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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Kybutra wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;After reading through this thread(or at least trying) why do you guys even bother to replay? because all this thread seems to be is just pointless arguing with the OP.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I am leaning toward believing that Siren, in a bid to make a name for himself, is trying to reach the heady heights of nnn2&amp;#39;s legendary status. There have been a myriad of people attempting to explain but overwhelming pigheadedness &lt;b&gt;must&lt;/b&gt; win. &amp;#39;I think I&amp;#39;m right therefore I must be&amp;#39;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You&amp;#39;re quite right, Ky there is little point in bothering to debate further, although stopping would no doubt be proof to Siren that he is right about everything, lol! But yeah, I&amp;#39;ve really had my fill on his ignorance and hypocracy, let alone his abuse of the English language.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:08:39 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Kybutra wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;After reading through this thread(or at least trying) why do you guys even bother to replay? because all this thread seems to be is just pointless arguing with the OP.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m only replying now &amp;#39;cos it&amp;#39;s pretty amusing. Sadly, however, he seems to have glossed over my recent posts, so it&amp;#39;s not having quite the effect I was after.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Plus, if we stop replying, he&amp;#39;s the sort of person who would take that as a victory and proclaim that he was evidently right all along. Not that that should matter, of course, but I&amp;#39;d rather not give him the satisfaction.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why yes, I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; petty, thank you. &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:13:17 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;i am not going to respond to this post anymore, read my last transmission again&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;i will be in mara c on syntax server if u want to discover the real truth about the matrix&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:30:22 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>What&amp;#39;s this? Threats of virtual violence. My goodness! &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/47941865eb7bbc2a777305b46cc059a2.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; width=&quot;15&quot; height=&quot;15&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;this is why u fail&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:20:58 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>Mara C: Your source for dependable information since 1999.</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:22:56 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Procurator wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Your membership to the human race is hereby rescinded.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Hivemind.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:28:56 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Neoteny&amp;#39;s Signature:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/Otm/LolUrWrong.gif&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;That signature is awesome!&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:32:38 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;nexus2revolution wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;i am not going to respond to this post anymore, read my last transmission again&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;i will be in mara c on syntax server if u want to discover the real truth about the matrix&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;So why do you keep coming back?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:33:40 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite&gt;nexus2revolution wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;No its called useing LOGIC and REASON. Logic dictates that because Neo never reached the source the cycle was not continued sense that was the only way to bring about a new cycle.&amp;nbsp; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;wrong answer; who told u that?the movies never say that, that is something u tend to believe&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Dude just stop. Go actually read some of the replies because everyone of them has already answered this question. In reloaded the Architect explains it clearly. That the next cycle, the next version, the next Zion, and the next Matrix, would be started once Neo went to the source. Now because Neo didn&amp;#39;t do that none of the above happened. You &amp;nbsp;want to say there is some other way to start up a new version&amp;nbsp;of the Matrix, show me. Show me how, show me where, some me why. Until you do we are left with what we have. The burden of proof is on you to prove your claims. Not on us to disprove them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;And sense the number of cycles is the measure we judge what version of the Matrix we are in, you are clearly wrong in saying we are in version 7. Even for a pseudo philosophical view your wrong because then it would only be version 4.&amp;nbsp;1 was&amp;nbsp;Paradise, 2&amp;nbsp; was Man&amp;#39;s history/hell. 3 introduced Choice and the One&amp;nbsp;which ran through 6 cycles. 4 would be the now and post 6th cycle.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;wrong answer again, someone is roll playing too much. there was dialogue mentioning the first matrix as being paradise where no one suffered, it was clearly a christian reference to the garden of eden. but as far as the films are concerned, there is no dialogue that confirms anything about mans history/hell. or the 3rd one introducing choice. ummm so im going comeplety disregard any of that,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Sorry this rp sux&amp;#39;d long ago and Ive already been invited back. The fact that we have a paradise as version 1 does not make it a christian theme. In fact every religion in the world describes paradise that way. Also this then goes against your own supposed evidence. I don&amp;#39;t recall Eden being created on day 1. Day five actually. OMG DOEZ DIS MEAN V.1 WAZ THE 5TH VERZION!???!??!?! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;And uh yeah actually there is dialogue in the films. &amp;quot;The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art - flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. &lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Thus, I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot; There I made&amp;nbsp;it big so you can read it better and even underlined the point. So try again.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;But lets continue that little quote there and move on to proving Matrix 3.0 was the intro to choice &amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; - an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.&amp;quot; &amp;quot;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;quot; Case closed gg son. Matrix 3.0 was the introduction of choice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is irrelevant to figuring what version of the Matrix we are in and you need to decided which way you want to argue. you started by debating a literal change in the numbered version and tried to use hard evidence like Zions Jack-in OS to support you. Now you throwing it all out the window and spouting off supposed &amp;quot;profound&amp;quot; meanings to back you up. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The break down of choice (which was never there to begin with if you actually take note of what Neo means when&amp;nbsp;he says &amp;quot;You were right Smith, you were always right. It was inevitable.&amp;quot;&lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&amp;lt;img src=&quot; width=&quot;15&quot; height=&quot;15&quot; /&gt;&amp;quot; width=&amp;quot;15&amp;quot; height=&amp;quot;15&amp;quot;&amp;gt; doesn&amp;#39;t mean anything. Control is still very present in the Matrix, it just take a new form. The only break down was the ending to the One cycle (which again proves our points and dismantles your own) But even so the Matrix does not crash. We watch to from Smiths defeat to the end of the film and no crash is seen. There is a rewriting to fix everything that Smith destroyed in it but no literal crash takes place.&amp;nbsp;Nor any&amp;nbsp;reboot. The Matrix is still constantly running.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;the crash was the matrix&amp;nbsp;being occupyed by smiths. u dont actually think a crash has to do with a loss of power do u? the crash is what u see right in front of u but are just too blind to see it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;No a crash is when a&amp;nbsp;program, computer, mainframe, or simulation,&amp;nbsp;stops working completely. The Matrix is very much up and running. It&amp;#39;s amusing that now your trying to twist definitions to support your idiotic interpretation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;open ur eyes!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;the entire simulation was taken over by smith. u are staring at the crash and it doesnt even register. such 2 dimensional thinking. smith was everywhere, the architect had lost control of the simulation in ever aspect.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;come on, think it through; everyone in the sim was infected with the smith.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;why do u think that after the conversation with the architect that there was fire when he closed the door, and neo had to fly out?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;because smith had gotton thru the door made of light and it triggered the bomb&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;yes the matrix is constantly running, this is true but dont think for a second that it is in machine control&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Machine control is irrelevant to the stability of the simulation. All it means is they are no longer deciding whats best for the simulation. Smith being everyone and running it is just as irrelevant but one could argue that the fact Smith can run the simulations just proves that it is still working.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;That last part, that&amp;#39;s hilarious. Its clearly&amp;nbsp;Neo setting of the bomb when he comes bursting through. And Smith is no where to be found. There was only one door to reach that floor and that&amp;#39;s the one Neo, Morpheus, and the Keymaker went through. Since the keymaker had the only key that floor then became impossible to enter via the hallways. The keymaker also explained that there would only be a short window in which they could get onto that floor and that during that time Neo would have to open the door. Otherwise one single alarm going off would blow the whole place apart. Neo trips and alarm when he reenters the Matrix because the power is now back on in full and all the alarms are operational. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;No Trinity&amp;nbsp;was never set to die.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;Architect said that she is going to die and there is nothing u can do to stop it&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;And the Architect is the supposed authority on human analyzation and predictions? Sorry bud the oracle disagrees and explained that the Architect can&amp;#39;t see past anything. Its all numbers to him and if anything he was counting on the odds being against Neo in saving her. He&amp;#39;s not making predictions or telling the future. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In fact the Oracle explained to Neo that he was the one that would decide her fate. To live or die. If anything she was meant to live because of the door he picked. This isn&amp;#39;t even getting into the whole &amp;quot;The mind makes it real&amp;quot; understanding you clearly lack. Trinity never died. In the real her heart was fine and was never pierced by anything, when she did &amp;quot;die&amp;quot; it was her mind being unable to distinguish between what was real and what wasn&amp;#39;t anymore. All Neo did was give her RSI a jump start so her brain could wake up again and remember that nothing in the Matrix was real thus she&amp;#39;s fine.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Oracle also already explained Smith and exiles&amp;nbsp;to Neo. She tells him that programs sometimes choose exile over deletion for their own reasons. Smith did just this. He was driven by his desire to kill Neo which disallowed him to return to the source. The fact that no other Agent had ever done so is irrelevant. it only shows that the Oracle has something in motion and Smith was apart of it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Neo&amp;#39;s blindness is&amp;nbsp;also irrelevant. How exactly does his condition in the real (something that only has 1 version) pertain to the Matrix version? All it shows us is again something is happening that hasn&amp;#39;t happened before. Neo has tapped further into his powers then any other &amp;quot;One&amp;quot;. The Oracle even explained that to him by telling him the power of the One reaches beyond the Matrix.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;this throws logik and reason out the window. how can a man see when he has no eyes?it is a signal to the viewer, the audience memeber to let go of all ur preconceptions, there is no science that can explain what is going on now.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;this is beyond powers, this is neo connecting to the source in a way the architect cannot understand. he is seeing his enviroment and its like the whole thing is made of light!&amp;nbsp; it is, everything is energy! that is some next level science for those of u are rushing to catch up now,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Again the Oracle explained that and without any pseudo religious dogma. She tells us that Neo&amp;#39;s power extends beyond the Matrix. She doesn&amp;#39;t&amp;nbsp;describe them but just informs Neo that he is capable of such feats.&amp;nbsp;He then discovers he is able to feel and see the machine&amp;#39;s energy of a connection he has with the machines and the code he carries in being &amp;quot;The One&amp;quot;. His powers came only because he touched the source and&amp;nbsp;from&amp;nbsp;that point on he recognizes it and is able to manipulate it. Its just like a wifi connection. Neo now has a direct connection to the Machine mainframe and his brain and body are capable of processing Machine energy because of his connection.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The revealing of the &amp;quot;truth&amp;quot; and how everything was a lie is just as irrelevant to bring about another version&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;The only part it plays is&amp;nbsp;in the end game&amp;nbsp;and that now&amp;nbsp;Neo knows exactly whats going on and how complicated the situation really is. In fact the truth only puts him further into the Oracle&amp;#39;s grasp and gives him more of a reason to go along with her.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Smith&amp;#39;s control just shows how great his power has become. Like Neo he has tapped further into the power one can achieve within the Matrix. That and that now version six is under his command now and no longer under the Machines. But no reset, crash, or reboot has occurred. Smith has done nothing more then redesign and rewrite.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0000ff;&quot;&gt;2 dimensional thinking again : (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Prove it wrong and will talk. What couldn&amp;#39;t think of any spiritual mumbo jumbo to retort it with? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Neo going to the Machine city is once again&amp;nbsp;irrelevant to the version number. All it does is show us he&amp;#39;s going along with the Oracle&amp;#39;s plan. That something new is happening but it isn&amp;#39;t changing the system or the Matrix.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Lastly the Matrix IS NOT rebooted. It is rewritten. To reboot a computer you have to shut it down. No where do I see the screen going black and the system restarting. What we see is more consistent with what we see in the first film. The Machines overwriting the code. In this case it was massive sense Smith&amp;#39;s rewrite was just as massive but there still&amp;nbsp;is no reboot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This all being done for the first time is pointless. it just shows us that the cycle was broken and as a said before if anything this a version 4. But even then that isn&amp;#39;t right sense the only thing that has changed is the cycle is no longer available. The choice for bluepills still remains. The needs to monitor them&amp;nbsp;is still there. In fact&amp;nbsp;nothing has changed at all except that Neo destroyed the cycle. The reasons for the cycles creation though are still very much present within the Matrix. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh yeah and there is only one scene with debir in it, and it ain&amp;#39;t where any of this happened. The Battle between Smith and Neo was in downtown. In fact they come crashing down on the very phone booth the first film ends at. Then the meeting between the oracle and Architect happens in a park. Not the middle of a ghetto.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As pointed out above your reasoning for this not being version 6 is all but wrong. It is still very much version 6 and even the most cynical players about the game and its story will all agree that we are still in version six at the end of the film.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;u said urself that the simulation was rewritten which tell me that u actually see what it is i am talking about. the problem lies in what exactly does it mean that u are seeing. i will tell u&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;rewritten, is that the word u want to use? ok fine, verison seven was written on top of version 6. its not the same matrix. there are more than 1000 reasons that are all around u. stop being so dense, please.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Rewritten. That means its still the same old Matrix just everything that went wrong is now fixed. Your computer doens&amp;#39;t get a new OS or an upgrade once you fix a virus does it? Why should the Matrix? There was nothing written over it. If anything Smith wrote it all over and what you see is the Archeict hitting the delete key to everythign he wrote. If you realyl want to say there was a version seven. its Smiths take over. but that gets wiped clean and &amp;quot;downgraded back to version 6 once he is gone. If there are so many reasons show them. So far everything you have thrown at us can be easily explained by rational thinking and was already explained by eithe rthe Archiect or the Oracle.. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:14:58 GMT</pubDate>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:33:32 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite&gt;nexus2revolution wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;No its called useing LOGIC and REASON. Logic dictates that because Neo never reached the source the cycle was not continued sense that was the only way to bring about a new cycle.&amp;nbsp; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;wrong answer; who told u that?the movies never say that, that is something u tend to believe&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Dude just stop. Go actually read some of the replies because everyone of them has already answered this question. In reloaded the Architect explains it clearly. That the next cycle, the next version, the next Zion, and the next Matrix, would be started once Neo went to the source. Now because Neo didn&amp;#39;t do that none of the above happened. You &amp;nbsp;want to say there is some other way to start up a new version&amp;nbsp;of the Matrix, show me. Show me how, show me where, some me why. Until you do we are left with what we have. The burden of proof is on you to prove your claims. Not on us to disprove them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;And sense the number of cycles is the measure we judge what version of the Matrix we are in, you are clearly wrong in saying we are in version 7. Even for a pseudo philosophical view your wrong because then it would only be version 4.&amp;nbsp;1 was&amp;nbsp;Paradise, 2&amp;nbsp; was Man&amp;#39;s history/hell. 3 introduced Choice and the One&amp;nbsp;which ran through 6 cycles. 4 would be the now and post 6th cycle.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;wrong answer again, someone is roll playing too much. there was dialogue mentioning the first matrix as being paradise where no one suffered, it was clearly a christian reference to the garden of eden. but as far as the films are concerned, there is no dialogue that confirms anything about mans history/hell. or the 3rd one introducing choice. ummm so im going comeplety disregard any of that,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Sorry this rp sux&amp;#39;d long ago and Ive already been invited back. The fact that we have a paradise as version 1 does not make it a christian theme. In fact every religion in the world describes paradise that way. Also this then goes against your own supposed evidence. I don&amp;#39;t recall Eden being created on day 1. Day five actually. OMG DOEZ DIS MEAN V.1 WAZ THE 5TH VERZION!???!??!?! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;And uh yeah actually there is dialogue in the films. &amp;quot;The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art - flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. &lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Thus, I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature.&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot; There I made&amp;nbsp;it big so you can read it better and even underlined the point. So try again.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;But lets continue that little quote there and move on to proving Matrix 3.0 was the intro to choice &amp;nbsp;&amp;quot;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt; - an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.&amp;quot; &amp;quot;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;quot; Case closed gg son. Matrix 3.0 was the introduction of choice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is irrelevant to figuring what version of the Matrix we are in and you need to decided which way you want to argue. you started by debating a literal change in the numbered version and tried to use hard evidence like Zions Jack-in OS to support you. Now you throwing it all out the window and spouting off supposed &amp;quot;profound&amp;quot; meanings to back you up. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The break down of choice (which was never there to begin with if you actually take note of what Neo means when&amp;nbsp;he says &amp;quot;You were right Smith, you were always right. It was inevitable.&amp;quot;&lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&amp;lt;img mce_tsrc=&quot; width=&quot;15&quot; height=&quot;15&quot; /&gt;&amp;quot; width=&amp;quot;15&amp;quot; height=&amp;quot;15&amp;quot;&amp;gt; doesn&amp;#39;t mean anything. Control is still very present in the Matrix, it just take a new form. The only break down was the ending to the One cycle (which again proves our points and dismantles your own) But even so the Matrix does not crash. We watch to from Smiths defeat to the end of the film and no crash is seen. There is a rewriting to fix everything that Smith destroyed in it but no literal crash takes place.&amp;nbsp;Nor any&amp;nbsp;reboot. The Matrix is still constantly running.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;the crash was the matrix&amp;nbsp;being occupyed by smiths. u dont actually think a crash has to do with a loss of power do u? the crash is what u see right in front of u but are just too blind to see it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;No a crash is when a&amp;nbsp;program, computer, mainframe, or simulation,&amp;nbsp;stops working completely. The Matrix is very much up and running. It&amp;#39;s amusing that now your trying to twist definitions to support your idiotic interpretation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;open ur eyes!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;the entire simulation was taken over by smith. u are staring at the crash and it doesnt even register. such 2 dimensional thinking. smith was everywhere, the architect had lost control of the simulation in ever aspect.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;come on, think it through; everyone in the sim was infected with the smith.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;why do u think that after the conversation with the architect that there was fire when he closed the door, and neo had to fly out?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;because smith had gotton thru the door made of light and it triggered the bomb&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;yes the matrix is constantly running, this is true but dont think for a second that it is in machine control&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Machine control is irrelevant to the stability of the simulation. All it means is they are no longer deciding whats best for the simulation. Smith being everyone and running it is just as irrelevant but one could argue that the fact Smith can run the simulations just proves that it is still working.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;That last part, that&amp;#39;s hilarious. Its clearly&amp;nbsp;Neo setting of the bomb when he comes bursting through. And Smith is no where to be found. There was only one door to reach that floor and that&amp;#39;s the one Neo, Morpheus, and the Keymaker went through. Since the keymaker had the only key that floor then became impossible to enter via the hallways. The keymaker also explained that there would only be a short window in which they could get onto that floor and that during that time Neo would have to open the door. Otherwise one single alarm going off would blow the whole place apart. Neo trips and alarm when he reenters the Matrix because the power is now back on in full and all the alarms are operational. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;No Trinity&amp;nbsp;was never set to die.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;Architect said that she is going to die and there is nothing u can do to stop it&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;And the Architect is the supposed authority on human analyzation and predictions? Sorry bud the oracle disagrees and explained that the Architect can&amp;#39;t see past anything. Its all numbers to him and if anything he was counting on the odds being against Neo in saving her. He&amp;#39;s not making predictions or telling the future. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In fact the Oracle explained to Neo that he was the one that would decide her fate. To live or die. If anything she was meant to live because of the door he picked. This isn&amp;#39;t even getting into the whole &amp;quot;The mind makes it real&amp;quot; understanding you clearly lack. Trinity never died. In the real her heart was fine and was never pierced by anything, when she did &amp;quot;die&amp;quot; it was her mind being unable to distinguish between what was real and what wasn&amp;#39;t anymore. All Neo did was give her RSI a jump start so her brain could wake up again and remember that nothing in the Matrix was real thus she&amp;#39;s fine.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Oracle also already explained Smith and exiles&amp;nbsp;to Neo. She tells him that programs sometimes choose exile over deletion for their own reasons. Smith did just this. He was driven by his desire to kill Neo which disallowed him to return to the source. The fact that no other Agent had ever done so is irrelevant. it only shows that the Oracle has something in motion and Smith was apart of it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Neo&amp;#39;s blindness is&amp;nbsp;also irrelevant. How exactly does his condition in the real (something that only has 1 version) pertain to the Matrix version? All it shows us is again something is happening that hasn&amp;#39;t happened before. Neo has tapped further into his powers then any other &amp;quot;One&amp;quot;. The Oracle even explained that to him by telling him the power of the One reaches beyond the Matrix.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;this throws logik and reason out the window. how can a man see when he has no eyes?it is a signal to the viewer, the audience memeber to let go of all ur preconceptions, there is no science that can explain what is going on now.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;this is beyond powers, this is neo connecting to the source in a way the architect cannot understand. he is seeing his enviroment and its like the whole thing is made of light!&amp;nbsp; it is, everything is energy! that is some next level science for those of u are rushing to catch up now,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Again the Oracle explained that and without any pseudo religious dogma. She tells us that Neo&amp;#39;s power extends beyond the Matrix. She doesn&amp;#39;t&amp;nbsp;describe them but just informs Neo that he is capable of such feats.&amp;nbsp;He then discovers he is able to feel and see the machine&amp;#39;s energy of a connection he has with the machines and the code he carries in being &amp;quot;The One&amp;quot;. His powers came only because he touched the source and&amp;nbsp;from&amp;nbsp;that point on he recognizes it and is able to manipulate it. Its just like a wifi connection. Neo now has a direct connection to the Machine mainframe and his brain and body are capable of processing Machine energy because of his connection.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The revealing of the &amp;quot;truth&amp;quot; and how everything was a lie is just as irrelevant to bring about another version&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;The only part it plays is&amp;nbsp;in the end game&amp;nbsp;and that now&amp;nbsp;Neo knows exactly whats going on and how complicated the situation really is. In fact the truth only puts him further into the Oracle&amp;#39;s grasp and gives him more of a reason to go along with her.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Smith&amp;#39;s control just shows how great his power has become. Like Neo he has tapped further into the power one can achieve within the Matrix. That and that now version six is under his command now and no longer under the Machines. But no reset, crash, or reboot has occurred. Smith has done nothing more then redesign and rewrite.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0000ff;&quot;&gt;2 dimensional thinking again : (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Prove it wrong and will talk. What couldn&amp;#39;t think of any spiritual mumbo jumbo to retort it with? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Neo going to the Machine city is once again&amp;nbsp;irrelevant to the version number. All it does is show us he&amp;#39;s going along with the Oracle&amp;#39;s plan. That something new is happening but it isn&amp;#39;t changing the system or the Matrix.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Lastly the Matrix IS NOT rebooted. It is rewritten. To reboot a computer you have to shut it down. No where do I see the screen going black and the system restarting. What we see is more consistent with what we see in the first film. The Machines overwriting the code. In this case it was massive sense Smith&amp;#39;s rewrite was just as massive but there still&amp;nbsp;is no reboot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This all being done for the first time is pointless. it just shows us that the cycle was broken and as a said before if anything this a version 4. But even then that isn&amp;#39;t right sense the only thing that has changed is the cycle is no longer available. The choice for bluepills still remains. The needs to monitor them&amp;nbsp;is still there. In fact&amp;nbsp;nothing has changed at all except that Neo destroyed the cycle. The reasons for the cycles creation though are still very much present within the Matrix. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh yeah and there is only one scene with debir in it, and it ain&amp;#39;t where any of this happened. The Battle between Smith and Neo was in downtown. In fact they come crashing down on the very phone booth the first film ends at. Then the meeting between the oracle and Architect happens in a park. Not the middle of a ghetto.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As pointed out above your reasoning for this not being version 6 is all but wrong. It is still very much version 6 and even the most cynical players about the game and its story will all agree that we are still in version six at the end of the film.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;u said urself that the simulation was rewritten which tell me that u actually see what it is i am talking about. the problem lies in what exactly does it mean that u are seeing. i will tell u&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #0033ff;&quot;&gt;rewritten, is that the word u want to use? ok fine, verison seven was written on top of version 6. its not the same matrix. there are more than 1000 reasons that are all around u. stop being so dense, please.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ffcc00;&quot;&gt;Rewritten. That means its still the same old Matrix just everything that went wrong is now fixed. Your computer doens&amp;#39;t get a new OS or an upgrade once you fix a virus does it? Why should the Matrix? There was nothing written over it. If anything Smith wrote it all over and what you see is the Archeict hitting the delete key to everythign he wrote. If you realyl want to say there was a version seven. its Smiths take over. but that gets wiped clean and &amp;quot;downgraded back to version 6 once he is gone. If there are so many reasons show them. So far everything you have thrown at us can be easily explained by rational thinking and was already explained by eithe rthe Archiect or the Oracle.. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Actually Gami I have to say the paradise Matrix was an Eden reference, hence we get the Seraphim as the &amp;quot;agents&amp;quot; of the first simulation. Only three religions have angels in the traditional sense, and that&amp;#39;s Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, back on topic, THIS IZ NOT MATRICKS 7!&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Eleutherophobia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I didn&amp;#39;t realize nnn had a new account.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Actually, Siren1 has been playing since launch and just now stumbled onto the forums. He has been making us facepalm.jpg in Mara for quite some time now.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:14:22 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Archangel wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Actually Gami I have to say the paradise Matrix was an Eden reference, hence we get the Seraphim as the &amp;quot;agents&amp;quot; of the first simulation. Only three religions have angels in the traditional sense, and that&amp;#39;s Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But, back on topic, THIS IZ NOT MATRICKS 7!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eh maybe maybe not. All religions though do view heaven as being a paradise. In the movies though we aren&amp;#39;t given that bit of info that it was angels governing but I see your point.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mine was though just to show that if siren is trying to use the first Matrix as an Eden reference that it then does not go along with her seven versions mimic the seven days as then day one&amp;nbsp;would be&amp;nbsp;the creation of Eden when the world doesn&amp;#39;t get land untill day 2.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:11:05 GMT</pubDate>
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<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:28:13 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Chemuel wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Sage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:56:37 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Mave wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Chemuel wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Sage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:03:54 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Marias wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Mave wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Chemuel wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Sage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:33:14 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Ballak wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Marias wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Mave wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Chemuel wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Sage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sage and onion?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;......Wait what?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:00:37 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;After reading through this threads 8 pages very thoroughly...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m gonna go lie down now and think about how in gods name this thread is still going.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:17:17 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Ballak wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Marias wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Mave wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Chemuel wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Sage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;lolwut?&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:22:09 GMT</pubDate>
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