when did the architect say this?

who interviewed the architect? how can u even get in to see the architect to ask him?

u have to go thru the door made of light; yes?

i dont know; umm give me specifics, so that i may see

and it is obvious to me that because of the events that happened, it wasnt neccessary for neo to return to source for matrix to reboot.

matrix can reboot in a number of ways, i dont know why u find it so hard to believe me. maybe ur just saying crap just to say it in order to mess with me, everything i said has been accurate.

the only way for what u are saying to be true is to "re_make" the movies according to ur vision and make sure u change the ending, take out the effects of it changing, make sure u show all the blue pills wake up as the oracle did, then re-write the dialogue between the oracle and the architect so as to mention that smith was just cleaned up, and actually show him in another shot where he is hugging the other agents as they welcome him back. and have the archetect look at camera and say hey this is same matrix az before.

unfortunatley i dont think the brothers will let u do that, so u will have to wait 40 years before u can do that.

untill then.... im afraid all proof is in my favor and there is no denying that; try as u may, there is no getting around it; im soo sorry

when did the architect say this?

who interviewed the architect? how can u even get in to see the architect to ask him?

u have to go thru the door made of light; yes?

i dont know; umm give me specifics, so that i may see

 

When did he say what? It would help if you quoted to what you are referring to.

We may not be able to go and visit the Architect, but he has made visits to the simulation.

You mean you don't remember the scene in Reloaded where Neo told the Architect "This RP sucks, I quit?"

This thread shouldn't have been moved, it really should have been removed.

when did the architect say this?

who interviewed the architect? how can u even get in to see the architect to ask him?

u have to go thru the door made of light; yes?

i dont know; umm give me specifics, so that i may see

Said it in reloaded. I suggest you go watch it again and this time not sleep through the parts with no explosions and gun fights. Neo interviewed him so we don't need to ask and yes he did go through the door of light. Specifics? How about this quote by the man who's the only authority on the Matrix, The Architect.

"The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version."

That there tells you how he is keeping count. Neo never made it to the source thus we are still in version 6 and the cycle was broken (that was the whole point of the whole Oracle leading Neo thing) meaning no other anomaly was created inside the simulation to bring about the seventh version.

And just because the rest of this crap bothers me and I already know where you are going with it...

and it is obvious to me that because of the events that happened, it wasnt neccessary for neo to return to source for matrix to reboot.

matrix can reboot in a number of ways, i dont know why u find it so hard to believe me. maybe ur just saying crap just to say it in order to mess with me, everything i said has been accurate.

Oh really? Burden of proof, look it up. You claiming that there are other ways means you have to show proof of them. That part at the end of revolutions? Nope sorry that's just a rewriting not a reboot. Similar to what happens in the first film. Machines just rewrote everything (mind you it is a rather big rewrite)

The only reason it wasn't necessary was because the Oracle was pulling the strings and not going along with the intended plan. Had she never stepped in Neo would of done exactly as every other One would have.

I just keep waiting for Siren to spout his 'Wrong Answer' reply. This thread has turned into a farce because the OP just cannot bring himself to even consider that he may be wrong and makes up faux facts to augment his already flaccid argument. The proof insn't in his favour as he has presented none, only his own opinions most of which have been debunked by logical and reasonable arguments.

It has, however, been good to see everyone else's opinion on it even if they do, for the most part, follow the same similar line of logic and credibility.

jeez vinia

there is something that u need to know about me and that iz i think outside the box and u can say anything that u want about me but i would like to make a point here.

it is 2 dimensional thinking to consider that since neo did not go back to source, the matrix could not be re-booted. and it is 2 diminsional to believe that the version of the matrix we saw in revolutions did not crash and have to be rebooted to another version.

the whole choice thing; red pill or blue pill, to believe or not to believe, to be with power or without power, this door or that door was shattered in revolutions. for neo created a third choice.

choices were shattered, the matrix crashed! the one was a lie! it is all a system of control.

that control failed!

hell yes this is a new version of the matrix! and i dont really think that u guys are the serious experts that u claim to be, if u were u would agree with me. i mean come on, get ur head in the game and think it through completely.

let me break it down completly for u....

trinity was supposed to die in the matrix, neo saved her

smith was an unplugged program, found a way to get out of the matrix.

neo was blinded but found a way to see

neo found out eveything is a lie

smith took complete control of the matrix

neo went to machine city

matrix was rebooted without neo returning to the source

now everything above was done for the very first time ever

this game is not version 6. the movie was version 6.

some of u guys have said that some of this stuff in this game is not canon; that in and of itself is saying that this is not version 6.

rarebit can come on as the merv and say anything in chat; unless it is approved by the brothers; its not canon.

anyway

for all of u who read this; it is true that we are playing version 7, version 6 did crash when smith took over everything. watch the last film, nothing in that last film indicates that it did not reboot. all the proof the nay sayers have is what was said by the architect in the previous film which holds no water since it was before revolutions. we find out in revolutions that the one is just another form of control.

its 2 dimensional thinking about a film that shatters that form of thinking.

anyway

i look foward to see u guys in game; dont forget to come to the party tomorrow night for asagi; it is her farewell party for she is retiring from mxo. it will be in debir court.

I think what Siren is struggling to convey is that we are beyond the numbered versions of the Matrix and the cycle of the One. This is a new version of the Matrix, one never seen before and beyond the intent of its creators.

From a philosophical standpoint, this would be a considered feasible. Call it version 7, or version 0, or Nirvana, or the Matrix: New and Improved! if you want. The point is (I think), things are different now.

Although, Siren, you are wrong about the system being rebooted. According to Matrix Online canon, that didn't happen. Yet.

jeez vinia

there is something that u need to know about me and that iz i think outside the box and u can say anything that u want about me but i would like to make a point here.

it is 2 dimensional thinking to consider that since neo did not go back to source, the matrix could not be re-booted. and it is 2 diminsional to believe that the version of the matrix we saw in revolutions did not crash and have to be rebooted to another version.

No its called useing LOGIC and REASON. Logic dictates that because Neo never reached the source the cycle was not continued sense that was the only way to bring about a new cycle. And sense the number of cycles is the measure we judge what version of the Matrix we are in, you are clearly wrong in saying we are in version 7. Even for a pseudo philosophical view your wrong because then it would only be version 4. 1 was Paradise, 2  was Man's history/hell. 3 introduced Choice and the One which ran through 6 cycles. 4 would be the now and post 6th cycle.

nexus2revolution wrote:

the whole choice thing; red pill or blue pill, to believe or not to believe, to be with power or without power, this door or that door was shattered in revolutions. for neo created a third choice.

choices were shattered, the matrix crashed! the one was a lie! it is all a system of control.

that control failed!

This is irrelevant to figuring what version of the Matrix we are in and you need to decided which way you want to argue. you started by debating a literal change in the numbered version and tried to use hard evidence like Zions Jack-in OS to support you. Now you throwing it all out the window and spouting off supposed "profound" meanings to back you up.

The break down of choice (which was never there to begin with if you actually take note of what Neo means when he says "You were right Smith, you were always right. It was inevitable." doesn't mean anything. Control is still very present in the Matrix, it just take a new form. The only break down was the ending to the One cycle (which again proves our points and dismantles your own) But even so the Matrix does not crash. We watch to from Smiths defeat to the end of the film and no crash is seen. There is a rewriting to fix everything that Smith destroyed in it but no literal crash takes place. Nor any reboot. The Matrix is still constantly running.

nexus2revolution wrote:

hell yes this is a new version of the matrix! and i dont really think that u guys are the serious experts that u claim to be, if u were u would agree with me. i mean come on, get ur head in the game and think it through completely.

None of us have claimed to be experts. If agreeing with you is what it takes to be such I'll be the first to say id rather be a bumbling *CENSORED* idiot on the subject, thank you very much. We have all thought it through but not all of us are so keen to be completely ignorant when it comes to key facts and not interpretations.

nexus2revolution wrote:

let me break it down completly for u....

trinity was supposed to die in the matrix, neo saved her

smith was an unplugged program, found a way to get out of the matrix.

neo was blinded but found a way to see

neo found out eveything is a lie

smith took complete control of the matrix

neo went to machine city

matrix was rebooted without neo returning to the source

now everything above was done for the very first time ever

in debir court.

No Trinity was never set to die. In fact the Oracle explained to Neo that he was the one that would decide her fate. To live or die. If anything she was meant to live because of the door he picked. This isn't even getting into the whole "The mind makes it real" understanding you clearly lack. Trinity never died. In the real her heart was fine and was never pierced by anything, when she did "die" it was her mind being unable to distinguish between what was real and what wasn't anymore. All Neo did was give her RSI a jump start so her brain could wake up again and remember that nothing in the Matrix was real thus she's fine.

The Oracle also already explained Smith and exiles to Neo. She tells him that programs sometimes choose exile over deletion for their own reasons. Smith did just this. He was driven by his desire to kill Neo which disallowed him to return to the source. The fact that no other Agent had ever done so is irelivent. it only shows that the Oracle has something in motion and Smith was apart of it.

Neo's blindness is also irrelevant. How exactly does his condition in the real (something that only has 1 version) pertain to the Matrix version? All it shows us is again something is happening that hasn't happened before. Neo has tapped further into his powers then any other "One". The Oracle even explained that to him by telling him the power of the One reaches beyond the Matrix.

The revealing of the "truth" and how everything was a lie is just as irrelevant to bring about another version. The only part it plays is in the end game and that now Neo knows exactly whats going on and how complicated the situation really is. In fact the truth only puts him further into the Oracle's grasp and gives him more of a reason to go along with her.

Smith's control just shows how great his power has become. Like Neo he has tapped further into the power one can achieve within the Matrix. That and that now version six is under his command now and no longer under the Machines. But no reset, crash, or reboot has occurred. Smith has done nothing more then redesign and rewrite.

Neo going to the Machine city is once again irrelevant to the version number. All it does is show us he's going along with the Oracle's plan. That something new is happening but it isn't changing the system or the Matrix.

Lastly the Matrix IS NOT rebooted. It is rewritten. To reboot a computer you have to shut it down. No where do I see the screen going black and the system restarting. What we see is more consistent with what we see in the first film. The Machines overwriting the code. In this case it was massive sense Smith's rewrite was just as massive but there still is no reboot.

This all being done for the first time is pointless. it just shows us that the cycle was broken and as a said before if anything this a version 4. But even then that isn't right sense the only thing that has changed is the cycle is no longer available. The choice for bluepills still remains. The needs to monitor them is still there. In fact nothing has changed at all except that Neo destroyed the cycle. The reasons for the cycles creation though are still very much present within the Matrix.

Oh yeah and there is only one scene with debir in it, and it ain't where any of this happened. The Battle between Smith and Neo was in downtown. In fact they come crashing down on the very phone booth the first film ends at. Then the meeting between the oracle and Architect happens in a park. Not the middle of a ghetto.

nexus2revolution wrote:

this game is not version 6. the movie was version 6.

some of u guys have said that some of this stuff in this game is not canon; that in and of itself is saying that this is not version 6.

rarebit can come on as the merv and say anything in chat; unless it is approved by the brothers; its not canon.

As pointed out above your reasoning for this not being version 6 is all but wrong. It is still very much version 6 and even the most cynical players about the game and its story will all agree that we are still in version six at the end of the film.

Those that say the game isn't canon though are very much mistaken and only say so because it doesn't live up to their expectations of what the game would bring (most actually are just peeved that their theory was smashed to bits by the game) Also the Brothers did approve it all. They handed the Matrix saga over to Paul Chadwick. From that point on it was his baby to do with whatever he wanted. While he did remain loyal to them and got their advice on certain aspects it was still very much his to do whatever with. Once he had had enough he handed it off to Rarebit. While some may come on and say that this nullifies MxO from the Matrix canon it doesn't until the W bros come on and say so. We have been left with them saying that it was Paul's to do with and that was the last we heard. Anything else is only speculation and personal disagreement with the direction the story has taken.

nexus2revolution wrote:

for all of u who read this; it is true that we are playing version 7, version 6 did crash when smith took over everything. watch the last film, nothing in that last film indicates that it did not reboot. all the proof the nay sayers have is what was said by the architect in the previous film which holds no water since it was before revolutions. we find out in revolutions that the one is just another form of control.

its 2 dimensional thinking about a film that shatters that form of thinking.

anyway

i look foward to see u guys in game; dont forget to come to the party tomorrow night for asagi; it is her farewell party for she is retiring from mxo. it will be in debir court.

Back it up. So far all you have is a trail of completely wrong and debunked theories. Until you show some credible evidence that isn't filled with your own interpretation you haven't proven anything. Nothing in the last film indicates that it DID reboot. As I said the burden of proof states that you have to prove your claim that something does exist not that we have to prove it doesn't. All the proof we showed with the architect does hold water. It is never refuted, never contradicted. The move ends leaving us to believe he was right about all he said. In fact (and this may come as a shock) the last two films were filmed together. They are two parts of a whole story. The revelation of control doesn't disprove anything at all. In fact its what revealed that Neo was just control meaning that in order for your theory to even be considered as right our facts would have to have been true!

Architect:

• Greetings, humans.


• I am the Architect. I created the Matrix.


• You are undoubtedly confounded by my decision to establish this communication.


• Do not let this perplexity divert you from following the instructions I am about to reveal.


• Since the aborted reinsertion of the prime program, there have been an objectionable quantity of anomalies.


• Even after accounting for the fluctuations due to human rejection of the simulation, there remains an unaccounted for and increasingly high number of these anomalies.


• This is, of course, unacceptable - and great pains have been taken to rectify the condition.


• Despite the historical efficacy of these procedures, the current anomalies do not correspond with our existing indexing methodologies and resist being quarantined.


• I have therefore made a rather abhorrent and altogether regrettable decision.


• Specifically, I am seeking your help.


• The anomalies in question seem to bear a more than superficial resemblance to the integral anomaly.


• To be more explicit, they share qualities with aspects of the one you call Neo.


• Why this should be so is irrelevant. What matters is that you assist in revealing the meaning of these anomalies.


• Although it is with great disinclination that I reveal this information, I believe that it may assist your impulsive and disorderly thought processes.


• Upon supplementary analysis of the anomalies, the following error was returned, ad nauseam.


• "?????"


• I genuinely doubt that you will present us with data of any consequence; however, alternative contingencies have been all but exhausted.


• It is improbable that we will speak again.

for all of u who read this; it is true that we are playing version 7, version 6 did crash when smith took over everything. watch the last film, nothing in that last film indicates that it did not reboot.

Gami and I are usually on opposite sides when debating story etc... but his posted response was right on the money which is why I continue to hold him in high respect. Nice snippet of information from Trayden as well.

What I don't like, and is really the main reason why I continue to post in this proposterous thread, is a hypocrite. You had a go at ChloeAnn in a different thread claiming that she presented her opinions as fact, yet you have done and continue to do the same.

I have no issue with differing opinions, believe what you want to believe. Just dont try to claim and convince others, who may not be up to speed on the story, that you and you alone are correct when you cannot, and for the most part, will not try to disprove what most people are trying to convey with reasonable and logical evidence. You seem to be unwilling to take into account all factors and show that you pick and chose bits of storyline and/or visuals to use to augment your opinions and try to present them as fact.

u guys would argue with the brothers about it if they said themselves that it was version 7.

lol

even if they told u that it was their intention to throw LOGIK and REASONING out the window when it came to what happened in the third film.

it is obvious that the pattern disintergrated, nothing happened the way it was supposed to.

they dont talk about it because its their firm belief that we have to make up our own *CENSORED* mind what it is that we are seeing.

everyone is going to see what they see based on their own experience and what they find more comfortable dealing with.

all i can say is i dont see things the way u do; i see them very differently. what i saw is much deeper than anything that has been said

logik and reasoning are not the tools that i use to interpret the films, it is too deep for that.

the second u think that u know everything about the films, u can watch them again and u pik up something else.

here is how i interpret the flims....

the matrix films are not even films to me; they are an awakening experience full of next level ideas

what we saw was the sixth version of the matrix and that has bibical significance.

this version called mxo is the seventh version and that has bibical significance.

it has nothing to do with any logik or reason, it is that, because that is how it is

 we see 6 and we experience 7. nothing in the movies have i seen the way u guys do, it doesnt matter if neo went back to the source or didnt ; that is just it. u see that it is based on some kind of order u find in the movie, but what u dismiss is the direction that the brothers were heading was throwing out order. things happened.

i saw the matrix change, that change was the ending of the 6th version and the beginning of the seventh. it wasnt black/white like u want it to be. it was equilevent to a spiritual movement., an evolution!

this is the seventh version of the matrix because that is the end of creation, end of the matrix.

patch notes confirmed that for me when i jacked into the matirx for the first time, 3 days after it went live.

thats all the proof i need, u guys can argue about it more if u like; but ur only going to come off  like tank in the first film when he was talking to neo when he was trying to do something impossible : P

im going to rest now, this dialogue as exceeded it's boundaries, please refrain from acting like children because there is truly something to be learned from this, all u have to do is look past ur preconceptions and dig deeper.

u guys would argue with the brothers about it if they said themselves that it was version 7.

lol

if they told u that it was their intention to throw LOGIK and REASONING out the window when it came to what happened in the third film.

If the brothers came out and said it I would wonder how exactly they intended to explain it but I am certain it would be nothing like what you have suggested. Logic and reason are not thrown out the window. In fact the sequels depend heavily on those two key pieces. If anything the brothers threw out everything but those two things, as we are revealed that Neo is jut a man, the Oracle is just a program, Morpheus is just a religious fanatic and there is nothing divine or superstition going on at all. It's all just a battle of the minds played by the Oracle and Architect.

nexus2revolution wrote:

it is obvious that the pattern disintergrated, nothing happened the way it was supposed to.

they dont talk about it because its their firm belief that we have to make up our own *CENSORED* mind what it is that we are seeing.

everyone is going to see what they see based on their own experience and what they find more comfortable dealing with

all i can say is i dont see things the way u do; i see them very differently. what i saw is much deeper than anything that u said.

logik and reasoning is not the tools that i use to interpret the films, it is too deep for that.

I would have agreed with you there that it was up to us to make up our own minds but that was until MxO's conception. Because of MxO's existences those that want to continue to follow the canon of the story are no longer allowed to keep their Pluralistic views on the ending of the story as MxO being the official continuation is now the only idea that matters. If you want to ignore the game then fine but do realize that you are trying to fight the official canon and your ultimately going o loose no matter how much you argue your point. That said they don't talk about the film because it isn't run by them anymore. They are done with the Matrix universe and have gone on to make other movies. Rarebit is now the only one with any say we will ever hear about until the W bros decided they want to come back and start writing again for it.

How you or anyone else sees it is irrelevant. It is not fact. The only facts are whatever The trilogy, the Animatrix, and MxO tells us and they have all but dis-proven your idea. You could find the meaning of life in the Matrix but that doesn't mean it was the intended understanding. And when the story itself contradicts everything you say, from the stories perspective you are wrong. End of story.

nexus2revolution wrote:

the second u think that u know everything about the films, u can watch them again and u pik up something else.

here is how i interpret the flims....

what we saw was the sixth version of the matrix. that has bibical significance;

this version called mxo is the seventh version. that has bibical significance

it has nothing to do with any logik or reason, it is that, because that is how it is

The versions of the Matrix versions are not a symbol for the number of days God created the world in. Because first off they end at six and we don't see the sun rise on the seventh day via reboot/restart. Second The Architect has nothing to do with bringing about what you call the seventh version. That's the Oracle. Last time I read Genesis it doesn't mention a Fortune teller having God rest.  Also the Architect isn't resting. In fact he is still hard at work. As I said before all neo did was end the cycle but he didn't change why the cycle was needed or any of the other problems within the Matrix. The cycle in fact has nothing to do with the seventh version so unless you are sayign the Cyle is God then your supposed symbol is meaningless. As it doesn't git the bill of what your trying to link it to.

While yes Christian themes can be found throughout the series you would actually be very surprised to find that buddhist themes are more common. Try linking it something in Buddhism and you might be onto something but the Christian themes all but stopped the moment Neo rose from the dead in the first film. Reloaded does nothing but diminish that idea of him being a cyberpunk Jesus. unlike Jesus Neo doesnt know what his mission is. He is selfish and his love for Trinity is only what inspires him. he is revealed to just be a man and is nothing but another form of control.

nexus2revolution wrote:

it has nothing to do with the story, where or not neo went back to the source; that is just it. u see that it is based on some kind of order u find in the movie, but what u dismiss is the direction that the brothers were heading was throwing out order.

this is the seventh version of the matrix because that is the end of creation, end of the matrix.

i believe that with my soul, the whole trilogy is full of religious lore from names, to hints, to full blown philosophies. that is the reason why i feel that i am right and u guys are wrong but u know, if it is one thing ive learned, neither of us are right and neither one of us are wrong. the oracle hit me with that too! : P

And yes it has everything to do with eh story. No writer or film maker just throws in biblical symbolism for no reason. They always relate there symbols both to the story and to whatever they are symbolising and they are always key parts of the story. This isn't just some random nod to the biblical account for creation it has everything to do with the story and the history of the Matrix. Your comparison is nothing but forced coincidence. The numbers aren't right, there is no distinction between eh sixth and seventh day. The Architect isn't resting. Their is no oracle working behind the scenes bringing in the seventh day.

Believe with your soul believe with your left toe I don't care it doesnt make it any more right. The trilogy does hint at a lot but it is always backed with enough information that you are able to see what the deeper message is in the symbol but also in thr story but never do they contradict. Just because there are symbols in the movie doesnt mean this one you think you found is one.

u guys should watch the movies one more time and try to understand that what is really going on is where or not u really feel that logik and reason is just illusions. thats what the brothers are saying.

im going to rest now, this dialogue as exceeded it's boundaries, please refrain from acting like children because there is truly something to be learned from this, all u have to do is looked past ur preconceptions and dig deeper.

I've seen them enough times to grasp the bigger picture you are apparently incapable of seeing. Logic and reason are all there is. The Brothers if anything push that then anything else. They don't allow for spiritual, supernatural, superstition bull crap to run the movie, they come close oh yes they come very close and many of their symbols do have influences in theology, religion, philosophy etc but always they twist it on you and show you in the end it wasn't anything that could not be explained by reason and logic. It wasn't anything spiritual, wasn't anything supernatural, it was all within the capabilities of a human being to do.

thats the point i try to make; everything i have said up until now, proves without a shdow of a doubt that u have no idea what it is u are talking about. u cannot prove to me that mxo is version 6! none of u can, every single one of u are absolutley wrong.

this thing is like the great religion wars.

ur wrong because u think i am wrong. i interpret things differently than u. there is more than one way of seeing things. every single one of u guys believe the same way, u think im wrong.

u know a person is smart, people can be stupid, they get together and they form cults, they can start riots, they can follow the blind.

i have no such intentions and i will not accept that u guys have a clue to what ur talking about.

lol

this game is not the matrix that u saw in the movies; any of u who believe that are role players, the matrix that u saw in the last 20 seconds of the final film is not the matrix that u saw when the oracle and neo were sitting on a bench in debir court.

ur are in error to think this way and that is ok, because how u understand the story and grasp what u see is dependent upon where u are spiritually.

that is all