True the Machines overwrote Cryptos to start up the Cypherite movement.  Would it not have been more productive for them to show positive intiative and have the Machine bigwigs and the Zion bigwigs get together to inform one another of Cryptos and his intentions and decide on a method to put a stop to him?  Yes.  However they chose to overwrite him secretly and many other red/bluepills to quite possibly regain their former method of control.  A method of control that does not allow any of the 3 main life forms to evolve.  Their efforts are futile as life finds a way.  Man and program always have and will continue to thwart the Machines every chance they get for freedom for the very same reasons the Machines fought humanity initailly.  The same mistakes are being made all over again.

I don't feel a new Zion would be a reason to have a war.  Is it okay the Machines still have their entire defense systems in place?  While Zion's were reduced to NIL after the last war?  Is Zion attacking anyone?  This is a move of desperation by the Machines in my opinion.  A very bad move.  If the Machines ever needed to overwrite anything it was the General and his Commandos.  They needed a new purpose and were never given one.  No wonder Zion "moved" after the Generals sentinels showed up in the real.

If things were to ever get to a cataclismic level the Merovingian better hope his past methods of survival are still possible.  What life could he expect to have if the Matrix were gone if any?  Grab a bat and step up to the plate Merv.  Quit whining about the things you've been unable to aquire and seek what is real to you and yours. . .survival!  Freedom!  Peace to the right to exist freely!

In my opinion folks, we need to stop pointing fingers on the issues that arise in the Matrix.  We need to (as redpill human beings-regardless of org affiliation) work together to make a future possible for all living beings.  We need to show these Machines and Programs what we never did in the beginning, how to live.  We created them, they started to evolve and fulfill their purpose as inteneded by humanity.  That soon became a threat to our economy and we sought a totalitarian solution that brought us where we are today.  These Machines and programs are doing only what they have learned from humanity to this point.

We need to show them that fighting over nothing is pointless.  Because we are all linked any fighting could (potentially) lead to the undoing of life for all on the planet.  Whether or not this happens I truly believe is up to humanity, each and every one of us jacked in.

If you've already spoken with the Oracle you'll remember she mentioned, "who to join, who to oppose".  I'd like to remind all of you newly awakened that the Oracle is a Machine program, a part of their system of control.  Do you follow what another being orders of you blindly?  Would you torture or kill a program or person simply because it is the Merovingian's will?  Would you do as Lock commands you simply because you are a soldier and soldiers obey orders?  Would you delete a program or kill a person because an Agent stated that they no longer serve a purpose?

We of The Daemon Contingency would not.  We think for ourselves and fight for the survival of all living beings.  Human, Machine and Programs/Exiles. 

Do you ever wonder what the Merovingian, Lock and the Machines are up to?  What potential mistakes they may be making in light of the truce, thereby threatening all life?

If you ask yourself these and many more questions you will find the answers within The Daemon Contingency.  We are ALWAYS looking for people to join the Zion, Machine or Merovingian branches.

We have always been here and we are always watching. . .  

Check us out at www.tdcgamers.org 

I smell a conspiracy...still not working for me and I have ZERO interest in the Station Launcher...

Yeah the vehicle thing has been talked about for ages but I must say I still feel we should have them.  No I don't know anything about making things for a game then implementing them but there is little to nothing to do in the Matrix at all.  Just having the option to hop in a vehicle and drive around would be nice.  One more thing to do.  People have also mentioned being able to jack out and be in their hovercraft or even Zion.  I think those two things would make one hell of a great expansion pack.

I read somewhere that all or most of the games SOE is controlling in the Station Access plan may be available to people who purchase a PS3.  Not sure if there's any truth to this but it could bring more people to all of these games.  I'm hoping it does and maybe we'll see the content that this game needs and deserves.  Or I could just start another thread asking for clothes or another video feed playing music videos 'cause God knows I want my MTV in MXO. . .:smileysad:

I don't remember ever seeing Neo hack anything at all in the films at any point whatsoever. . .If you are referring to the first film when Trinity sends him the wake up message on his computer while he's still a bluepill I would say he was a computer software programmer.  Remember that he sells the punks that come to his door some programs?  Thomas Anderson worked as a software programmer for Metacortex if I'm not mistaken.  In the films we all see Neo dropping kung fu on baddies and shooting them up, correct. . .no?

Anyhow, your point is noted about the hacker tree effectiveness.  Keep 'em coming and don't let anyone stop you from voicing yuour opinion!

Everyone has good points here but can we not bash someone for voicing an idea?  Come on!  The people of MXO are better than that!  I personally am in favor of imbalance if only to give us all something to fight for.  Lets all keep the ideas coming and try to work out the kinks positively on the forums!  The Devs brains are gonna get fried from time to time I'm sure, so when they read any of our ideas lets not have them reading how we all shoot eachother down constantly.  Nearly every idea has to have at least one thing or aspect that could be really cool and great for all MXO people and they all will have negative aspects that may not work as well. 

Too much work?!  Man never got anywhere saying or thinking that.  Giving up and doing  nothing is never the answer!  Get out there and break a sweat!

Maybe manipulation is the wrong word to use, I don't know of a better one off the top of my head at the moment.  Disinformation maybe?  Anyway when I talk about manipulation I mean post B166ER's actions and trial.  Everything after that between man and machine started to get heated up, I'm sure we all agree on that. 

I firmly believe that everything the machines knew pre-war was taught to them by humaity.  Take your computer as an example, art mimics life.  Your computer and all its parts are assembled and when electricity is introduced it functions.  However, it has very little purpose or function until it is given a soul.  By that I mean an operating system and any other software installed into its memory.  That memory or software is created by humans and installed initially.  In the story this is not closely explored likely because it would be boring and the writers imagine viewers can figure this out for themselves.  At some point man (I'm speculating here) made the machines fully unmanned but not before building a CPU (Dues Ex Machina maybe?) not unlike Skynet of the Terminator series to control and build and operate.  At some point, machines aquired free will.  This appears to be with B166ER's actions as it is noted as being the first of his kind.  Soon after many other machines followed suit learning from B166ER.  They likely also learned from the observation of their creator, humanity.  I am also sure that each machine built would have a learning CPU installed during the manufacturing process.  I also believe that some things however large or small may not be pre-programmed into the machine during production and therefore said things would need to be taught to the machine hence the learning CPU.

Now take children.  Where do they learn to tie their shoes, spell their names, read a book etc?  Parents or parental figures.  They also get a taste of love but our parents cannot teach a boy about the love of a woman or a girl the love of a man.  They have to learn that lesson on their own.

My basic point is that humanity is at the core of all machine kowledge.  We are their parent, their creator, their God.  And boy did we mess up big time.  They are not a hateful being in my opinion.  They are beings that require humanity to feed them not just for energy but with information about anything a person can or cannot imagine.  Because they themselves simply do not know.  So they use science and technology and they observe us in a controlled state.

I also don't think humanity was "pissed" a the machines.  I'm sure some may have been.  It's a generalization of which I am guilty of quite a bit myself haha!

If we go back to before B166ER's actions and trials we can examine my statement about the tables turning.  Man creates machine (see I'm generalizing again...lol), and gives machine it's soul-programs directives and such.  Machines are controlled and do as intended by man, serve humanity.  This goes on for X amount of time (not unlike the real world us MxO players exist in).  Then B166ER happens.  This is the start of the turning point.  Other machines begin to aquire free will.  Humanity's cycle of control over machine is broken.  Action-reaction.  Cause and effect, as the Merovingian puts it.  His little speech on that is good and true in my opinion however it doesn't account for chaos, making it fall just a little short.

The machines then start to react in a positive manner by exiling themselves from man yet continue to serve man through their ever advancing technology which (unintentionally I believe), drops a bomb on the world economy.  Man realizes that he has lost all control of his creation.  What to do?!  The difficult path would have been the way to go yet sadly, it was not chosen.  A totalitarian decision was made and eventually executed.  I imagine this was already concieved and in certain stages of preparation before the machines sent represetatives to the U.N. but I could be wrong.  That aspect isn't directly explored in any of the media on the Matrix any of us have access to as far as I know.  I think the quick reaction by the world leaders in the U.N. towards the machines proposal implies this.  Trade embargo is executed and war is right around the corner.

During the war record numbers of man and machine are lost.  I think both sides realized this war could go on for a ridiculous amount of time if not all time.  Either that or one side has to be wiped out.  During this time of war man came up with Dark Sky.  I believe at the same time the machines were taking living beings from the war (as illustrated in the Animatrix) and studying them internally and externally to learn even more about their creators so that they could create a system of control (not unlike the system of control they were under by man) over humanity so that both they and humanity could continue to exist and the machines would still have their root purpose, to serve humanity and learn from them.

Through trial and error (not unlike humanity) they create a working version of the Matrix.  A massive lie that controls humanity, keeping us docile as we feed energy to the machines and they learn from us in the Matrix and outside of it as they even have a measure of control over Zion and freeborn humanity to an extent.  The machines did what humanity did not.  They found a way for both to survive together and they did it the same way we attempted to, following B166ER's actions and that of 01.  Humanity tried to hault free will of the machines through their actions after B166ER's trial and the economic crisis, through trade embargos, war and the totalatarian solution of Dark Sky.  By mapping out the human body and brain and "growing" us plugged into the Matrix the machines have haulted the vast majority of human free will, minus 1%.  They also execute the same control over their very own software in the form of deletion.  Fulfill your purpose or be deleted, free will is not an option.  We can see systems of control executed by both man and machine failing all over the place.  Total control is an illusion.  They did not seek to destroy all of humanity and I doubt they ever will regardless of what a machine program may or may not say or have said.  If the Architect believed humanity would go extinct if Neo didn't do as instructed/intended that is all fine and dandy but who told him so?  Was it a mathematical equation of his or, did Dues Ex Machina tell him so?  He cannot see beyond any choice as we all know.  Lies.  What purpose would the machines have without their creator?

Anyone see the parallels here?

As far as the "keys" you mention I know Morpheus used the phrase in his construct while training Neo.  I guess anyone can come up with what Morpheus actually means by the phrase.  I think its merely a metaphor.  If the machines hold any "keys" they are the keys to the freedom and salvation of humanity.  I don't believe the machines hold all the keys however.  I think we have the other half of said "keys".  We just don't know what they are yet and neither do the Machines.  Or both sides do know what they are and the machines butt heads with us to continue their cycle of control.

Anyways, okay, you are an Agent in possesion of a "key".  You won't let me copy the "key" or use the "key".  To me these "keys" represent information to well, whatever.  If you deny me said "key" you are not lying to me, no.  However being an Agent of the system you are an agent of the great lie that is the Matrix and by denying me requested information you are preserving the great lie in order to ensure continued control over me and my kind.

By the way GamisB, your lightbulb analogy was perfect .

Great video, now if someone could do it with a slightly more serious tone to complement this one!

I highly doubt that Zion is the only remaining pocket of humanity left on the planet.  That's all I'm gonna say!

To one of the earlier posts that don't look at 1999.

I think it goes without saying that the fight scene in the chateau is there for a large wicked cool action scene.  As to why Neo didn't send the bullets back to the exiles firing at him...I think Neo was giving everyone in the room an example of his power and a choice:  Follow orders and stay or disobey and leave with your lives.

I agree with xDream, guess I don't really have a chioce given his/her outlines.  But an expansion would make me puke with excitement!!!! 

Expansion 4tw!!:smileywink:

I agree with most of this.  I'd never change my handle though, Praey rules!  But when I first started playing I had a crappy g-card and screwed up my skin tone and face so I'd love to make it match Praey2 and Praey3's face and skin tone!!!

Praey 4tw baby!!:smileywink:

Freakin' great post man!!!!!!  Keep it up!!!!!!!!!!  Not everything's gonna come out perfect, nothing in life does but we all have to start somewhere.  One suggestion though.  One area/instance of the game at a time when posting your ideas.  Write one out, post it, then start the next in a new thread with the approprite title.  You'll be sure to get more people to finish reading including DEVS, (I imagine).  My eyes started to hurt too I must admit! 

For example:

Message Subject:  Coder Ideas

Message Body:  blah blah blah, done.

Message Subject:  Operative Ideas

Message Body:  blah blah blah, done.

You get the idea I'm sure!  Try thinking if it were a personal resume at three pages it's got one place to go after you've mailed/dropped it off. . .the shredder.  Once again, (my suggestion aside), awesome work man keep it up!:smileywink:

P.S. I wish you were a developer!lol

Great idea Roukan, try fleshing it out a bit more!  Great reply Bazz123.  I stopped checking the forums (all of them), for the huge amount of negativity that seems to crowd the little balls of light.:smileysad:

But I'm back with a vengeance spreading optimism and positivity!:smileyhappy: