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<description>The real clue is in the name of this thread. Don&apos;t go into the looking glass, you may not like what you find.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:02:01 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.1.3] Do not approach the wireframed man - Recursion - 11/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;But Zionites so very readily took the privilege of awakening them without direct intervention from the Machines, therefore accepting the Machines as the authority of the simulation and started to wake the 1%. Sure they were doing it beforehand but only in small amounts, considerably less than the 1% who rejected the system until Neo came along for a few months. Logic doesn&amp;#39;t have anything having the privilege to extract with no recourse. And as I have previously mentioned before, just because Zion has had the privilege taken away does not inhibit Machinists to do so if we wish. The systems stance on the Merovingian waking bluepills, if he ever sanctions such an act, would most likely be the same as Zion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Humans only physically stay in the pods, they &amp;#39;live&amp;#39; out their lives within the simulation not knowing any different then what our ancestors knew. They would in all likelihood lead out a better mental existence there than in the real.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are assumptions, and you know what happens when we make assumptions. The flaw in the Machinist human thought is the attempt to anticipate what the Machine sees fit in regards to situations like this based on speculation. You&amp;#39;re probably right in that they may treat attempted extractions by the Merovingian opts the same way as Zion. But that&amp;#39;s because they don&amp;#39;t want more of their &amp;quot;crop&amp;quot; in Zion or anywhere else. There was no clause given that states that their own can do whatever the hell they want. Colonel Sanders said &amp;quot;&lt;u&gt;No more extractions are allowed.&lt;/u&gt;&amp;quot; Furthermore, a &amp;quot;better mental existence&amp;quot; is subjective. To the viewpoints of the Machine and people that share their interests, sure it&amp;#39;s better. But to those of us that still believe in what IS wrong with their lie and why we rejected it, don&amp;#39;t necessarily think so. &lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:23:47 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;No, the flaw in machinist thought is the same as the thought of our enemies.&amp;nbsp; We believe so firmly that our path is right that sometimes we refuse to see the truth.&amp;nbsp; We refuse to admit fault and defiantly argue otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We are all human here.&amp;nbsp; We are bound to mistakes, arrogance, ambition, greed, pride and self-delusion.&amp;nbsp; As a result we often do no see our errors and thus we are bound to repeat them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Machines have made mistakes.&amp;nbsp; They have done things that our society finds morally unjust.&amp;nbsp; They have done things that have made the most talkative, speechless.&amp;nbsp; However, they are not the only ones.&amp;nbsp; We all have our sins to bear whether we see them or hide them from sight.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Am I blind to continue to follow them?&amp;nbsp; No.&amp;nbsp; Everyone is subject to mistakes, even those who live by logic.&amp;nbsp; However, nothing is ever gained by giving up.&amp;nbsp; Anything worth having is worth fighting for.&amp;nbsp; So you could say that machinists aren&amp;#39;t so different from anyone else.&amp;nbsp; We firmly believe that if we remain with the Machines, a difference can be made.&amp;nbsp; We can learn from each other if we work with each other.&amp;nbsp; That&amp;#39;s practically our motto.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;No one is perfect.&amp;nbsp; Accept it and move forward.&amp;nbsp; Together we can grow.&amp;nbsp; That&amp;#39;s what a machinist truly believes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We have forgiven the Machines.&amp;nbsp; It&amp;#39;s time to forgive ourselves and move forward.&amp;nbsp; Otherwise, someone&amp;#39;s tremendous sacrifice was all in vain.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:00:31 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmmm. . .&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have been giving this much thought lately. Why, if we all agree that establishing a true and lasting peace is the only way we can all survive, are we still arguing? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I can only arrive at one answer. Which, all things being equal, only leads to another question: where is the Oracle? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You see, I&amp;#39;ve reached the conclusion that where we&amp;nbsp;(humans and Machines)&amp;nbsp;are today can be laid at the feet of the Mother of the Matrix. She has been pulling everyone&amp;#39;s strings since the day she met Morpheus, and probably earlier. We&amp;#39;ve been dancing this marionette&amp;#39;s dance to her tune for so long that we&amp;#39;ve forgotten who&amp;#39;s been leading this thing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In any case, I&amp;#39;ll leave you with a few quotes from the Oracle that are germane to the current conversation and the argument as a whole.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Memory&amp;#39;s a funny thing. Sometimes it seems like people remember everything anybody&amp;#39;s ever said to them...but only in a certain context.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;People are pretty good at remembering things I tell them most of the time, though--means I have to be careful with what I say. I suppose I&amp;#39;m used to it by now.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;That&amp;#39;s another funny thing: they&amp;#39;ll remember what I say, even if they don&amp;#39;t know what it meant. Not that I&amp;#39;m complaining, mind you.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Some people listen; some people don&amp;#39;t. Some of those who listen hear what you tell them; most hear what they want to hear. Some of them who heard understand; some don&amp;#39;t get it.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Just another part of playing the odds.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;New day, same old questions: Neo, Morpheus, Smith... Anome may have gone off the deep end because he couldn&amp;#39;t accept reality, but how many people have I met who won&amp;#39;t accept that Neo is gone--that Morpheus is gone? Do I consider them crazy? Hm... Well, maybe a few of them. But having hope might not be such a bad kind of crazy, after all.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;People want power. It&amp;#39;s been that way for a long time, as far as I can tell, and I don&amp;#39;t expect it will change any time soon. The Matrix was supposed to keep people from getting power--real power--but then we had to throw the 1% wrinkle in, and here we are. Is it worth it? The 1%, the One--they were all supposed to stop deaths, stop the killing. Oh, not of the 1%, of course--they were written off anyway--but the other ninety-nine. But nowadays we have things like code bombs and super-powered Unlimit killing bystanders left and right. Oh, sure, they get taken care of eventually, but other problems will come along in the same way.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Machines think they can fix the problem by getting more control. But the more you prevent people from getting power, the harder they&amp;#39;ll try. What can we do? None of the obvious paths seem possible: remove the power, remove the people, or change the people. Can we do any of those? Should we? Boy, this is a real stumper.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;The Matrix is a place with an awful lot of personality. That&amp;#39;s part of what fools a lot of people, you know; they don&amp;#39;t think that a computer simulation could possibly have so many real characters in it. It&amp;#39;s taken a whole lot of tinkering, but we&amp;#39;ve managed it, although I&amp;#39;ll admit that we may have a few kinks left to work out. The Architect may have gone a little overboard when he allowed for the creation of the Merovingian&amp;#39;s personality, for instance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But that&amp;#39;s what we get for trying to emulate humans, I suppose: unpredictability. Anyway, our various high-profile personalities seem to keep our guests amused, and they--the humans, I mean--give us some pretty interesting characters to study in return. They&amp;#39;re always asking about the Merovingian, or Seraph, or Sati, or even me; but they also want to know about Niobe, and Morpheus--who I don&amp;#39;t think they&amp;#39;ll ever forget--and the rest. They argue over them, even fight over them, and, of course, over each other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s possible that without personalities involved, we might not have the threat of war. But without personality, would there be anything worth fighting for?&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;I realized the other day that I hadn&amp;#39;t really asked anyone what they think of the Truce--not about how successful or unsuccessful it is, but how they feel about it. See, I know that many people believe in it very strongly, but some don&amp;#39;t. They may see it as a sham, an obstacle, a compromise... Everybody has their own take on it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peace can be more confusing than war. It&amp;#39;s harder to take sides. Maybe that&amp;#39;s why some try so hard to break it.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #cc9999;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;It&amp;#39;s funny how sometimes if you just sit down and talk to someone, things will clear right up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Take these E Pluribus Neo folks, for example. Big, tough &amp;quot;terrorists,&amp;quot; right? Well, I don&amp;#39;t know. I try not to categorize people, at least not before I&amp;#39;ve had a chat with them. Sit &amp;#39;em down, ask &amp;#39;em just what it is they&amp;#39;re after, and you start to realize that maybe things aren&amp;#39;t as gosh-darned complicated as they looked when everyone was running around with guns blazing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The thing is, people don&amp;#39;t usually take the time to stop and try to figure out what it is they&amp;#39;re really after, and they don&amp;#39;t realize that most people are pretty much after the same things, when you drill right down to it. Put those two types of misunderstanding together, give one group something the other doesn&amp;#39;t have, and boy, you&amp;#39;ve got trouble. Happens every time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I had a chat with them. We talked about some pretty surprising things, too. Will it make a difference? That depends on what they decide to do. Maybe followers of Neo are just gonna repeat his mistakes no matter what. Could do worse, I suppose. Good intentions won&amp;#39;t always pull you through by themselves...but they&amp;#39;re not a bad start.&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:21:18 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Pyraci wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;But Zionites so very readily took the privilege of awakening them without direct intervention from the Machines, therefore accepting the Machines as the authority of the simulation and started to wake the 1%. Sure they were doing it beforehand but only in small amounts, considerably less than the 1% who rejected the system until Neo came along for a few months. Logic doesn&amp;#39;t have anything having the privilege to extract with no recourse. And as I have previously mentioned before, just because Zion has had the privilege taken away does not inhibit Machinists to do so if we wish. The systems stance on the Merovingian waking bluepills, if he ever sanctions such an act, would most likely be the same as Zion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Humans only physically stay in the pods, they &amp;#39;live&amp;#39; out their lives within the simulation not knowing any different then what our ancestors knew. They would in all likelihood lead out a better mental existence there than in the real.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These are assumptions, and you know what happens when we make assumptions. The flaw in the Machinist human thought is the attempt to anticipate what the Machine sees fit in regards to situations like this based on speculation. You&amp;#39;re probably right in that they may treat attempted extractions by the Merovingian opts the same way as Zion. But that&amp;#39;s because they don&amp;#39;t want more of their &amp;quot;crop&amp;quot; in Zion or anywhere else. There was no clause given that states that their own can do whatever the hell they want. Colonel Sanders said &amp;quot;&lt;u&gt;No more extractions are allowed.&lt;/u&gt;&amp;quot; Furthermore, a &amp;quot;better mental existence&amp;quot; is subjective. To the viewpoints of the Machine and people that share their interests, sure it&amp;#39;s better. But to those of us that still believe in what IS wrong with their lie and why we rejected it, don&amp;#39;t necessarily think so. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think the 99.9% approval rating of the simulation speaks for it self. They are happy with thier world. This is one of the many reasons we protct the matrix, and why we dont like it when poeple come and fugg it all up.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:34:49 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>Not all of Zion is out to see the Matrix destroyed. We&amp;#39;ve all done things here to keep this lie in running order. The Machinist isn&amp;#39;t the only protector of this place. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Furthermore, that 99% only exist that way as long as they are given a choice, a choice they don&amp;#39;t know about. Although millions accept what they experience as reality in the Matrix, the idea that people &amp;quot;like&amp;quot; this lie is another assumption. There are those that simply accept it because they don&amp;#39;t know any different. This is just like Plato&amp;#39;s allegory of the cave. If you&amp;#39;ve never lived outside of the cave, you don&amp;#39;t know that the rest of the world exists. The only ones that get out are the ones that feel something is wrong, one way or another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for what the Machines and Machinists don&amp;#39;t like, I don&amp;#39;t think the majority of us give a sh!t. We don&amp;#39;t like it when the Machine comes to fugg our home up, but it still happens. &lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:06:19 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>I&amp;#39;m in none of those photos. Now I&amp;#39;m a sad panda. &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:10:59 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>But was alot of fun. &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:11:22 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;cov wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;To recap, Machinists believe that it&amp;#39;s okay for human beings to live out their entire lives immersed in a bath of liquified human remains being fed a steady diet of electromagnetic lies&amp;nbsp;by&amp;nbsp;an artificial intelligence.&amp;nbsp; I and many others, on the other hand, believe that this is&amp;nbsp;ghoulish and perverse, and&amp;nbsp;that we can do better than settling for&amp;nbsp;merely&amp;nbsp;being the host for a parasitic race of Machines . . . even if we have to make our way in a world that has been destroyed by people fighting an ancient war we had nothing to do with.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We don&amp;#39;t say it&amp;#39;s ok.&amp;nbsp; We&amp;nbsp;accept that it&amp;#39;s necessary for the survival of our species, in this world that can no longer support us all.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;We don&amp;#39;t say that the humans of today&amp;nbsp;deserve to be punished because of what our ancestors did...but we do acknowledge that our current situation is a result of the actions of our ancestors, and that this situation is unlikely to change&amp;nbsp;until the real world can support us (all of us, not just the tiny portion of humanity that&amp;#39;s taken or is ready to take the red pill).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m tired of all the whining about how we don&amp;#39;t deserve this.&amp;nbsp; Of *course* people don&amp;#39;t deserve to be punished for something that was done centuries before they were born!&amp;nbsp; But people do have to live with the consequences of those earlier actions...and those actions of our ancestors blackened the sky and destroyed the ecosystem.&amp;nbsp; This is the situation we have to live with.&amp;nbsp; So until someone comes up with a way to unscorch the sky, humanity is going to stay right where it is.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If all you focus on is your own self pity and anger, you will never be able to do anything constructive about that situation -- you will never be able to help make things better, for yourself or for the rest of humanity.&amp;nbsp; Instead of wasting your energy like this, why not work towards clearing the sky?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Illyria&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:19:06 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Pyraci wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for what the Machines and Machinists don&amp;#39;t like, I don&amp;#39;t think the majority of us give a sh!t. We don&amp;#39;t like it when the Machine comes to fugg our home up, but it still happens. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then the best option would be to be cool,&amp;nbsp;and behave. I know not all zionists are rageing lunatics like Anome, however the possibility is a great one. Since the truce began the machines havent done anything to harm or make the humans think they would harm them. Then came the command center beneath the powerlines. You got what you deserved.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:29:19 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;imax wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Pyraci wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for what the Machines and Machinists don&amp;#39;t like, I don&amp;#39;t think the majority of us give a sh!t. We don&amp;#39;t like it when the Machine comes to fugg our home up, but it still happens. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then the best option would be to be cool,&amp;nbsp;and behave. I know not all zionists are rageing lunatics like Anome, however the possibility is a great one. Since the truce began the machines havent done anything to harm or make the humans think they would harm them. Then came the command center beneath the powerlines. You got what you deserved.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Therein lies the problem. The Machine has and is still doing and allowing things to harm people in the name of purpose, efficiency, and self-preservation. Tell someone else to &amp;quot;be cool and behave.&amp;quot; Obedience isn&amp;#39;t peace, it&amp;#39;s submission. Submission and peace are not the same, even if both calm the fighting down for a time. I think it&amp;#39;s a waste of breath to tell us to get out and be obedient, while you&amp;#39;ve got a guy in your system that isn&amp;#39;t interested in obedience to the Machine, and shows that he doesn&amp;#39;t need to answer to anyone. Machines can&amp;#39;t control him or stop him, nor can Machinists, and he&amp;#39;s more interested in the idea of people being freed than submission. You&amp;#39;re getting what YOU deserve.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:57:47 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.1.3] Do not approach the wireframed man - Recursion - 11/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Pyraci wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;imax wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Pyraci wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for what the Machines and Machinists don&amp;#39;t like, I don&amp;#39;t think the majority of us give a sh!t. We don&amp;#39;t like it when the Machine comes to fugg our home up, but it still happens. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then the best option would be to be cool,&amp;nbsp;and behave. I know not all zionists are rageing lunatics like Anome, however the possibility is a great one. Since the truce began the machines havent done anything to harm or make the humans think they would harm them. Then came the command center beneath the powerlines. You got what you deserved.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Therein lies the problem. The Machine has and is still doing and allowing things to harm people in the name of purpose, efficiency, and self-preservation. Tell someone else to &amp;quot;be cool and behave.&amp;quot; Obedience isn&amp;#39;t peace, it&amp;#39;s submission. Submission and peace are not the same, even if both calm the fighting down for a time. I think it&amp;#39;s a waste of breath to tell us to get out and be obedient, while you&amp;#39;ve got a guy in your system that isn&amp;#39;t interested in obedience to the Machine, and shows that he doesn&amp;#39;t need to answer to anyone. Machines can&amp;#39;t control him or stop him, nor can Machinists, and he&amp;#39;s more interested in the idea of people being freed than submission. You&amp;#39;re getting what YOU deserve.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Obedience in this case is simply cooperation. The machines obeyed the truce, Zion and EPN did not. The machines only wanted you to do what they were doing.... &lt;i&gt;submitting&lt;/i&gt; to the t&lt;u&gt;ruce&lt;/u&gt;, not to them. But that time is now over since Zion repeadetly has shown no intrest in cooperation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think were going in circles again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:04:14 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;I think it&amp;#39;s obvious at this point that you two are just arguing for the sake of arguing.&amp;nbsp; You&amp;#39;re getting absolutely nothing accomplished, save for wasted breath. (Good read though!)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As far as the Intruder is concerned, Ez, don&amp;#39;t assume he&amp;#39;s on your side just because he&amp;#39;s not too compliant with the Machines.&amp;nbsp; This may turn out to be a problem for both sides.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Lastly, as far as what we all deserve...may there be mercy on us all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:09:08 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Garu wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think it&amp;#39;s obvious at this point that you two are just arguing for the sake of arguing.&amp;nbsp; You&amp;#39;re getting absolutely nothing accomplished, save for wasted breath. (Good read though!)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As far as the Intruder is concerned, Ez, don&amp;#39;t assume he&amp;#39;s on your side just because he&amp;#39;s not too compliant with the Machines.&amp;nbsp; This may turn out to be a problem for both sides.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Lastly, as far as what we all deserve...may there be mercy on us all.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Heh, I&amp;#39;m talking about the intruder. Talking about why we&amp;#39;re at war or who&amp;#39;s right is what&amp;#39;s going around in circles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Did I say he was on &amp;quot;our&amp;quot; side? No.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I said he&amp;#39;s more curious(from his conversations in other encounters) about freedom and control than what the Machines want him to do. I also reiterated that he&amp;#39;s not just going along with or submitting to &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt;. Not &amp;quot;us&amp;quot;, not &amp;quot;you&amp;quot; or anyone else.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:19:20 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;That may be so but you implied that he&amp;#39;s deservedly &lt;i&gt;our&lt;/i&gt; problem.&amp;nbsp; I merely stated that he may be &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; our problem.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Debate the war and whose right/wrong all you want.&amp;nbsp; It&amp;#39;s wasted breath.&amp;nbsp; Obviously if we could agree, we wouldn&amp;#39;t be on opposing sides of the fence.&amp;nbsp; Right?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:31:43 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>Your friend said that we&amp;#39;re getting what we deserve and I was pointing out that that sh!t goes both ways. I&amp;#39;m done with the f&amp;#39;ing debate about the war and who&amp;#39;s right/wrong. I&amp;#39;ve already decided and understand it for myself. Like I said in my last post, I&amp;#39;m merely defending my presence here, and I&amp;#39;ve already given my opinion on what&amp;#39;s going on with this entity.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:39:07 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Pyraci</author>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;You&amp;#39;re preaching to the choir now, Ez.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;((OMG, Go get laid or something, Ez!! &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt; ))&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:46:43 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Garu</author>
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<title>Re:[9.1.3] Do not approach the wireframed man - Recursion - 11/30/07</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Garu is not my friend......&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;jk &amp;lt;3 garu&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;but to clear things up hear, I did not start the argument on whos wrong and whos not. This did...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Pyraci wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;&lt;cite&gt;cov wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Illyria22 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Neoteny wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;But Pyraci&amp;#39;s got the idea right - the Accelerated Man&amp;#39;s got an iron resolve and he&amp;#39;s not about t kowtow to anybody. If he&amp;#39;s got questions, he&amp;#39;s going to be here until he gets answers. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;And&amp;nbsp;I&amp;#39;m going to do what I can to&amp;nbsp;help him. Seems like Zion and EPN are of the same mind, too.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;I&amp;#39;m sure it&amp;#39;s as obvious to the Intruder as it is to everyone else that Zion and EPN just want to use him as a weapon against the Machines...just like Zion wanted to use the General as a weapon against whoever they thought was their enemy that week.&amp;nbsp; I&amp;#39;m sure this will work out just as well for Zion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;Illyria&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;It&amp;#39;s not surprising that the Machines&amp;#39; apologists try to diminish the potential tactical significance of the Intruder, even as those same apologists are kept completely out of the loop by the Machines. I&amp;#39;m sure that this blind faith in the Machines&amp;#39;&amp;nbsp;mercy/beneficence/victimhood (or however Machinists justify their allegiance this week)&amp;nbsp;will work out just super.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;In any event, I suspect the Intruder&amp;nbsp;is not likely to allow itself to be &amp;quot;used&amp;quot; by anyone, as a weapon or otherwise.&amp;nbsp; At the same time, anything&amp;nbsp;that can level a pack of Agents&amp;nbsp;with&amp;nbsp;a snap of&amp;nbsp;its fingers is something I&amp;#39;d like to get to know a little better.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;Exactly, and while we&amp;#39;re on the subject, the Machine and it&amp;#39;s Machinists use their resources and assets to their advantage with disturbing tenacity. I think it&amp;#39;s a little hypocritical to try to call Zion or EPN out as using anyone or anything as a weapon when the other side of the fence does it without remorse.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I only tried to end it&amp;nbsp; &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:49:13 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ff3333;&quot;&gt;Honestly, Machinists, just calm down, take a break, get some coffee. Seriously you will never convince Zionites/Neonites that you are right at all, because your beliefs are not agreeable to us and never will be.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ff3333;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;My Fellow Zionites and Neonites, there really is no point in arguing with the Machinists, they are convinced of their Beliefs, But we are as well, hence why we clash. Do Not Let the Cypherites discourage you, their efforts are wasted because they are trying to prevent the inevitable, we will contact the Intruder. Besides the Intruder must be understood, for one must study the enemy and know his objectives, if he is to be defeated, assuming hs&amp;#39;s our enemy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:23:30 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;xenin wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #ff3333;&quot;&gt;Honestly, Machinists, just calm down, take a break, get some coffee. Seriously you will never convince Zionites/Neonites that you are right at all, because your beliefs are not agreeable to us and never will be.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;((Honestly?&amp;nbsp; why even play the game then?))</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:04:31 GMT</pubDate>
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