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<title>Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Ebola wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So... the Morpheus Simulcra sort of can&amp;#39;t survive out of the Matrix, can he? Why would he want to harm the System? Or is there something else going on, Pace?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If Morpheus could, he would give his life to destroy the Matrix to get Neo&amp;#39;s remains.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m just saying, that&amp;#39;s all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:09:56 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Reeverb wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Ebola wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So... the Morpheus Simulcra sort of can&amp;#39;t survive out of the Matrix, can he? Why would he want to harm the System? Or is there something else going on, Pace?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If Morpheus could, he would give his life to destroy the Matrix to get Neo&amp;#39;s remains.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m just saying, that&amp;#39;s all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yep.&amp;nbsp; And we&amp;#39;ve seen plenty of cases of exiles trying to destroy the system: General, Smith, The Assassin...&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:15:34 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>Hm...? So Morpho-bot is under arrest for speaking to dangerous and powerful Exiles?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don&amp;#39;t we do this every day? Don&amp;#39;t you Machinists collect and trade code to benefit Exiles? Don&amp;#39;t you Machinists run errands for Exiles? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pace, I believe we must arrest every single human operative for...&amp;quot;further questioning.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:29:28 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08</title>
<description>All about probable cause - this is a sim created by The General of Morpheus - two people who made serious attempts to do harm to the system. Not quite the same situation as loyal operatives.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:32:59 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;kou_urake wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;All about probable cause - this is a sim created by The General of Morpheus - two people who made serious attempts to do harm to the system. Not quite the same situation as loyal operatives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is the sim that gave up Zion&amp;#39;s mainframe code. &lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:35:02 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;span style=&quot;color: #00ffff;&quot;&gt;Teach a new dog new tricks,&amp;nbsp; but yet he still acts on his old tricks?...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh and if all you are an &amp;quot;Assumer&amp;quot; don&amp;#39;t think for a second that I called the god of Dreams a dog. I have much more respect than that. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:35:16 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Tytanya_MxO wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Err oh yeah...... errr........The man who located and inspired Neo, the chosen instrument of the oracle, the man whose actions&amp;nbsp;provided&amp;nbsp;machines and mankind it&amp;#39;s only Peace for hundreds of years,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Oracle didn&amp;#39;t choose him... the machines did.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; She just knew what he was.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:10:56 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;imax wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Tytanya_MxO wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Err oh yeah...... errr........The man who located and inspired Neo, the chosen instrument of the oracle, the man whose actions&amp;nbsp;provided&amp;nbsp;machines and mankind it&amp;#39;s only Peace for hundreds of years,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Oracle didn&amp;#39;t choose him... the machines did.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; She just knew what he was.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I personally think that the Simulation in its programming chose the suitable candidate for the carrier of the anomalous code, the Machines knew it would happen and almost when, and the Oracle, being a program, recognised the code. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Morpheus is a program, a simulation of the original who is dead. He was given incomplete memories and other aspects of the original by the General. The point is he is not the man people wish him to be but he still showed ability to emulate the original and as such can be as dangerous. He was instructed not to speak to those with agenda against the system, he did not comply and was therefore he was to be arrested. Arrested just means taken into custody not a sentence of death. He chose not to come quietly and explain his actions. So Pace attempted to take him by force. A poor decision? Possibly, but it depends on what she has been instructed by the system.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is no evidence that Pace was going for the kill, If I can get someone to hold still by shooting a leg then Pace would be much better at it. It would not be efficient to kill him when trying to find out answers.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:47:49 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;imax wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Rarebit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Bayamos wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;3 of the teams encountered Runtimes / Accelerators&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not quite.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;wha?&amp;nbsp; I know we encountered a runtime and accelerators that were corrupting machine programs which were attacking us.&amp;nbsp; Not exactly sure what the other teams encountered then.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;They were decelerators, at least the one in Gracy was. Not sure about the others, but maybe that&amp;#39;s what he meant.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:55:52 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Archangel wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;imax wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Rarebit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Bayamos wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;3 of the teams encountered Runtimes / Accelerators&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not quite.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;wha?&amp;nbsp; I know we encountered a runtime and accelerators that were corrupting machine programs which were attacking us.&amp;nbsp; Not exactly sure what the other teams encountered then.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;They were decelerators, at least the one in Gracy was. Not sure about the others, but maybe that&amp;#39;s what he meant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;ah yea,&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; I got confused because we were fighting &amp;quot;Accelerated Machine programs&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:01:14 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>((If anyone cares....she did open fire and fired twice at him while he stood there and took both hits before running.))</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:38:12 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;kou_urake wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Yep.&amp;nbsp; And we&amp;#39;ve seen plenty of cases of exiles trying to destroy the system: General, Smith, The Assassin...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, the&amp;nbsp;urge&amp;nbsp;to&amp;nbsp;destroy comes from fleeing from an oppressive&amp;nbsp;system&amp;nbsp;(e.g.&amp;nbsp;country).&amp;nbsp;It&amp;#39;s&amp;nbsp;not&amp;nbsp;like&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;Machines&amp;nbsp;are&amp;nbsp;happy&amp;nbsp;about&amp;nbsp;programs gaining&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;own&amp;nbsp;will,&amp;nbsp;which&amp;nbsp;means&amp;nbsp;that&amp;nbsp;they&amp;nbsp;have&amp;nbsp;no&amp;nbsp;means&amp;nbsp;of&amp;nbsp;mind-control&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;immediate&amp;nbsp;unquestioned&amp;nbsp;deletion.&amp;nbsp;Usually&amp;nbsp;programms&amp;nbsp;gain&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;own&amp;nbsp;will&amp;nbsp;by&amp;nbsp;find&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;purpose&amp;nbsp;on&amp;nbsp;their own by&amp;nbsp;recognizing&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;errors&amp;nbsp;in&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;system&amp;nbsp;they&amp;nbsp;live&amp;nbsp;in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess, if we wanted to destroy the Exiles, the easiest way would be to destroy the system that creates it, the Machines.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh wait, that sounds familiar. Isn&amp;#39;t that the same way the Machines deal with Zion and their mishappenings? Ironic, isn&amp;#39;t it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- GG&lt;br /&gt; </description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:23:59 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;GoDGiVeR wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, the&amp;nbsp;urge&amp;nbsp;to&amp;nbsp;destroy comes from fleeing from an oppressive&amp;nbsp;system&amp;nbsp;(e.g.&amp;nbsp;country).&amp;nbsp;It&amp;#39;s&amp;nbsp;not&amp;nbsp;like&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;Machines&amp;nbsp;are&amp;nbsp;happy&amp;nbsp;about&amp;nbsp;programs gaining&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;own&amp;nbsp;will,&amp;nbsp;which&amp;nbsp;means&amp;nbsp;that&amp;nbsp;they&amp;nbsp;have&amp;nbsp;no&amp;nbsp;means&amp;nbsp;of&amp;nbsp;mind-control&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;immediate&amp;nbsp;unquestioned&amp;nbsp;deletion.&amp;nbsp;Usually&amp;nbsp;programms&amp;nbsp;gain&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;own&amp;nbsp;will&amp;nbsp;by&amp;nbsp;find&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;purpose&amp;nbsp;on&amp;nbsp;their own by&amp;nbsp;recognizing&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;errors&amp;nbsp;in&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;system&amp;nbsp;they&amp;nbsp;live&amp;nbsp;in.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;Programs have their own will anyway, it is AI, but they have a different way of life to us, many quite happily return to the source when they become outdated or the simulation would probably be overflowing with Exiles, it is just the way their society works. The Machines aren&amp;#39;t pursuing these programs because they have free will, they are doing it because they are not following the principles of Program/Machine culture. You cannot base their culture on ours. For every Exile you see there are most likely hundreds, probably thousands, of programs living through their runtime following the rules of their culture.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:32:21 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>Indeed. Only 1% of mankind rejects the System.&amp;nbsp; The System would not work if more than a similarly small percentage of programs were not working as intended.&amp;nbsp; Not all exiles are marked for deletion, nor are all redpills to be killed.&amp;nbsp; Only those that choose to do harm to the System are punished.</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:51:19 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder what it was that took Pace aback for a second on that rooftop. . .&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hmm, as if she recognized something. . .or was surprised to find what she did.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hmm, well, maybe she was just surprised to see that he hadn&amp;#39;t escaped yet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:19:49 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>I really wanted to be there. Is there a certain time that live events take place?</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:44:39 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GoDGiVeR wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, the&amp;nbsp;urge&amp;nbsp;to&amp;nbsp;destroy comes from fleeing from an oppressive&amp;nbsp;system&amp;nbsp;(e.g.&amp;nbsp;country).&amp;nbsp;It&amp;#39;s&amp;nbsp;not&amp;nbsp;like&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;Machines&amp;nbsp;are&amp;nbsp;happy&amp;nbsp;about&amp;nbsp;programs gaining&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;own&amp;nbsp;will,&amp;nbsp;which&amp;nbsp;means&amp;nbsp;that&amp;nbsp;they&amp;nbsp;have&amp;nbsp;no&amp;nbsp;means&amp;nbsp;of&amp;nbsp;mind-control&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;immediate&amp;nbsp;unquestioned&amp;nbsp;deletion.&amp;nbsp;Usually&amp;nbsp;programms&amp;nbsp;gain&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;own&amp;nbsp;will&amp;nbsp;by&amp;nbsp;find&amp;nbsp;their&amp;nbsp;purpose&amp;nbsp;on&amp;nbsp;their own by&amp;nbsp;recognizing&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;errors&amp;nbsp;in&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;system&amp;nbsp;they&amp;nbsp;live&amp;nbsp;in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Programs have their own will anyway, it is AI, but they have a different way of life to us, many quite happily return to the source when they become outdated or the simulation would probably be overflowing with Exiles, it is just the way their society works. The Machines aren&amp;#39;t pursuing these programs because they have free will, they are doing it because they are not following the principles of Program/Machine culture. You cannot base their culture on ours. For every Exile you see there are most likely hundreds, probably thousands, of programs living through their runtime following the rules of their culture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*sighs* Ah well. The reason why it is an oppressive system, much like the Matrix, is because it does not accept fallouts. As soon as a program decides things on it&amp;#39;s own against the decision of the System, it is unlikely that that program will be allowed to continue&amp;nbsp;much further (Options: Repgrogramming (mindwashing), deletion, exile). &amp;quot;Against the decision of the System&amp;quot; does not imply that the decision made by the program is harmful to the System.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You are right in saying that most programs go peacefully, it&amp;#39;s also true that the Matrix wouldn&amp;#39;t be able to hold the onflood of Exiles, well no, the only thing that the Machines wouldn&amp;#39;t be able to hold is the mixing between the Blues and Exiles, which would inevitably happen if there were to be more Exiles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, Starschwar, the reason why some Exiles and Redpills are not targeted is because they do not pose intermediate danger. But these certainly are on the target-list of the Machines, you can bet on it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Edit: On another note:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The System is a &amp;quot;Überwachungs-&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Präventivstaat&amp;quot;. Though it works perfectly in theory (much like Communism), it does infringe one major need for any intelligent being, which is also the reason why it ultimately fails: Personal freedom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It may work on the largest population, which give no thought over that kind of system, it is because of brainwashing that begins with the birth and ends with the death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Right now, the System is such, as well as the Matrix.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- GG&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:26:39 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08</title>
<description>Presumably Cryptos was just arrested at some point in his life, nope he wasn&amp;#39;t killed he was benevolently made into the very thing he spent his whole life resisting (actually a fate worse than death for any comitted human)..... and yes&amp;nbsp;any discussion is kinda mute&amp;nbsp;if Pace shot first (...unless you are reading the&amp;nbsp;George Lucas&amp;nbsp;special edition of course?)</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:34:36 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Tytanya_MxO</author>
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<title>Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08</title>
<description>Looked like a decent event, wish the decision of what a player can experience content wise wasn&amp;#39;t being left up to other players.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:27:27 GMT</pubDate>
<author>NightTrace</author>
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<title>Re:[9.2.5] You are under arrest for conspiracy against the System! - Recursion - 2/8/08</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Reeverb wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Ebola wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;So... the Morpheus Simulcra sort of can&amp;#39;t survive out of the Matrix, can he? Why would he want to harm the System? Or is there something else going on, Pace?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If Morpheus could, he would give his life to destroy the Matrix to get Neo&amp;#39;s remains.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m just saying, that&amp;#39;s all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;You must have forgoten that this is the same Sim that gave Cryptos the key for us and the Machine&amp;#39;s being able to kill many Zion Operatives.... I don&amp;#39;t call that being loyal to Zion.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:33:46 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Ebola</author>
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