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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>Listen I am more and I mean MORE than receptive to people experiencing the story but were like any other organization numbers based or not. We expect people to put in what they take out of the organization.&amp;nbsp; Although opinion may vary Sentience despite popular belief is one of these groups. During side events Lanton was coding me signal boosters with NBT. They were pvping with us guarding the LO. Sure their &amp;quot;mains&amp;quot; are not on our server but their receptive people who put back into the org when they find the time and they add a posiitve element. Not to mention another one of their membes who isn&apos;t technicly a Cypherite character is a HUGE asset to this organization as far as Im concerned. Heres the point Im trying to make alting up isn&apos;t an issue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can tell you right now for the last two weeks the only people to show up to the Cypherite organizational meeting were either Me and Mercidos or me and Saintdaniel with Zensnipe coming in midway during one but leaving during it to just go mission. Before that it was just us and Authority. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It comes down to this... Were not your subscribtion incentive most of us have been apart of this organization since it was founded I gained the first Cypherite tag back during the puzzle RR the third. I eventually joined RR and got a rank one and Viral became history. Most of us have pretty much stuck to one organization one server and one hope that it would be recognized and respected at least for that much being loyal to the organization and not delving into or leeching other organizations when were bored.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wont say its the defining nature of the organization right now or that its what is holding it back in my eyes but its just something that takes away from our integrity level and I am sorry but I don&apos;t feel inclined to be receptive or welcoming to people who only log in for the event or don&apos;t even log in at all and take advantage of a archaic email list. If you don&apos;t put back into Vector CYPH your dead to us.</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 2 Aug 2008 12:56:35 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;privaron0 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;nbsp;If you don&apos;t put back into Vector CYPH your dead to us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:04:10 GMT</pubDate>
<author>SaintDaniel</author>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>Oh for the record Zenotron just left Zen Legacy to go solo machine pvp. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe it knocks the list down to this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Authority- Not Vector natives but helpful people who actually contribute. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;RR- 3rd Cypherite faction with the leader of the 1st as one of the leaders who defected.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Veil of Nightmares- Which is led by a EPN 50 on Vector. This person refuses to respond to chat with CYPH players and sits around with hostiles at Mara sometimes without even being attacked in the morning. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Illusions- Ran by an EPN 50 who although is a decent enough guy just doesn&apos;t show up anymore unless its a scanline competition or an event. Most of these they don&apos;t even show up for anymore. Most of the members are Mero alts from Vector. This person however finds the time to play across multiple servers in multiple organizations and also was making remarks about how we arn&apos;t that hot when I was missioning with Exivy and him on Recursion. Also after an org based effort which had us win a scanline event and net two receivers which involved members of Authority/Sentience RR and Illusions the person felt it nessecary to send Kaveri a tell and claim they did most of the leg work for the event &amp;quot;But their glad to help us get our receivers&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hikede yo Jimbo- A faction ran by an EPN faction leader of Vector who had the esteemed honor of coordinate feeding Maruth&apos;s location during her first event as an LO way back when only to log on the other character and bypass org locks to get bluepills &amp;quot;For helping out&amp;quot; with the rest of us. Oh also Shadows of the Infinate actually admitted and was caught spying on Viral Humanity two years ago by placing one of their level 50 members in the faction posing as a loyal upstanding Cypherite. &amp;quot;excuse us if were a little unreceptive to their rinitemembership base retaining a tag&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So heres what it comes down to... excuse us if were paranoid excuse us if were not receptive excuse us please if we don&apos;t care about you your hard earned money or the fact that it buys you the ability to leech off the very few of us that actually stuck it out for the four and a half months when Syntax and Recursion were given our events. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Simply put anyone who actually comes here to contribute is welcome honestly if Phrack or even you Neotony came here as long as your as articulate and helpful to our organizations as you are when your on your mains we are the type of people that are very receptive. We have multiple Syntax based Cypherites who are in RR to come on for events we allow members of Dark Evolution who have proved to show a level of class come on for our events in our faction and join us. Were not arrogont people we don&apos;t want a closed door policy. We just want people to be held accountable and judged by their deeds. </description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:40:32 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Neoteny wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;((Oh please, even before the server merge, you were capable of having multiple characters in different orgs. You just put them on another server. So pretty much, it&apos;s always been this way. The only thing that&apos;s changed is that you can now e-mail yourself items and money from your main character to your developing alt if they&apos;re on the same server. That&apos;s &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt;. That way &lt;i&gt;or &lt;/i&gt;this way, there would be no way to have two of your own characters there without two accounts, which is fine if you&apos;ve got that good a system and that much money to waste.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But there are other people who &lt;i&gt;do &lt;/i&gt;just want to experience the other side of the story, as the multiple, unrestricted&amp;nbsp;character slots inherent to every account, permit. And it&apos;s very much not anyone&apos;s place to tell them that what they&apos;re doing is wrong simply because they play on both sides of the fence. It&apos;s especially nobody&apos;s place to tell them how to spend their money. Now, I think there&apos;s something wrong with it when they start pulling information down from the other character that their current character would never know. But there&apos;s no way to stop that from happening, even if they have another account.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You&apos;ve just got to trust that the person playing the character respects those kind of boundaries. And if you don&apos;t, then don&apos;t tell them anything important. But serously, Live Event reports, critical missions, you name it. It ends up in the public eye in a matter of days anyway. So there&apos;s really not that much to keep under wraps anyway.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And beside those facts:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&apos;s just a game.))&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I call it a hobby, but okay... and I know it&apos;s just a game that I play but I do not pay for someone who&apos;s a hotshot from some other org on my server hog the glory in my org on their alts, sorry but all the time my faction and I put into this and then some alt&apos;er comes in and snags the event reward or whatever they snag, just pisses me off, really it does. I&apos;m all for letting people see the story from the other perspective on another server, sure. I got no issues with that. </description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:05:11 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Synapse777</author>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>I do not have a problem with people wanting to experience all sides of the Matrix story. But lets not kid ourselves on here. Most people don&apos;t use their alts for this. They use them simply to tap any and all information they can from the other sides adn relay that information back to their &apos;main&apos; Org or faction. They don&apos;t turn up for meetings, they don&apos;t put anything into the Org, but sap it&apos;s info.&lt;p&gt;@Neoteny: Yes, you could make a new character on another server and join another Org. But the information differs across servers. The experience will differ across the servers. Sure, the main story line is the same. But interaction between LO&apos;s and Rare&apos; will not be the same. All LO have different personalities and connections on each server. So the information that they pass on will be different. Yeah, you can&apos;t stop people buying 2 or more accounts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:37:08 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;PascaI wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I do not have a problem with people wanting to experience all sides of the Matrix story. But lets not kid ourselves on here. Most people don&apos;t use their alts for this. They use them simply to tap any and all information they can from the other sides adn relay that information back to their &apos;main&apos; Org or faction. They don&apos;t turn up for meetings, they don&apos;t put anything into the Org, but sap it&apos;s info.&lt;p&gt;@Neoteny: Yes, you could make a new character on another server and join another Org. But the information differs across servers. The experience will differ across the servers. Sure, the main story line is the same. But interaction between LO&apos;s and Rare&apos; will not be the same. All LO have different personalities and connections on each server. So the information that they pass on will be different. Yeah, you can&apos;t stop people buying 2 or more accounts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Does it really matter? The Live Events get posted, like this one, so people will find out sooner or later.</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:45:48 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:Re:Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Gerik wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;PascaI wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I do not have a problem with people wanting to experience all sides of the Matrix story. But lets not kid ourselves on here. Most people don&apos;t use their alts for this. They use them simply to tap any and all information they can from the other sides adn relay that information back to their &apos;main&apos; Org or faction. They don&apos;t turn up for meetings, they don&apos;t put anything into the Org, but sap it&apos;s info.&lt;p&gt;@Neoteny: Yes, you could make a new character on another server and join another Org. But the information differs across servers. The experience will differ across the servers. Sure, the main story line is the same. But interaction between LO&apos;s and Rare&apos; will not be the same. All LO have different personalities and connections on each server. So the information that they pass on will be different. Yeah, you can&apos;t stop people buying 2 or more accounts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Does it really matter? The Live Events get posted, like this one, so people will find out sooner or later.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yes it does when people put in countless hours to help Liasons attempt to keep a roleplay presence get involved in side events and otherwise spend years sticking to one organization. People feel disenfranchised like their loyalty doesn&apos;t matter. Or their events going off with complications arn&apos;t a big deal. It matters alot less to the said alts because they get to attend events and interact probabably twice a week instead of once a month waiting for the chance to interact with their favorite character from the Matrix universe. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It matters because integrity and trust are something that become imperitive. I have been to every event as a Cypherite observer except maybe 3 or so since May 29th on Vector. I have never seen remotely as much event crashing or pvp ganking at any of these events compared to the last two Cypherite ones which included me getting killed by a Zion player inside of Ourobros named Outlaw 54. &apos;Wasn&apos;t there supposed to be an org lock up?&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This most rescent event I was told not to heal my members due to breaking character with a bluepill at the live event which has not been posted yet I explained we were being ganked. Low and behold 10 seconds later ML comes in with a full team area hacking us and picking off members while Dreami did the best she could to salvage the event but it really broke the immersion and left many of us for the majority of the event out of the loop because we were to busy sending people to&amp;nbsp; the loading area and likewise to get involved. The only people who were really effective in saving the bluepills were RR members under the level of 15 because the rest of us were just forced to pvp.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After we were told to escort the bluepills to the church Rarebit placed a non hostile zone at Camon C Church in which Zionites attempted to skirt in and out of to get a hostile lock on us and area hack. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes it matters... because information gets leaked events get ruined and when its your only event you really have a chance to get deeply involved in for that month its a huge let down to think that no matter how hard you try to be a positive influence for your org that at the end of the day it just doesn&apos;t matter enough to prevent this stuff. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You know the kicker for this? Rarebit actually interacted with these people on Veil after the event when he put a cake vendor down at Gracy Diner... Honestly that just made a couple of us feel like he just doesn&apos;t care sometimes. </description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:58:39 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;I usually don&apos;t RP very much and attended that latest CYPH event on vector. After seeing a different org that didn&apos;t belong there arrive before we even all did, I have to ask was the mole that invited the zionists to gank and ruin the event one of us or Rarebit?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Either way it really ruined any fun I thought I was going to have and I&apos;m not sure if I will try and enjoy that part of the games content anymore. I am used to pvp on vector,but that was just ganking to ruin an event that made it impossible for us to escort the npcs &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:39:37 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>On one hand you have people who level to 50 in another org (or another server) and even after reaching max level are still not accepted by their peers because of the remaining stigma of &amp;quot;other&amp;quot; server or org mains. On the other hand you have alt characters that are too easily accepted into an org&apos;s infrastructure and able to shift events in undesirable ways. It&apos;s really up to LESIG I guess to weed out the serious people from those who aren&apos;t planning on contributing, but I imagine that&apos;s kind of difficult as there&apos;d be a firestorm if players of the &amp;quot;right&amp;quot; org were excluded altogether... and its certainly preferable to have the &amp;quot;right&amp;quot; org chars show up than a ton of chars whose org blatantly don&apos;t belong at that event.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact that there was a pacification zone set up sounds like there wasn&apos;t *supposed* to be PVP happening. As a guideline we should all tend to respect eachother&apos;s events because you never know which way the future server population is gonna flow. Payback could be quite annoying when you&apos;re trying to have your own event.</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 2 Aug 2008 20:49:45 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>This needs to get back on topic.&amp;nbsp; Please stop the flaming and do not call out other players in this forum.&amp;nbsp; I do not wish to lock or move posts in a live event thread.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:20:25 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>I understand your position as a moderator and I honestly apolagize for this taking a hostile turn it&apos;s just frusterating for alot of us. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However I think it has a very valid place in this paticular event thread regarding the issue of Cypherite alts activity and security being detrimental to the process and I would like to explain why 007. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;During this exact event there were system messages sent out to Cypherite and Machinist players to protect the building. Due to what could be deemed as a real festering problem or possibly just bad timing I was the only person to show up during this entire org broadcast.&amp;nbsp; Although you are correct the second event we are discussing should be taken elsewhere whether it be in another thread or waiting until that recap is posted&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ironicly a Cypherite faction leader was in attendence at this event I find the whole situation quite fitting for the thread and although maybe not politically comfortable on topic to say the very least. I say we all calm down on it though &amp;quot;me included&amp;quot; the attempt here is to try raise awareness not start a riot. </description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:34:39 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>&lt;br /&gt;Don&apos;t worry EPN were not shameless enough to&amp;nbsp; perpetuate your events. I was just trying to get&amp;nbsp; your take&amp;nbsp; on things.. Glad were all on the same page.&lt;img src=&quot;http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/7510/screenshot1183sp6.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:37:23 GMT</pubDate>
<author>privaronT</author>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>hmmm it does seem as if xensei is seeing our side of things doesn&apos;t it</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:49:10 GMT</pubDate>
<author>SaintDaniel</author>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>I think the worst thing we can do here is ignore what is obviously a big problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The least that LO could have done there was say he would pass on our concerns. I except that LO are not developers and are basically just players like you and I. However they have a better connections to the development side than any of us average players.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I actually don&apos;t have a problem with people that have alts in other organizations, so long as they can detach themselves from their main org when they log onto their alt. But that&apos;s not what&apos;s happening here. I doubt that Xensei, or any other LO for that matter would like it if we made alts just to leech information and stay one step ahead of the game with no real interest in the Org.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&apos;m not sure what can be done to stop it, but that doesn&apos;t mean we have to ignore it.</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:54:50 GMT</pubDate>
<author>PascaI</author>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>I enjoyed this event as I think most people did...Well maybe Not Privaront hehe</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:17:47 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>Believe it or not I actually enjoyed the event quite a bit. The fact that Rarebit even bothered to throw out an org message was pretty nice its just a shame the organization is in the state it is in right now. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I thought Liparus being unveiled in this fashion was a very good step in the right direction in regards to how we unveil our Cypherite LO&apos;s meet and greets are fun but that really built her image up IC and I liked where it went. The Cypherite NPC spawns were ok.. but I guess my issue is why didn&apos;t Rarebit even throw this part of the event in the recap it pretty much indicates &amp;quot;Hey if you guys cant log on a ton of people don&apos;t bother&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All I know is though that the event itself although in some regards enjoyable and others very dissapointing and eye opening was an omen and a testament to the times. We believe its time to start doing some sweeping changes regardless of population building our organizations numbers at the expense of integrity and realism simply put causes issues like these where our main events are crashed and our side involvement becomes minimal because some of the same people Dreami&apos;s relying on for side event RP and perpetuating activity are active EPN 50&apos;s. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I suppose I think this event proved a point the same with our rescent Cypherite one that its time to start lookng into the issues.</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:24:21 GMT</pubDate>
<author>privaronT</author>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>Me and Privaront were just talking about this ingame.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just To clarify I was Once A Rank One In Heaven&apos;s Nightmares, The EPN faction. But I am no longer a member Nor do I have any Alt&apos;s In it. As For Veil Of Nightmare&apos;s Or Whatever it is, The Cypherite Faction. I was Never in this faction, Yes thats right a faction i was never in. HunkAk47 And Lio were the Rank Ones, I Only Know This because I helped Lio level untill he quit about 8 month or so ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;666th Post :O</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:35:47 GMT</pubDate>
<author>HutchieJNR</author>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>i hate to retract any statement,but it appears from what i was just told in game the faction complaining in this thread is all made off epn lvl 50 alts... it seems this was a matter of one cyph faction jealous of another with more information...</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:34:31 GMT</pubDate>
<author>xxamelxx</author>
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<title>Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>curiouser and curiouser </description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:19:21 GMT</pubDate>
<author>BayBay</author>
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<title>Re:Re:[10.3.5] Courier isn&apos;t responding - Vector - 7/24/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;privaron0 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don&apos;t worry EPN were not shameless enough to&amp;nbsp; perpetuate your events. I was just trying to get&amp;nbsp; your take&amp;nbsp; on things.. Glad were all on the same page.&lt;img src=&quot;http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/7510/screenshot1183sp6.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;((The liaison responded properly to you. They&apos;re full-time RP and treat each character as a different entity. Of course they&apos;re not going to let &amp;quot;an alias&amp;quot; of yours join EPN. But if you made an alt with Zion reputation and approached him as a different person [i.e. not saying &amp;quot;Hey, this is Privaront, you know, the Cypherite! I want to join EPN using this alias.&amp;quot;] he&apos;d probably let you in on it. I&apos;m sure whatever people are &amp;quot;infiltrating&amp;quot; the Cypherite organization on Vector aren&apos;t telling the liaisons they&apos;re with EPN. And, of course, they shouldn&apos;t be. But there&apos;s really no way for the liaisons to be able to tell whether or not one character isn an alt. Past that, there&apos;s no way to tell if that alt is going to leak informtion or not. And past that, there&apos;s no simple way for anyone to play both of their characters at once.))</description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:37:40 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Neoteny</author>
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