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<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Roukan wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If you take it like you should take hollywood movies, based means he contorted it to fit the time and how he saw fit. Obviously it wasn&amp;#39;t like this 1999, but it wasn&amp;#39;t hell either. Humans couldn&amp;#39;t take bliss or suffering, but a nice mixture of both. The Architect regardless would have saw that after the taking down of the 2nd iteration, but the Oracle offered the choice solution which led to the Third Version working.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which brings me to the question, could the hell or heaven iteration work if the choice was there still?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Of&amp;nbsp;course it wasn&amp;#39;t exactly like this one I&amp;#39;m sure every isntance has had a few changes here and there. But to assume that the intire place was a &amp;quot;Hell&amp;quot; is just silly and shows just how much the popular&amp;nbsp;ideas and rumors people had after the trilogy have taken over what was actully said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Your second question is one I&amp;#39;ve also wonderd and really all ive come up with is a simple idea. The first version would be a no because of the second reason it failed. No one could keep up with the rules. The second version, maybe. We don&amp;#39;t know enough about it&amp;#39;s rules other then what it was based off of to decided though.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I was under the impression the heaven version didn&amp;#39;t work because the AgentSeraphim abused their devastating powers.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:54:16 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;br /&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Roukan wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Roukan wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If you take it like you should take hollywood movies, based means he contorted it to fit the time and how he saw fit. Obviously it wasn&amp;#39;t like this 1999, but it wasn&amp;#39;t hell either. Humans couldn&amp;#39;t take bliss or suffering, but a nice mixture of both. The Architect regardless would have saw that after the taking down of the 2nd iteration, but the Oracle offered the choice solution which led to the Third Version working.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which brings me to the question, could the hell or heaven iteration work if the choice was there still?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Of&amp;nbsp;course it wasn&amp;#39;t exactly like this one I&amp;#39;m sure every isntance has had a few changes here and there. But to assume that the intire place was a &amp;quot;Hell&amp;quot; is just silly and shows just how much the popular&amp;nbsp;ideas and rumors people had after the trilogy have taken over what was actully said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Your second question is one I&amp;#39;ve also wonderd and really all ive come up with is a simple idea. The first version would be a no because of the second reason it failed. No one could keep up with the rules. The second version, maybe. We don&amp;#39;t know enough about it&amp;#39;s rules other then what it was based off of to decided though.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I was under the impression the heaven version didn&amp;#39;t work because the AgentSeraphim abused their devastating powers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Actually the First Matrix didn&amp;#39;t work because Humans couldn&amp;#39;t accept it, it wasn&amp;#39;t &amp;quot;real&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From The Matrix:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Agent Smith: &lt;/b&gt;Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. </description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:57:25 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>Excuse the double post:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://thematrixonline.station.sony.com/images/en/forum_posts/070302_ookami_vector/012.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://thematrixonline.station.sony.com/images/en/forum_posts/070302_ookami_vector/015.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://thematrixonline.station.sony.com/images/en/forum_posts/070302_ookami_vector/034.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:58:37 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Surfel wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;On what you said though, Gami, vampires, werewolves, aliens, etc etc, are all born from what the machines would view as distasteful and even grotesque ideas and beliefs - the architect did say &amp;quot;the varying grotesqueries&amp;quot;, so he wasn&amp;#39;t just referring to war and other nasty behaviour.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given that every program created has a purpose, then logically it has to follow that the Twins, Cain and Abel, et al were created for some specific reason. And given that they have the traits of ghosts, vampires, werewolves, etc, then logically it must also follow that they were created to &amp;quot;give life&amp;quot; to those beliefs- the problem with their existence being that alot of people DON&amp;#39;T believe in vamps, w&amp;#39;wolves, ghosts, etc.&amp;nbsp; And right there you have a major problem - it&amp;#39;s already been seen that lack of belief in a core tenet of the matrix (as a program) causes a rejection of whatever the subject of belief is - so you get people who can see through walls, hit really hard, basically do things the program shouldn&amp;#39;t allow. Whilst not believing in the existence of supernatural beings wouldn&amp;#39;t grant you any stuponfucious (penny arcade ftw &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;&quot; width=&quot;15&quot; height=&quot;15&quot; /&gt; ) powers, it would still prove problematic for the system.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;m guessing the version of the matrix that encompassed such beings as those didn&amp;#39;t just run into problems from the lack of choice, it also ran into problems because rational folk were able to see through some of the aspects of it and see what it was really all about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is assumeing they are born as is and intended to look that way. Again V2 was to accuretly show our human nature through our history,&amp;nbsp;not symbolicly with vamps. The Oracle explains how programs like them come to be, they don&amp;#39;t do what they intended and this casues the system to try and asimulate them. The end result is what we see now. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also the Architect is not an idiot. Once the V1 failed because no one would accept angels and paradise as being real im sure it became abunditly clear that he had to remain within the plausible ideas of man if he wanted a chance&amp;nbsp;of them believing the lie.&amp;nbsp;Reality over the Imagination.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:59:43 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;@ Roukan:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ah, so I wasn&amp;#39;t imageing that event. Oh well as I said in the first post MxO CONTRADICTION!!!!!!!. GG Rarebit&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But I do notice a lack of explination as to which version she is refering to. V1 mixed Heaven and hell still has a breath in it!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:03:37 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;MetaLogic wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Roukan wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Roukan wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If you take it like you should take hollywood movies, based means he contorted it to fit the time and how he saw fit. Obviously it wasn&amp;#39;t like this 1999, but it wasn&amp;#39;t hell either. Humans couldn&amp;#39;t take bliss or suffering, but a nice mixture of both. The Architect regardless would have saw that after the taking down of the 2nd iteration, but the Oracle offered the choice solution which led to the Third Version working.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which brings me to the question, could the hell or heaven iteration work if the choice was there still?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Of&amp;nbsp;course it wasn&amp;#39;t exactly like this one I&amp;#39;m sure every isntance has had a few changes here and there. But to assume that the intire place was a &amp;quot;Hell&amp;quot; is just silly and shows just how much the popular&amp;nbsp;ideas and rumors people had after the trilogy have taken over what was actully said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Your second question is one I&amp;#39;ve also wonderd and really all ive come up with is a simple idea. The first version would be a no because of the second reason it failed. No one could keep up with the rules. The second version, maybe. We don&amp;#39;t know enough about it&amp;#39;s rules other then what it was based off of to decided though.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I was under the impression the heaven version didn&amp;#39;t work because the AgentSeraphim abused their devastating powers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Actually the First Matrix didn&amp;#39;t work because Humans couldn&amp;#39;t accept it, it wasn&amp;#39;t &amp;quot;real&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From The Matrix:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Agent Smith: &lt;/b&gt;Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Its both as I explained earlier. Lack of accepting (see Smith and Architect quote) mixed with lack of obeying (Malphas event).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And *CENSORED* triple post. Sorry about that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:05:39 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;@ Roukan:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ah, so I wasn&amp;#39;t imageing that event. Oh well as I said in the first post MxO CONTRADICTION!!!!!!!. GG Rarebit&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But I do notice a lack of explination as to which version she is refering to. V1 mixed Heaven and hell still has a breath in it!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I believe the contradiction is speculaiton. We don&amp;#39;t actually know what happened in that version.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:16:51 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;@ Roukan:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ah, so I wasn&amp;#39;t imageing that event. Oh well as I said in the first post MxO CONTRADICTION!!!!!!!. GG Rarebit&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But I do notice a lack of explination as to which version she is refering to. V1 mixed Heaven and hell still has a breath in it!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If that picture wasn&amp;#39;t enough to convince you, then you trully are ignorant. V1 being Heaven &lt;i&gt;and &lt;/i&gt;Hell? How would demonic creatures make any world a paradise?</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:26:09 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;monkeymanx8 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;@ Roukan:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ah, so I wasn&amp;#39;t imageing that event. Oh well as I said in the first post MxO CONTRADICTION!!!!!!!.&lt;/b&gt; GG Rarebit&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But I do notice a lack of explination as to which version she is refering to. V1 mixed Heaven and hell still has a breath in it!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If that picture wasn&amp;#39;t enough to convince you, then you trully are ignorant. V1 being Heaven &lt;i&gt;and &lt;/i&gt;Hell? How would demonic creatures make any world a paradise?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ah I forgot this was the internet and its almost impossible to convey sarcasm. Facts still stand that other then what&amp;#39;s been said in MxO the trilogy never hinted at a &amp;quot;Hell&amp;quot; Matrix but the fact that MxO says there was is enough for me&amp;nbsp;to realzie I was wrong. Actully I think I sorta made that point in that first sentence.&amp;nbsp;Those pics don&amp;#39;t mention what version Ookami is refering to but I do realize that it is most likely the second version, although, &amp;quot;That version? A world built on human fantasies&amp;quot; -Ookami, makes me wonder.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As for how a heaven and hell would work, same idea behind most relgious ideas of the afterlife. Do good and dont *CENSORED* off the supream being you stay in paradise. Screw up and you burn. Balance and all that, something the Matrix needs to&amp;nbsp;remain stable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:49:19 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;monkeymanx8 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;@ Roukan:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Ah, so I wasn&amp;#39;t imageing that event. Oh well as I said in the first post MxO CONTRADICTION!!!!!!!.&lt;/b&gt; GG Rarebit&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But I do notice a lack of explination as to which version she is refering to. V1 mixed Heaven and hell still has a breath in it!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If that picture wasn&amp;#39;t enough to convince you, then you trully are ignorant. V1 being Heaven &lt;i&gt;and &lt;/i&gt;Hell? How would demonic creatures make any world a paradise?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ah I forgot this was the internet and its almost impossible to convey sarcasm. Facts still stand that other then what&amp;#39;s been said in MxO the trilogy never hinted at a &amp;quot;Hell&amp;quot; Matrix but the fact that MxO says there was is enough for me&amp;nbsp;to realzie I was wrong. Actully I think I sorta made that point in that first sentence.&amp;nbsp;Those pics don&amp;#39;t mention what version Ookami is refering to but I do realize that it is most likely the second version, although, &amp;quot;That version? A world built on human fantacasies&amp;quot; -Ookami, makes me wonder.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As for how a heaven and hell would work, same idea behind most relgious ideas of the afterlife. Do good and dont *CENSORED* off the supream being you stay in paradise. Screw up and you burn. Balance and all that, something the Matrix needs to&amp;nbsp;remain stable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the truth is when Reloaded was made, the Wachowski brothers may have intended it to be just a bad-history-based simulation. But, because the Architect&amp;#39;s statement was so general, it was easily changed to what they have it as now.</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:58:58 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>When Reloaded came out I assumed a war torn world of pain and suffering, but that would be all human causing. When that event happened, I accepted it as canon of MxO.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I see everything in a much different light than most people. While MxO&amp;#39;s direction leads to this, we don&amp;#39;t know and won&amp;#39;t ever know exactly what the Wachowskis had in mind for the 2nd version of the Matrix. I play this game based on what Rarebit has told us the story to lead to, and combine it with what was said in the movies to speculate.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:09:58 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Roukan wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;When Reloaded came out I assumed a war torn world of pain and suffering, but that would be all human causing. When that event happened, I accepted it as canon of MxO.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I see everything in a much different light than most people. While MxO&amp;#39;s direction leads to this, we don&amp;#39;t know and won&amp;#39;t ever know exactly what the Wachowskis had in mind for the 2nd version of the Matrix. I play this game based on what Rarebit has told us the story to lead to, and combine it with what was said in the movies to speculate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don&amp;#39;t we all.</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:33:02 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that Ookami event threw everybody off track.&amp;nbsp; Prior to that (or excluding that event as canon), we had this:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1.&amp;nbsp; Constructs are storage units designed to hide Exiles between iterations of the Matrix.&amp;nbsp; This is how the Merovingian &amp;amp; Co. escaped the Smith ruckus.&amp;nbsp; (Although it never explained 01 and 10).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2.&amp;nbsp; Exiles are manifestations of self-aware programs, manifested visually by archetypal / mythological forms.&amp;nbsp; But before they became self-aware and started to do their own thing, they&amp;nbsp;would&amp;nbsp;have had these forms to begin with in case a bluepill accidently saw one of them doing whatever that program was supposed to be doing normally.&amp;nbsp; So a bluepill would tell his friends &amp;quot;OMG I saw a ghost!&amp;quot; and the other bluepills would say, &amp;quot;Yeah whatever dude&amp;quot; and dismiss it so it wouldn&amp;#39;t cause all sorts of problems.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It just seems pretty inefficient to me to have a whole iteration of the Matrix&amp;nbsp;based on&amp;nbsp;one&amp;nbsp;sorry&amp;nbsp;mix of Van Heflin / Torchwood / X-Files / Charmed / World of Warcraft etc.&amp;nbsp; &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:27:41 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Villemar_MxO</author>
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<description>MxO is the &amp;quot;official continuation of the story.&amp;quot; I don&amp;#39;t want to argue if it&amp;#39;s canon or not, but ask yourself this: If the events of Reloaded and Revolutions were in MxO, and only The Matrix had been released, would you want to consider it all canon? I know a lot of people (few here though) that didn&amp;#39;t like the final two installments, and their vision of the Matrix comes only from The Matrix.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:55:32 GMT</pubDate>
<author>MotorZ</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;MotorZ wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;MxO is the &amp;quot;official continuation of the story.&amp;quot; I don&amp;#39;t want to argue if it&amp;#39;s canon or not, but ask yourself this: If the events of Reloaded and Revolutions were in MxO, and only The Matrix had been released, would you want to consider it all canon? I know a lot of people (few here though) that didn&amp;#39;t like the final two installments, and their vision of the Matrix comes only from The Matrix.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does this have to do with agents or even The Matrix V2?</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:23:12 GMT</pubDate>
<author>monkeymanx8</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;monkeymanx8 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;What does this have to do with agents or even The Matrix V2?&lt;/blockquote&gt;If you read all the posts in the thread instead of just arguing with them, you&amp;#39;d know.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People are arguing whether the &amp;quot;hell&amp;quot; matrix is just an MxO thing or a Matrix thing, and it doesn&amp;#39;t matter. They are one in the same, whether someone likes it or not. There&amp;#39;s some stuff that is in MxO just cuz it&amp;#39;s a game, but stuff like this isn&amp;#39;t just a concession for gameplay.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:28:00 GMT</pubDate>
<author>MotorZ</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;MotorZ wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;monkeymanx8 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;What does this have to do with agents or even The Matrix V2?&lt;/blockquote&gt;If you read all the posts in the thread instead of just arguing with them, you&amp;#39;d know.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People are arguing whether the &amp;quot;hell&amp;quot; matrix is just an MxO thing or a Matrix thing, and it doesn&amp;#39;t matter. They are one in the same, whether someone likes it or not. There&amp;#39;s some stuff that is in MxO just cuz it&amp;#39;s a game, but stuff like this isn&amp;#39;t just a concession for gameplay.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No need to get all pissy about it. I just thought your post was a little of topic, but it&amp;#39;s irrelevant nonetheless. I was discussing the idea with the Hell matrix in this thread,&amp;nbsp;even if that is seen as arguing. You assume if people have to different ideas that they&amp;#39;re arguing?</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:01:04 GMT</pubDate>
<author>monkeymanx8</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;monkeymanx8 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;If that picture wasn&amp;#39;t enough to convince you, then you trully are ignorant. V1 being Heaven &lt;i&gt;and &lt;/i&gt;Hell? How would demonic creatures make any world a paradise?&lt;/blockquote&gt;I would consider the above post an argument, yes. /shrug&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:18:53 GMT</pubDate>
<author>MotorZ</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;MotorZ wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;monkeymanx8 wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;If that picture wasn&amp;#39;t enough to convince you, then you trully are ignorant. V1 being Heaven &lt;i&gt;and &lt;/i&gt;Hell? How would demonic creatures make any world a paradise?&lt;/blockquote&gt;I would consider the above post an argument, yes. /shrug&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;/golfclap</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:20:06 GMT</pubDate>
<author>monkeymanx8</author>
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<description>well about the Okami event, she talks about a world based on fantasy and all that, maybe that would include fight agaisnt evil, and that construct is part of the... heaven matrix where people used to go to be heroes, just a idea i had, and the 2nd matrix could be the war torned world that looked like work of the man&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;well, this is a interesting, really dizzy conversation and that, who knows maybe the 2nd version of the matrix was a war torned world where hitler ruled mounted in a giant mechanical spider impulsed by goblins in weels and having orcs nazi bodyguards arund him, hehe&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:25:37 GMT</pubDate>
<author>BandaAncha</author>
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