Ah, EPN. Always repeating Zion's mistakes. Will you train this one's soldiers? Accept his miraculous "gifts"?

Great work EPN...on completely wasting your encounter with the Intruder...keep the "We love Neo, i wanna free humanity" crap at home and find out something useful will ya? 

After reading the dialogue from EPN, I couldn't help but be amused by the assertions that the Matrix is a prison and that everyone can (subconsciously) feel that they're enslaved, that this place isn't ours, that it isn't right for us.  I'm glad the Intruder brought up the questions EPN can't answer, like how exactly are they going to free all humanity, and what will happen to them afterwards.  I'm glad at least one person there brought up that inconvenient fact that not everyone in the Matrix may want to leave! 

EPN likes to think it knows what humanity really wants -- freedom from the Matrix -- and they seem to believe that everyone in the Matrix would naturally want to leave, if they just knew how great it was to be out.  That's why they talk so much about giving people a conscious choice.  But what happens when not everyone makes they choice EPN wants them to make?  Does EPN have the right to force what they think is the best choice on everyone else? 

Here's a little thought experiment.  Instead of "freedom from the Matrix", try substituting the words "US-style democracy" or "free market capitalism" into the sentence "Everyone would naturally want ____________, if they just knew how much better it was than what they already have."  That's what alot of people in US politics believe, and they can't understand how other countries might resist such changes to their governmental or economic systems!  But they're so sure they're right, they'll ignore that these other nations don't want to change or become more like what we (the US) want them to be like.  EPN is like this.  Most of them ignore the fact that not everyone sees the Matrix as a prison.  They want to make choices that will impact the rest of humanity, but without considering what the rest of humanity might want.

Illyria

Tenshi wrote:

Great work EPN...on completely wasting your encounter with the Intruder...keep the "We love Neo, i wanna free humanity" crap at home and find out something useful will ya? 

 

After reading the dialogue from EPN, I couldn't help but be amused by the assertions that the Matrix is a prison and that everyone can (subconsciously) feel that they're enslaved, that this place isn't ours, that it isn't right for us.  I'm glad the Intruder brought up the questions EPN can't answer, like how exactly are they going to free all humanity, and what will happen to them afterwards.  I'm glad at least one person there brought up that inconvenient fact that not everyone in the Matrix may want to leave! 

EPN likes to think it knows what humanity really wants -- freedom from the Matrix -- and they seem to believe that everyone in the Matrix would naturally want to leave, if they just knew how great it was to be out.  That's why they talk so much about giving people a conscious choice.  But what happens when not everyone makes they choice EPN wants them to make?  Does EPN have the right to force what they think is the best choice on everyone else? 

Here's a little thought experiment.  Instead of "freedom from the Matrix", try substituting the words "US-style democracy" or "free market capitalism" into the sentence "Everyone would naturally want ____________, if they just knew how much better it was than what they already have."  That's what alot of people in US politics believe, and they can't understand how other countries might resist such changes to their governmental or economic systems!  But they're so sure they're right, they'll ignore that these other nations don't want to change or become more like what we (the US) want them to be like.  EPN is like this.  Most of them ignore the fact that not everyone sees the Matrix as a prison.  They want to make choices that will impact the rest of humanity, but without considering what the rest of humanity might want.

 

Illyria

Sphairo wrote:

So, EPN suggests nuclear weapons on the machines.. i'll begin counting the days untill they get slaughtered like before then, because that is definately not the way to go about achieving anything.

INfact the Intruder said that, not us.

Reminded me of Cryptos actualy.

Havocide wrote:

Sphairo wrote:

So, EPN suggests nuclear weapons on the machines.. i'll begin counting the days untill they get slaughtered like before then, because that is definately not the way to go about achieving anything.

INfact the Intruder said that, not us.

Reminded me of Cryptos actualy.

You suggest it too, as does a few other EPN operatives.. then the Kid ponders if you have any in storage. Read.

Sphairo wrote:

Havocide wrote:

Sphairo wrote:

So, EPN suggests nuclear weapons on the machines.. i'll begin counting the days untill they get slaughtered like before then, because that is definately not the way to go about achieving anything.

INfact the Intruder said that, not us.

Reminded me of Cryptos actualy.

You suggest it too, as does a few other EPN operatives.. then the Kid ponders if you have any in storage. Read.

You're taking Michael's statement out of context. Him saying "I wonder if we do" was his reply to the person saying "Honestly we have what he wants...no doubt".

*she cackles* There's no proof that we was replying to Senliten, though, is there? Either way, your actions will be your downfall, sooner or later.

Just post a chat log. Then we can see that Kid's responce wasn't half a second after Senliten's (menaning him and Rarebit hit enter at the same time and Kid wasn't responding to him) but rather two to three seconds and "hopefully" people wont be so blinded by their bias.

Then again you can just take a look at what everyones saying before that and no one seems to be asking anyone (let alone Kid) "Do we have nukes stored up?". So Kid's responce doens't really make sence if that was the question.

Seriosuly people stop seeing what you want to see and take a real look at whats going on.

If it's weapons in the real he wants, wouldn't he be better off talking to the General?

Nukes...*sigh*

Here we go again. Just last week the Algorithm attempted to nuke the pods and I'm going to say the same thing here: Nuking the real world to destroy the Machines is pointless. Even if everyone was freed we'd all just end up with a contaminated wasteland that we couldn't use. Too high a price.

Tenshi wrote:

Great work EPN...on completely wasting your encounter with the Intruder...keep the "We love Neo, i wanna free humanity" crap at home and find out something useful will ya? 

 

After reading the dialogue from EPN, I couldn't help but be amused by the assertions that the Matrix is a prison and that everyone can (subconsciously) feel that they're enslaved, that this place isn't ours, that it isn't right for us.  I'm glad the Intruder brought up the questions EPN can't answer, like how exactly are they going to free all humanity, and what will happen to them afterwards.  I'm glad at least one person there brought up that inconvenient fact that not everyone in the Matrix may want to leave! 

EPN likes to think it knows what humanity really wants -- freedom from the Matrix -- and they seem to believe that everyone in the Matrix would naturally want to leave, if they just knew how great it was to be out.  That's why they talk so much about giving people a conscious choice.  But what happens when not everyone makes they choice EPN wants them to make?  Does EPN have the right to force what they think is the best choice on everyone else? 

Here's a little thought experiment.  Instead of "freedom from the Matrix", try substituting the words "US-style democracy" or "free market capitalism" into the sentence "Everyone would naturally want ____________, if they just knew how much better it was than what they already have."  That's what alot of people in US politics believe, and they can't understand how other countries might resist such changes to their governmental or economic systems!  But they're so sure they're right, they'll ignore that these other nations don't want to change or become more like what we (the US) want them to be like.  EPN is like this.  Most of them ignore the fact that not everyone sees the Matrix as a prison.  They want to make choices that will impact the rest of humanity, but without considering what the rest of humanity might want.

 

Illyria

Nuclear weapon... are we back to that again? How many times do we have to kill the earth before we realize that that isnt the answer.

Remember the definition of insanity -- doing the same thing over and over and then expecting a different result.

Illyria