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Kanya wrote:

Tatranka wrote:

But you might tell me the definition of "cheap weapon", that would be a good start.


That's pretty easy. Lasher in red

There's a weapon in the game that costs 4 zero certs, requires little to no aim requires little to no aim (as it is an area of effect weapon), can kill an agile in 2 hits, damage stacks damage stacks if more than one person is lashing you and burns. Also lights up cloakers, and can kill said cloakers in one shot. It can be hotswapped, and has the quickest weapon switch of any other has the quickest AP switch of any other weapon.

This weapon comes in stacks of 3, Comes in boxes of what 50?? you can carry an obscene amount of ammo in your agile or rexo, you can carry an obscene amount of ammo in your agile or rexo. Has two modes, delayed and instantaneous. has two modes, regular and AP.

See where I'm going with this? Do you see where im going with this.

So in all honesty, the most overpowered weapon in the game is Plasma, hence why it is overused for cheap kills.

So in all honesty, the most overpowered weapon in the game is the lasher, hence why it is overused for cheap kills, and players who couldnt man up on NC or TR are playing VS giving them dominant pops allowing them to hold benefit conts, giving them not only lasher, but giving thier vehicles benefits.

Causes players FPS to drop, and allows user to warp more.

Yes the lasher needs fixed. But then so does Scatmaxes and plasma.

The only empire that can really complain are the TR since they seem to get missed on the balance schedules each and every time.

 


Message edited by Stride32 on 05/20/2009 06:19:44.



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Kanya wrote:

That's pretty easy.

See where I'm going with this?

Yes the lasher needs fixed. But then so does Scatmaxes and plasma.

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No I don't see that.

Scatmaxes cost 0 certs and you can carry them in your inventory?

Do you understand the word "definition"? I didn't ask for a wannabe-witty descripion of plasma grenades, I was asking in general, how does a weapon (or cert or tactic) become seen as "cheap" by people like yourself. It's not a rhetorical question, it's a normal question where I demand an answer.

Does "xx need to be fixed" mean "xx is cheap"? You keep confusing those little concepts. So please try to think it over a bit finally.




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Ryathorz wrote:

JlaMo wrote:
we'll runn some duels your mcg versus my lasher (been on opposing empires) and you'll find out WHAT do i call instagib, deal?

More of a pulsar man myself.
The term 'instagib' will never be an appropriate way to describe something that doesn't instantly gib someone, waving your e-peen around and challenging people to duels won't change that.

I say that something/someone instagibs me when i can do nothing to prevent it. I can do nothing to win agile fight versus a skilled player with lasher, neither can do anyone i think. And there was nothing about my e-peen, i was saying only about lasher, i didnt suggest you duels on equal weapons as you could see in my previous post. Maybe i've stroked lasher's e-peen lol




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JlaMo wrote:

I say that something/someone instagibs me when i can do nothing to prevent it. I can do nothing to win agile fight versus a skilled player with lasher, neither can do anyone i think. And there was nothing about my e-peen, i was saying only about lasher, i didnt suggest you duels on equal weapons as you could see in my previous post. Maybe i've stroked lasher's e-peen lol

Anyway, the true power of the lasher shows in groups, not duels.




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Maybe you should play in more groups when you use lasher then.

I'll post your "definitions" after I finish work.


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Kanya wrote:

Maybe you should play in more groups when you use lasher then.

Maybe you should start making sense.




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I better log in to get my free rexo. Doubt I will use it though



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JlaMo wrote:
I say that something/someone instagibs me when i can do nothing to prevent it. I can do nothing to win agile fight versus a skilled player with lasher, neither can do anyone i think.

Well lets try this a different way - if you and your clone ran headlong into each other in a base and both opened fire at the same time, the one with the mcg would win, barely (netcode allowing).
If you and your clone used pshield and meds the mcg would still win, by a larger margin.

The new lasher is easy to land with at short range, but is ultimately the least damaging of the three weapons against agile armour - you lose because you miss or because your opponent got the jump on you in some way.

Lasher vs MCG in rexo is a different kettle of fish.


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Dan was most certainly kidding when he said that, but it's just adding fuel to the fire. Though, if he is joking about it, it certaintly points to nothing being done about it. Oh well... after five years of TR, I suppose it's time for a full time change. This lasher is far too much fun to pass up.




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Just looking at your sig I want to say the name "GrandEmperorCeejee" counterglobaling "EmperorBasteg" it would make some laughs.


Message edited by 0noyjitat0 on 05/20/2009 10:06:00.



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Ryathorz wrote:


...you lose because you miss...

well, it's easier to miss with a faster shooting weapon (MCG).




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Tatranka wrote:

Kanya wrote:

Maybe you should play in more groups when you use lasher then.

Maybe you should start making sense.

Didn't think I needed to explain exactly what I was hinting at.




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I still don't get it SMILEY




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the battles that matter and decide things happen indoors and I am one of the few ppl to admit that I suck in combat never really used JH but with mcg vs lasher/JH indoors i can get a 1/1 if im lucky, i picked up lasher few days ago despite how I hate any kind of energy weapon I tried it out and i was averaging 3/1 in tower a base fights. I run at about 60-100fps in combat in normal and red alert so if that is a reason my mcg skills suck i dont know but like I say i am a bad person in cobmat unless I have a Lasher in my hand.

I will say the Lasher wasn't a great weapon before either and why is it that the pop on VS has sky rocketed since the new lasher got implemented and I even hear that the DT have changed from VS because they are fed up of the overpopulation. I dont get that if the lasher isn't the easiest weapons to get kills with why the hords of ppl changing empire to use it.



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Ryathorz wrote:

JlaMo wrote:
I say that something/someone instagibs me when i can do nothing to prevent it. I can do nothing to win agile fight versus a skilled player with lasher, neither can do anyone i think.

Well lets try this a different way - if you and your clone ran headlong into each other in a base and both opened fire at the same time, the one with the mcg would win, barely (netcode allowing).
If you and your clone used pshield and meds the mcg would still win, by a larger margin.

The new lasher is easy to land with at short range, but is ultimately the least damaging of the three weapons against agile armour - you lose because you miss or because your opponent got the jump on you in some way.

Lasher vs MCG in rexo is a different kettle of fish.

Lets try!

If we with my clone start shooting together that me will be dead who has mcg in hands. He will be lashed if the other one miss shots and his cof will be to0 huge to land shots perfectly.

See, you hit nme with lashes even if you MISS your shots. On the other hand, lasher blows up mcg cof and mcg user miss much more than was intended..


 
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