Illyria22 wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

But Pyraci's got the idea right - the Accelerated Man's got an iron resolve and he's not about t kowtow to anybody. If he's got questions, he's going to be here until he gets answers.

And I'm going to do what I can to help him. Seems like Zion and EPN are of the same mind, too.

I'm sure it's as obvious to the Intruder as it is to everyone else that Zion and EPN just want to use him as a weapon against the Machines...just like Zion wanted to use the General as a weapon against whoever they thought was their enemy that week.  I'm sure this will work out just as well for Zion.

 

 

Illyria

It's not surprising that the Machines' apologists try to diminish the potential tactical significance of the Intruder, even as those same apologists are kept completely out of the loop by the Machines. I'm sure that this blind faith in the Machines' mercy/beneficence/victimhood (or however Machinists justify their allegiance this week) will work out just super.

In any event, I suspect the Intruder is not likely to allow itself to be "used" by anyone, as a weapon or otherwise.  At the same time, anything that can level a pack of Agents with a snap of its fingers is something I'd like to get to know a little better.

((Actually one of the most enjoyable events i've been to in......for a long, long time. Very impressed with the liaisons and the LEC play, and level of interaction, and using MS was terrible but funny all in one.))

Not really sure what you accomplished with keeping us away, i mean nothing really changed, but i was face to polygon for a lot longer then i'd say was feasable with keeping us away but so be it - i mean we as a force weren't there - but then the cypherite forces didn't really do that much either - i mean the machinists did the work, hell you want evidence of such mittens got the reward for the event.

As for what we'd do with the intruder, frankly llyria not everyone in the matrix has been spoonfed the same amount of propaganda and missleading nonsense you have, most of us are curious, and as usual the machinists with the biggest mouths are spouting out opinions one sided you'd think we were in a two dimensional world.

((always necessary to have the balance of lyr, i enjoy that your RP enrages me ))

~Darminian

I'm inclined to disagree with the "we kept him away from Zion/EPN attitudes".  Darminian made contact by using his head and using Master Shadow.

After he left...we took out the Decelerator.  A single bit was inside.  Now there are two decelerator bits to my knowledge on Recursion.

Naw, I got two from Niobe after our last run-in with accelerated Exiles... So that's at least four, I don't know if any of the other folks who contributed items to Fingers got anything or not, but there's at least four. Join the cartel and set the price for 'em at at least one billion $info!

And Lyr, I think you underestimate the Accelerated Man - he's proven that he's got his own agenda, and that he's not going to let anybody stand in the way of it. You think that excludes us? I doubt it. If he agrees to be our "weapon" I doubt it'll be us using him. It'll either be mutually beneficial, or all to his benefit - that seems to be his modus operandi, at least.

But as long as he isn't hurting me and he is hurting the System, I'm going to continue helping him as much as I can. It's hardly surprising to me that the Machinsts don't see any possibility that this newcomer could be any different than the others.

((Actually one of the most enjoyable events i've been to in......for a long, long time. Very impressed with the liaisons and the LEC play, and level of interaction, and using MS was terrible but funny all in one.))

Not really sure what you accomplished with keeping us away, i mean nothing really changed, but i was face to polygon for a lot longer then i'd say was feasable with keeping us away but so be it - i mean we as a force weren't there - but then the cypherite forces didn't really do that much either - i mean the machinists did the work, hell you want evidence of such mittens got the reward for the event.

As for what we'd do with the intruder, frankly llyria not everyone in the matrix has been spoonfed the same amount of propaganda and missleading nonsense you have, most of us are curious, and as usual the machinists with the biggest mouths are spouting out opinions one sided you'd think we were in a two dimensional world.

((always necessary to have the balance of lyr, i enjoy that your RP enrages me " /> ))

 

~Darminian

cov wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

But Pyraci's got the idea right - the Accelerated Man's got an iron resolve and he's not about t kowtow to anybody. If he's got questions, he's going to be here until he gets answers.

And I'm going to do what I can to help him. Seems like Zion and EPN are of the same mind, too.

I'm sure it's as obvious to the Intruder as it is to everyone else that Zion and EPN just want to use him as a weapon against the Machines...just like Zion wanted to use the General as a weapon against whoever they thought was their enemy that week.  I'm sure this will work out just as well for Zion.

 

 

Illyria

It's not surprising that the Machines' apologists try to diminish the potential tactical significance of the Intruder, even as those same apologists are kept completely out of the loop by the Machines. I'm sure that this blind faith in the Machines' mercy/beneficence/victimhood (or however Machinists justify their allegiance this week) will work out just super.

In any event, I suspect the Intruder is not likely to allow itself to be "used" by anyone, as a weapon or otherwise.  At the same time, anything that can level a pack of Agents with a snap of its fingers is something I'd like to get to know a little better.

Exactly, and while we're on the subject, the Machine and it's Machinists use their resources and assets to their advantage with disturbing tenacity. I think it's a little hypocritical to try to call Zion or EPN out as using anyone or anything as a weapon when the other side of the fence does it without remorse.

Pyraci wrote:

cov wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

But Pyraci's got the idea right - the Accelerated Man's got an iron resolve and he's not about t kowtow to anybody. If he's got questions, he's going to be here until he gets answers.

And I'm going to do what I can to help him. Seems like Zion and EPN are of the same mind, too.

I'm sure it's as obvious to the Intruder as it is to everyone else that Zion and EPN just want to use him as a weapon against the Machines...just like Zion wanted to use the General as a weapon against whoever they thought was their enemy that week.  I'm sure this will work out just as well for Zion.

 

 

Illyria

It's not surprising that the Machines' apologists try to diminish the potential tactical significance of the Intruder, even as those same apologists are kept completely out of the loop by the Machines. I'm sure that this blind faith in the Machines' mercy/beneficence/victimhood (or however Machinists justify their allegiance this week) will work out just super.

In any event, I suspect the Intruder is not likely to allow itself to be "used" by anyone, as a weapon or otherwise.  At the same time, anything that can level a pack of Agents with a snap of its fingers is something I'd like to get to know a little better.

Exactly, and while we're on the subject, the Machine and it's Machinists use their resources and assets to their advantage with disturbing tenacity. I think it's a little hypocritical to try to call Zion or EPN out as using anyone or anything as a weapon when the other side of the fence does it without remorse.

I think you all are forgetting a very important piece of the puzzle. Just because the Machines do it, doesn't mean its ok for EPN or Zion or Mervs to do it. This is the machines world, the machine's simulation... not yours. What do you do to an intruder to your home? You tell them to leave. If they don't leave you use force, if they fight back, then perhaps deadly force.

Do not presume to state what is hypocritical of someone for protecting thier home.

Forgive me for asking, but was the point you were making?  We have an intruder in the system who's very presence is causing disruptions.  If he has questions, he needs to ask elsewhere. 

Right now he's threatening lives and doesn't seem to care.  That's a problem.  It's also a problem for bandwagon anti-machinists who think they can buddy up next to him just because he can override system protocols.  Stop instigating this already precarious situation.  Please.

It's true that we don't know much about him.  However, at this point we don't care to.  Our only concern is stabilizing the Matrix at the moment.

Forgive me for asking, but was the point you were making? 

LOL, yea  All I got outa his statement was....  "Your wrong and im not gonna tell you why because I dont know why your wrong, you just are."

pfft  missed the point.

Pyraci wrote:

cov wrote:

It's not surprising that the Machines' apologists try to diminish the potential tactical significance of the Intruder, even as those same apologists are kept completely out of the loop by the Machines. I'm sure that this blind faith in the Machines' mercy/beneficence/victimhood (or however Machinists justify their allegiance this week) will work out just super.

Exactly, and while we're on the subject, the Machine and it's Machinists use their resources and assets to their advantage with disturbing tenacity. I think it's a little hypocritical to try to call Zion or EPN out as using anyone or anything as a weapon when the other side of the fence does it without remorse.

I think you all are forgetting a very important piece of the puzzle. Just because the Machines do it, doesn't mean its ok for EPN or Zion or Mervs to do it. This is the machines world, the machine's simulation... not yours. What do you do to an intruder to your home? You tell them to leave. If they don't leave you use force, if they fight back, then perhaps deadly force.

Do not presume to state what is hypocritical of someone for protecting thier home.

Ah, you're right, I completely forgot to include the Machines' supposed "property rights" in the Matrix as a frequent Machinist justification.  Thanks for pointing that out.  The fact that Machinists refer to the minds and bodies of the living human beings who make up the Matrix as the Machines' parasitic "home" is a chilling contrast to the Machinists' holier-than-thou, saviors-of-humanity posturing, but that's another discussion entirely.

In the meantime, the Intruder can speak for itself about why it's in the Matrix - who knows, maybe it's not happy with the way the Machines treat human beings either.  If the Intruder makes the Machines sweat a little, I'm all for it.  Also, Machinists are so cute when their panties get all bunched about preserving innocent people - so long as those innocent people continue to provide a food source for the Machines!  Adorable! 

Ah, you're right, I completely forgot to include the Machines' supposed "property rights" in the Matrix as a frequent Machinist justification.  Thanks for pointing that out.  The fact that Machinists refer to the minds and bodies of the living human beings who make up the Matrix as the Machines' parasitic "home" is a chilling contrast to the Machinists' holier-than-thou, saviors-of-humanity posturing, but that's another discussion entirely.

In the meantime, the Intruder can speak for itself about why it's in the Matrix - who knows, maybe it's not happy with the way the Machines treat human beings either.  If the Intruder makes the Machines sweat a little, I'm all for it.  Also, Machinists are so cute when their panties get all bunched about preserving innocent people - so long as those innocent people continue to provide a food source for the Machines!  Adorable!  " />

Ah, you're right, I completely forgot to include the Machines' supposed "property rights" in the Matrix as a frequent Machinist justification.  Thanks for pointing that out.  The fact that Machinists refer to the minds and bodies of the living human beings who make up the Matrix as the Machines' parasitic "home" is a chilling contrast to the Machinists' holier-than-thou, saviors-of-humanity posturing, but that's another discussion entirely.

In the meantime, the Intruder can speak for itself about why it's in the Matrix - who knows, maybe it's not happy with the way the Machines treat human beings either.  If the Intruder makes the Machines sweat a little, I'm all for it.  Also, Machinists are so cute when their panties get all bunched about preserving innocent people - so long as those innocent people continue to provide a food source for the Machines!  Adorable!  " width="15" height="15" />

cov wrote:

Ah, you're right, I completely forgot to include the Machines' supposed "property rights" in the Matrix as a frequent Machinist justification.  Thanks for pointing that out.  The fact that Machinists refer to the minds and bodies of the living human beings who make up the Matrix as the Machines' parasitic "home" is a chilling contrast to the Machinists' holier-than-thou, saviors-of-humanity posturing, but that's another discussion entirely.

In the meantime, the Intruder can speak for itself about why it's in the Matrix - who knows, maybe it's not happy with the way the Machines treat human beings either.  If the Intruder makes the Machines sweat a little, I'm all for it.  Also, Machinists are so cute when their panties get all bunched about preserving innocent people - so long as those innocent people continue to provide a food source for the Machines!  Adorable!  " />

Lol, 'supposed'.... Who built the simulation and the ability for Mankind to interact with it? Who maintains it because of a symbiotic relationship? I still find it hilarious that there are some out there who do not believe it belongs to the Machines. They can protect it how they wish.

So far, apart from the initial confrontation, the Machines don't seem to be in too much of a panic....

I find it a little disturbing that Machinists think the Matrix exists solely due to the Machines beneficence/generosity.  Whose life force runs the Matrix?  Whose minds and bodies are penetrated, prodded, used, controlled, and liquified to support the Matrix?  Whose helpless infants are plugged into pods to make sure the Machines can continue to feed off the Matrix?  That's right: Humans.  If anything, the Machines are trespassing upon us, upon our people, our bodies, our intellects.

And as if the Machines would tell you if they were in a panic.  Last I checked, slave-drivers don't really tell their slaves any sensitive secrets . . .
 

Vinia wrote:

cov wrote:

Ah, you're right, I completely forgot to include the Machines' supposed "property rights" in the Matrix as a frequent Machinist justification.  Thanks for pointing that out.  The fact that Machinists refer to the minds and bodies of the living human beings who make up the Matrix as the Machines' parasitic "home" is a chilling contrast to the Machinists' holier-than-thou, saviors-of-humanity posturing, but that's another discussion entirely.

In the meantime, the Intruder can speak for itself about why it's in the Matrix - who knows, maybe it's not happy with the way the Machines treat human beings either.  If the Intruder makes the Machines sweat a little, I'm all for it.  Also, Machinists are so cute when their panties get all bunched about preserving innocent people - so long as those innocent people continue to provide a food source for the Machines!  Adorable!  " />

Lol, 'supposed'.... Who built the simulation and the ability for Mankind to interact with it? Who maintains it because of a symbiotic relationship? I still find it hilarious that there are some out there who do not believe it belongs to the Machines. They can protect it how they wish.

So far, apart from the initial confrontation, the Machines don't seem to be in too much of a panic....

 

I find it a little disturbing that Machinists think the Matrix exists solely due to the Machines beneficence/generosity.  Whose life force runs the Matrix?  Whose minds and bodies are penetrated, prodded, used, controlled, and liquified to support the Matrix?  Whose helpless infants are plugged into pods to make sure the Machines can continue to feed off the Matrix?  That's right: Humans.