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<description>&lt;div&gt;someone said to me they was dropped down to level 2 that used it fair enough.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But they was a level 45 before that ok they used it but you took all there hard earned xp thats out of order if it was me i would cancel account think before you do things dev&apos;s its not the players fault there are bug&apos;s thats your job dont blame then for useing it if everyone new of it they would have all used it never mind its dun fixed move on&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:28:54 GMT</pubDate>
<author>gavin</author>
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<description>&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I somewhat agree with Gavin here, I have a couple of guys in my faction that that happened to, they came across the Security Device accidentally and now are back to level 2 when before they were 39 and 45.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The devs should be more careful and not having things like this out there and not punish those who only come accross it, I am not saying that whay my mates did was right either, but at least remove the &amp;quot;gained&amp;quot; experience as Walrus quoted, not all their prior levels as well.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If it was something like the agent spawn thing, ya, ban their arses, that messes up an entire server!  But this wasn&apos;t hurting nobody else...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Again, I dont agree but the devs are at fault here too and they should at least apologize for creating the situation&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;hr&gt;gavin wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;someone said to me they was dropped down to level 2 that used it fair enough.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But they was a level 45 before that ok they used it but you took all there hard earned xp thats out of order if it was me i would cancel account think before you do things dev&apos;s its not the players fault there are bug&apos;s thats your job dont blame then for useing it if everyone new of it they would have all used it never mind its dun fixed move on&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:54:59 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Manatik</author>
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<description>&lt;i&gt;someone said to me they was dropped down to level 2 that used it fair enough.&lt;br&gt;But they was a level 45 before that ok they used it but you took all there hard earned xp thats out of order if it was me i would cancel account think before you do things dev&apos;s its not the players fault there are bug&apos;s thats your job dont blame then for useing it if everyone new of it they would have all used it never mind its dun fixed move on&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&apos;t agree at all. They got off lightly. Instead of being put back to level two, they should have been banned from all SOE games. So they exploited after hitting level 45, tough luck. They should just be happy that they can, in fact, still play the game. If you don&apos;t like the thought of losing *all* your levels, don&apos;t ever touch an exploit. They have served as a very good example for everyone else. Take note.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:08:12 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Chuui</author>
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<description>&lt;div&gt;please what if loads used it ban um all there would be no matrix so shut it it was a bug not there fault soe fault every one uses some expliot at some time there has been a few weather they be xp or new ones so dont come that i say ban everyone then sell matrix then no one can do it grow up was a bug fix it get on with it&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:26:12 GMT</pubDate>
<author>gavin</author>
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<description>how the hell does remagdiv seem to have 64 billion info lol sounds like something fishy is going on ????&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:44:48 GMT</pubDate>
<author>n%2Fa</author>
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<description>&lt;i&gt;please what if loads used it ban um all there would be no matrix so shut it it was a bug not there fault soe fault every one uses some expliot at some time there has been a few weather they be xp or new ones so dont come that i say ban everyone then sell matrix then no one can do it grow up was a bug fix it get on with it&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wow. Just wow. If loads used well, they all get banned. Simple as. They know the rules, click on the agreement of the rules as we all do. They are not special. Yes it was a bug in the code, but it is *our* responsibility to report such problems as we find them. We are not to make a little macro to keep using it over and over and over until we go from level 20 to 50. That is not the devs fault, that is not a bug. That is a player, purposefully exploiting a flaw in the code knowing full well that what they are doing is not intended game play and thus almost certainly something that should not be done. Sorry to say it, but what you are saying is very poorly thought out. People who exploit and certainly those who did it in the manner of *this* exploit, knew full darn well that what they did was an exploit. There is no way they can claim ignorance of that fact and certainly should have been banned. They were darn lucky to get off with a simply reset. But then from your reaction, I have to wonder if you would have used the same exploit... If you would have done, better rethink that plan next time one pops up.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:30:52 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Chuui</author>
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<description>Good... but nothing to fix the obscene lag I&apos;ve been experiencing since 39 came out? Dang.&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:51:12 GMT</pubDate>
<author>DeBarlo-ED</author>
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<description>&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;i didnt say they didnt no what they was doing but its bull if your saying no one would have used it if they new the whole server would be reset to level 2&apos;s. I feel sorry for um they need to re think thats all some used it only to get a few levels and to take them all is bull **bleep**.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;They suck at fixing buggs and everything else nothing has happened for like 2 months again test server wow big deal its down an from what i&apos;v heard really messed up just like um to give us something crap.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:59:57 GMT</pubDate>
<author>gavin</author>
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<description>I agree with Chuii. They got off lucky. Some things are obvious exploits and bugs, that was one of them. And Gavin if you hate the way SOE fixes bugs and all the issues you stated, why are you still playing?&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:20:56 GMT</pubDate>
<author>kwnart</author>
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<description>well kwnart that wasn&apos;t a very good point u raised there, i mean would you quit the game cos u didnt like the way the company fixes bugs? no i didnt think so&lt;br&gt;(and i know someone will reply to this saying &amp;quot;well actually yes i would because.... &amp;quot; etc etc just to try and prove me wrong, and just to try and deter anyone from doing it... if u do il just know i was right and feel all warm inside &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;)&lt;br&gt;and what someone sed abut usin a macro to do it.... i never thought of that method i spent AAAGGEESS hittin tab and &apos; &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt; BURN ME!!</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:59:29 GMT</pubDate>
<author>eyeless</author>
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<description>gavin, I really don&apos;t want to make you any more mad, but could you please punctuate? It&apos;d get easier to read. I&apos;m not saying you have to get all the spelling right (I know I don&apos;t), but it&apos;d help get your point across.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, there&apos;s two types of exploits:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(1) - bugs in the system which allow for someone to gain something they&apos;re not supposed to;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(2) - features they meant to implement in a certain way, but didn&apos;t realise could be used in a different manner to gain an unfair advantage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, what the TOS says is that, in simple words, you can&apos;t use exploits, or you might be banned. Sure, exploits exist due to their programming, but it&apos;s still expressly forbidden to use them. Now everyone signed the TOS, or they wouldn&apos;t be here. Sure, you might not have read the whole thing, and while that wouldn&apos;t be an excuse to begin with, still fewer than 0.1% of everyone in the game are ignorant about the possible consequences of exploiting in MMOs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;So the excuse of &amp;quot;it was your bad, just fix the bug and let it slide&amp;quot; doesn&apos;t stick. People knew what they were doing was wrong, the official penalty is banning. I think it was actually big of them to put them back to Lv2 instead of that.&lt;br&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:33:40 GMT</pubDate>
<author>WarIock</author>
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<description>&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;hr&gt;Walrus wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;This thread is for discussing the hotfix to Update 39 scheduled to release on January 11, 2006. You can read the notes &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://mxoboards.station.sony.com/matrix/board/message?board.id=live_update&amp;message.id=2&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good, took me a month or so of solid grinding, insane teamwork and being on the Hostile server to hit 50, kinda devalues everything people work towards when you see someone lvl 5 one day and 50 the next.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ban them all and &apos;orf&apos; with thier heads i say.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Regards&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:39:58 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Jiinx</author>
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<description>&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Just out of curosity, how much XP were they getting from this exploit? I mean was someone able to level by leaps and bounds in a single day or something? I mean how did it work?</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:22:29 GMT</pubDate>
<author>WGAnubis1</author>
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<description>How did it work? well i think i can answer that one :p what it was was that the computer console in the merovingian mission &amp;quot;the bagman&amp;quot; could be disabled by using disable security interface and a disable device tool. depending on what lvl u were, u got different xp. It was about the same amount of xp that you&apos;d get from killing an npc. But you could keep clicking the console, or use a macro to keep doin it, or configure 2 keys to count as clickin the mouse so u could hammer them and it would go double fast. And yer you could go from lvl 5 to 50 in about 2 or 3 hours if u really wanted to, but it would get borin and ur arms would ache like hell. And yes. I speak from experience. and dont worry... i got punished...TWICE! lol &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt; im gonna delete that char now anyway cos its awakened is lvl 50 and so i cant use any abilties till im lvl 50 lol &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;, i still got another honest 50 though so its all good. &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:04:20 GMT</pubDate>
<author>eyeless</author>
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<description>&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;hr&gt;WGAnubis wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Just out of curosity, how much XP were they getting from this exploit? I mean was someone able to level by leaps and bounds in a single day or something? I mean how did it work?&lt;br&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;Level 5 - 50 in as fast as 5-10 minutes depending how many macros you had setup simultaneously.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2-3 hrs would be if you were there without macros&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:40:53 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Manatik</author>
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<description>&lt;div&gt;Wow, I take back my orginal statement, im glad this was hotfixed.&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:43:10 GMT</pubDate>
<author>WGAnubis1</author>
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<description>&lt;div&gt;Hey chuui you know what the difference between level 2 and a ban? 20$&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:27:52 GMT</pubDate>
<author>HayabusaN</author>
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<description>&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;hr&gt;gavin wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;someone said to me they was dropped down to level 2 that used it fair enough.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But they was a level 45 before that ok they used it but you took all there hard earned xp thats out of order if it was me i would cancel account think before you do things dev&apos;s its not the players fault there are bug&apos;s thats your job dont blame then for useing it if everyone new of it they would have all used it never mind its dun fixed move on&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry but the punishment was light, he should have been banned! And if it was you and you canceled your account, good riddance.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:02:01 GMT</pubDate>
<author>ZeroByte</author>
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<description>&lt;i&gt;Hey chuui you know what the difference between level 2 and a ban?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yeah I do: Exploiters getting off lightly. When the rules clearly state a ban as punishment, anything else is a blessing for them and thus they have no right to complain. It&apos;s also giving the wrong the impression, some idiot could spam all day at Mara C and they get a ban. Did they &amp;quot;hurt&amp;quot; any one? No, people could have just simply moved to another area. Yet they get bans. Did they exploit the system for personal gain? No. Yet they get bans. But these exploiters caused far more harm than the spammer. But they get a simple reset? That doesn&apos;t add up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You state the difference is $20. So what&apos;s the difference between an exploiter and a mass spammer?</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:47:10 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Chuui</author>
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<description>&lt;div&gt;I&apos;m glad they fixed it.  You all can thank G7G for finding this and reporting it.  =)  We were seroiusly hot on the trail of Foresaken and their fast leveling ways.  A level 2 noob would walk into a building and walk back out a lvl 50 in an hour or so.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Sorry sploiters... it wasn&apos;t a very good sploit anyways.  You would end up with a lvl 50 noob cause you had no money to upgrade your abilities.  Leveling up in 10 minutes isn&apos;t worth the lack of fun.  Seriously, the info is where it&apos;s at.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But the reasoning behind deleveling ppl and not banning is due to those who just find the exploit and not realizing that it was one.  Although after about 2 levels in 5 min, I&apos;m sure you woud feel guilty for doing it.&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:15:58 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Cognoscente</author>
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