author>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>&amp;quot;Truth&amp;quot; is a subjective word.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:04:36 GMT</pubDate>
<author>NightTrace</author>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>I believe peace is possible between Zion and the Machines, I believe that a truce is a vehicle for peace. But that vehicle will forever be prevented on reaching it&amp;#39;s destination as long as EPN and especially the Cyph organisations still exist.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:15:54 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Croesis</author>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>That depends on what you consider peace. I&amp;#39;ve come to realize that EPN and many of Zion think of peace as them being the &amp;quot;winners&amp;quot; and being able to force the mechs into something.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other side the Mechs think that free humans should do as their told, every time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Neither side is right, and neither side is willing to work for REAL peace.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thats the majority mind you.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:30:31 GMT</pubDate>
<author>NightTrace</author>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>My idea of peace, the one that I&amp;#39;ve always worked toward is that where Man and Machine can live together with little to no animosity toward each other (I honestly doubt that Mankind can live in complete peace with anyone including themselves, it&amp;#39;s possible that the Machines are the same) and work together for mutual benefit, or where Machine and Man leave each other alone and not interfere with each others business. Obviously the first is preferable. &lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:36:02 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Croesis</author>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>Great idea. I think it sounds familiar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now how do you plan on doing that with the current leaderships of BOTH sides and their ever conflicting stances?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:52:06 GMT</pubDate>
<author>NightTrace</author>
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<title>Re:[10.1.3] &quot;EPN transfers Lock to Zion due to a now safe and secure battlefield&quot; - Recursion - 4/23</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;NightTrace wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Great idea. I think it sounds familiar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now how do you plan on doing that with the current leaderships of BOTH sides and their ever conflicting stances?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well for one thing, try to get them to avoid taking the &amp;#39;easy&amp;#39; option in getting what they want. The reason why the Machines use the Cyphs is because you enjoy what you do and it&amp;#39;s more convenient for the Machines, without you they would be forced to deal with Machinists most of the time which means learning that there is always an option other than brute force. As for Zion, there&amp;#39;s not much I can do personally, that will be up to those Zionites who also want peace.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:01:17 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Croesis</author>
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