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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Omega0 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Procurator wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Omega0 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I know that.&amp;nbsp; My only point is that it makes more sense to call them &amp;quot;binary numbers&amp;quot; instead of &amp;quot;binary codes.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; Not that it really matters, it&amp;#39;s just kind of a pet peeve of mine.&lt;/blockquote&gt;They&amp;#39;re called codes because, once separated into bytes, they usually represent ASCII characters. A byte is just a value, a number, but it&amp;#39;s essentially a coded form of ASCII in these cases.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s not very accurate to say that.&amp;nbsp; What a binary number represents is entirely dependent on the context&amp;nbsp;(and they&amp;nbsp;are not always separated into bytes).&amp;nbsp; They&amp;nbsp;can be used to represent many different things, including integers, floating points, addresses, boolean values, ASCII characters,&amp;nbsp;or any other information that a computer might need.&amp;nbsp; (I&amp;#39;ve learned about this stuff in college.)&amp;nbsp; In this context, they don&amp;#39;t represent anything, they&amp;#39;re just clues.&amp;nbsp; I think that people were calling them codes because they don&amp;#39;t realize that binary is just another way to represent a number (before I became an electrical engineer, I didn&amp;#39;t realize that either).&lt;/blockquote&gt;Since you two are arguing (sort of)... here&amp;#39;s the Definitions of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_code&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Binary Code&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mathsisfun.com/binary-number-system.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Binary number&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 7 Feb 2008 19:41:38 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>So one tracked... Perhaps Pace can enlighten us to the reason these are so damned important?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 7 Feb 2008 20:00:18 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Updated with&amp;nbsp;compiled data scans of the Murphey incident. &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;Efficientemente,&lt;/i&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;Agent Pace&lt;br /&gt;System Liaison &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://TheMatrixOnline.station.sony.com/images/en/forum_posts/080205_murphey_syntax/001.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;1024&quot; height=&quot;768&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:14:10 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Omega0 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;It&amp;#39;s not very accurate to say that.&amp;nbsp; What a binary number represents is entirely dependent on the context&amp;nbsp;(and they&amp;nbsp;are not always separated into bytes).&amp;nbsp; They&amp;nbsp;can be used to represent many different things, including integers, floating points, addresses, boolean values, ASCII characters,&amp;nbsp;or any other information that a computer might need.&amp;nbsp; (I&amp;#39;ve learned about this stuff in college.)&amp;nbsp; In this context, they don&amp;#39;t represent anything, they&amp;#39;re just clues.&amp;nbsp; I think that people were calling them codes because they don&amp;#39;t realize that binary is just another way to represent a number (before I became an electrical engineer, I didn&amp;#39;t realize that either).&lt;/blockquote&gt;I know it&amp;#39;s dependent on the context, which was why I said &amp;#39;once separated into bytes&amp;#39; and &amp;#39;&lt;i&gt;usually&lt;/i&gt; represent ASCII characters&amp;#39;. And whenever binary comes up around here it&amp;#39;s invariably a sequence of ASCII characters. Anywhere else they could be numbers or codes with any meaning possible, but&lt;i&gt; here&lt;/i&gt; they&amp;#39;re always codes, so we might as well call them that.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 8 Feb 2008 00:08:50 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Procurator</author>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Poor guy - I hope we can help him get back to his senses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:13:49 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Procurator wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Omega0 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;It&amp;#39;s not very accurate to say that.&amp;nbsp; What a binary number represents is entirely dependent on the context&amp;nbsp;(and they&amp;nbsp;are not always separated into bytes).&amp;nbsp; They&amp;nbsp;can be used to represent many different things, including integers, floating points, addresses, boolean values, ASCII characters,&amp;nbsp;or any other information that a computer might need.&amp;nbsp; (I&amp;#39;ve learned about this stuff in college.)&amp;nbsp; In this context, they don&amp;#39;t represent anything, they&amp;#39;re just clues.&amp;nbsp; I think that people were calling them codes because they don&amp;#39;t realize that binary is just another way to represent a number (before I became an electrical engineer, I didn&amp;#39;t realize that either).&lt;/blockquote&gt;I know it&amp;#39;s dependent on the context, which was why I said &amp;#39;once separated into bytes&amp;#39; and &amp;#39;&lt;i&gt;usually&lt;/i&gt; represent ASCII characters&amp;#39;. And whenever binary comes up around here it&amp;#39;s invariably a sequence of ASCII characters. Anywhere else they could be numbers or codes with any meaning possible, but&lt;i&gt; here&lt;/i&gt; they&amp;#39;re always codes, so we might as well call them that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;No, they&amp;#39;re not.&amp;nbsp; There is no reason to separate these binary numbers into bytes, but if you did that with the first number, you would get this:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;01010100 11100011 10100100 10111001&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;or 84 227 164 185 (decimal).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Except for the first byte, none of those can be ASCII, because ASCII only represents 128 characters.&amp;nbsp; (You obviously haven&amp;#39;t done your homework.)&amp;nbsp; These numbers did not have to be translated or converted into anything to solve the puzzle.&amp;nbsp; Therefore, they&amp;#39;re not codes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:41:41 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Omega0</author>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>You missed my point, and your attitude isn&amp;#39;t helping anyone.</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:51:09 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Procurator</author>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Then why don&amp;#39;t you explain it to me?&amp;nbsp; Why do you think that whenever binary comes up around here it&amp;#39;s invariably a sequence of ASCII characters?&amp;nbsp; I&amp;#39;ve done a lot of work with binary numbers, and I can&amp;#39;t think of any reason why that would be the case.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(Also,&amp;nbsp;I think it&amp;#39;s&amp;nbsp;kind of hypocritical of you to talk about my attitude.&amp;nbsp; I&amp;#39;ve seen you make posts where all you say is that you laughed at someone.&amp;nbsp; Do you think that attitude helps anyone?)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:28:59 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>No, it doesn&amp;#39;t, but I&amp;#39;m rarely outright insulting someone, nor am I taking a holier-than-thou approach when I do so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All I see from your last few posts is &amp;#39;I&amp;#39;ve worked a lot with binary numbers,&amp;#39; &amp;#39;I know binary numbers,&amp;#39; &amp;#39;I did computing in college.&amp;#39; Yes. Excellent. I&amp;#39;m glad you have the capacity for study. So do a lot of other people here. It&amp;#39;s the Matrix Online, for pity&amp;#39;s sake - probably the majority of the player base has an interest in computers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reason that binary is invariable binary &lt;i&gt;code&lt;/i&gt; around here has nothing to do with the nature of binary. It&amp;#39;s the nature of the game! When puzzles like this come up, we get codes in god knows how many forms: hex, binary, encoded in many different ways. It&amp;#39;s a simple fact.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:16:25 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Procurator</author>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Omega0 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why do you think that whenever binary comes up around here it&amp;#39;s invariably a sequence of ASCII characters? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;He&amp;#39;s not speaking hypothetically here, he&amp;#39;s speaking from experience/reality.&amp;nbsp; This is the one time in MxO history that I can remember binary NOT being encoded ASCII characters.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:18:17 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>Excellent! You managed to say exactly what I meant, minus the babbling and the ranting. Well done. &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:15:55 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Procurator</author>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>First of all, I didn&amp;#39;t outright insult you, nor am I taking a holier-than-thou approach.&amp;nbsp; (I&amp;#39;m taking a more-knowledgeable-than-thou approach.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second of all, if that&amp;#39;s all you see from my last few posts, you need to read them again.&amp;nbsp; I separated the first&amp;nbsp; binary number into bytes, converted those into decimal, and explained why *in this case* it can&amp;#39;t possible be encoded ASCII.&amp;nbsp; I didn&amp;#39;t just say that I know binary numbers, I actually demonstrated my knowledge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lastly, I&amp;#39;m not talking about any other time in MxO history.&amp;nbsp; I&amp;#39;m only talking about this time.&amp;nbsp; I realize that whenever binary numbers come up in this game, they&amp;#39;re almost always encoded ASCII.&amp;nbsp; (I don&amp;#39;t know of any other time binary has come up, but I didn&amp;#39;t start keeping up with live events until fairly recently, so it wouldn&amp;#39;t surprise me.&amp;nbsp; Also, I remember seeing a couple images during the first Algorithm: Black event, one had hexadecimal numbers and the other had base-64 numbers, and both turned out to be encoded ASCII characters.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, that&amp;#39;s not what you said.&amp;nbsp; You said &amp;quot;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;here&lt;/i&gt; they&amp;#39;re always codes.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; The word &amp;quot;always&amp;quot; includes this event.&amp;nbsp; Gitano said that in this case the binary numbers were not codes (unlike other cases), which is what I&amp;#39;ve been trying to explain this whole time, and now you&amp;#39;re finally saying the same thing?&amp;nbsp; Thanks for wasting my time. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; width=&quot;15&quot; height=&quot;15&quot; /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:55:20 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Omega0</author>
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<description>You two has to stop about this. You two Are fighting like children. &amp;quot;&lt;b&gt;BINARY is just a &lt;u&gt;word&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&amp;quot; that resembles Zeros and Ones. Whether or not they are encoded, They could have other meanings other than the normal&amp;nbsp;ASCII Characters. They&amp;#39;re just Swithches that&amp;nbsp;turns on (1) and off (0)&amp;nbsp;so&amp;nbsp;a Computer can&amp;nbsp;read them.&amp;nbsp;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:05:30 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Procurator wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Excellent! You managed to say exactly what I meant, minus the babbling and the ranting. Well done. &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;&quot; /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I would offer my services but I just don&amp;#39;t have the patience to deal with these people for long.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:32:29 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Omega0 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;However, that&amp;#39;s not what you said.&amp;nbsp; You said &amp;quot;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;here&lt;/i&gt; they&amp;#39;re always codes.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; The word &amp;quot;always&amp;quot; includes this event.&amp;nbsp; Gitano said that in this case the binary numbers were not codes (unlike other cases), which is what I&amp;#39;ve been trying to explain this whole time, and now you&amp;#39;re finally saying the same thing?&amp;nbsp; Thanks for wasting my time. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; width=&quot;15&quot; height=&quot;15&quot; /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Did you see the sign they were on? It said &amp;#39;Code X-Change&amp;#39;. Whether or not they actually coded into anything they represent binary &lt;i&gt;code&lt;/i&gt; as part of it&amp;#39;s advertising&lt;i&gt;.&lt;/i&gt; It&amp;#39;s also the first thing you think of when seeing a string of 1&amp;#39;s and 0&amp;#39;s associated with this game so we generally call it Binary Code. I don&amp;#39;t give a frig if &lt;i&gt;technically&lt;/i&gt; it&amp;#39;s called Binary numbers or digits or string, it&amp;#39;s quicker and easier to say code but to be honest is basically all the same thing, Binary. There is absolutely no reason to get so technical about it in a game and you have no right to tell people how to speak. I&amp;#39;m here to play and have fun, not learn about code engineering.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What a bloody stupid argument...&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:26:20 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Listen.&amp;nbsp; When I noticed Ouranos referring to those numbers as &amp;quot;binary codes,&amp;quot; even though he surely knew that they weren&amp;#39;t encoded ASCII in this case, I got the impression that he (and possibly a few others) didn&amp;#39;t know the difference between binary numbers and binary codes.&amp;nbsp; So I thought I would take a moment to try and explain that when you see a series of 0&amp;#39;s and 1&amp;#39;s, it&amp;#39;s okay to call it a &amp;quot;binary number,&amp;quot; but&amp;nbsp;I guess I could&amp;#39;ve done a better job.&amp;nbsp; I will admit that now I have a better understanding of why he called them &amp;quot;binary codes,&amp;quot; thanks to Vinia and Gitano, and maybe he did actually know the difference (if so, then I apologize).&amp;nbsp; I didn&amp;#39;t mean to be condescending to Ouranos.&amp;nbsp; I even put that funny quote and smily face in there to try and lighten up the mood.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I didn&amp;#39;t think that anyone would argue about this, and if I knew that it would turn into such a stupid argument, I wouldn&amp;#39;t have brought it up in the first place.&amp;nbsp; It was just supposed to be a harmless little FYI.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:00:07 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
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<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:41:56 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Anyway... On a different subject &amp;#39;Ersatz&amp;#39; is todays &amp;#39;word of the day&amp;#39; on Dictionary.com strangely enough...&amp;nbsp; (yes I subscribe to the daily e-mail... never hurts to impress colleagues daily by slipping into a general conversation)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For those that don&amp;#39;t know/havent looked it up it means:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Being a substitute or imitation, usually an inferior one.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:48:25 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Croesis</author>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>Oh, okay, now this title makes a lot more sense.&amp;nbsp; Thanks, Vinia.</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:31:28 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.4] &quot;The ersatz Agent Murphey&quot; - Syntax - 2/5/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyway... On a different subject &amp;#39;Ersatz&amp;#39; is todays &amp;#39;word of the day&amp;#39; on Dictionary.com strangely enough...&amp;nbsp; (yes I subscribe to the daily e-mail... never hurts to impress colleagues daily by slipping into a general conversation)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For those that don&amp;#39;t know/havent looked it up it means:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Being a substitute or imitation, usually an inferior one.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just noticed this as well.&amp;nbsp; CONSPIRACY???&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:37:06 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Shadow-SK</author>
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