CodeNut wrote:

 

How is "They should merge Syntax and Recursion" not asking for a server merge? Thank you for resorting to insults to support your failed argument.

Server merge requested. Answer: Not possible.

Time to move on.

 

It's not a request because it's a personal statement. Thus my argument has not failed whereas your continued regime of wanting to stop people discussing how a merge would benefit players is a failure.

And I'm glad you are greatful for the insults, although it seems that despite them you are still unable and unwilling to grasp the simple concept of this entire thread.

CodeNut wrote:

Avath wrote:

Thanks!

I wasnt "asking" for a merge, since this thread its about *discussing" ideas, therefore the name *Development Discussion* and not a *ME WANT* thread.  Its about giving ideas...

Funny how some people post just to say they wont post.

What's the title of this thread?

The title is 'Merge'. Not 'Can we haz merge naow pls?' or 'We want a merge!' It is plainly just 'Merge' where people can discuss how it would be better all round if it were possible. Yet still you want to deny people's discussion of it.

CodeNut wrote:

Avath wrote:

Thanks!

I wasnt "asking" for a merge, since this thread its about *discussing" ideas, therefore the name *Development Discussion* and not a *ME WANT* thread.  Its about giving ideas...

Funny how some people post just to say they wont post.

What's the title of this thread?

Tittle: Merge.  Why? Cause thats the topic. Does that makes it a *ME WANT* thread? No. Just points the idea. Lots of stuff like this on College Board.

Croesis wrote:

CodeNut wrote:

 

How is "They should merge Syntax and Recursion" not asking for a server merge? Thank you for resorting to insults to support your failed argument.

Server merge requested. Answer: Not possible.

Time to move on.

 

It's not a request because it's a personal statement. Thus my argument has not failed whereas your continued regime of wanting to stop people discussing how a merge would benefit players is a failure.

But its such a valiant and noble cause!   Surely the slow, entropic death of the the only Matrix MMO is a brave and worthwhile cause we should all strive for?

At last, I don't understand why SOE had not done the merge already... not only we would have more living city, they would reduce costs... strange.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Croesis wrote:

CodeNut wrote:

 

How is "They should merge Syntax and Recursion" not asking for a server merge? Thank you for resorting to insults to support your failed argument.

Server merge requested. Answer: Not possible.

Time to move on.

 

It's not a request because it's a personal statement. Thus my argument has not failed whereas your continued regime of wanting to stop people discussing how a merge would benefit players is a failure.

But its such a valiant and noble cause!   Surely the slow, entropic death of the the only Matrix MMO is a brave and worthwhile cause we should all strive for?

You are the one trying to stick a fork in a thread on a forum... how is what you are doing going to benefit anyone except you over inflated idea of selfworth... omg you dont like the thread or what it stands for?  By ALL means stop reading it lol.  The fact that the thread is still alive gives me hope, what do you get out of trying to crush hope?  I have a good idea what you get but this isnt the time or place to discuss that topic

CodeNut wrote:

Server merge requested. Answer: Not possible.

Time to move on. 

I will pay/farm 500mil $i to the person who can provide a direct quote from these forums or a screenshot from in-game of an official known developer or producer for the Matrix Online saying that a server merge is not possible.

I reserve the right to approve of screenshots as either authentic or faked.

Walrus said it at this years anniver party

Really wish they could do something though. Look at all the people for it.. Transfer's is more what i'd want though, get pvprs over to vector. I think thats half the reason people don't roll on their alts to much, CQ's and gear. Transfer would hopefully (if it didn't fook up) eliminate that. I remember Rare saying 'unfair for non hostile to have lvld non hostile then transferring.'  I kind of agree (yous missed the fun parts he he) but at this point, i don't see vectorites caring in the slightest.

Transfer ftw

The_Bruceter wrote:

Walrus said it at this years anniver party

No, he didn't. Also, poidh.

Aye he did.. Said no plans on doing it, and they can't anyways, no-one knows how to do it  (something along they lines anyways)

The_Bruceter wrote:

Aye he did.. Said no plans on doing it, and they can't anyways, no-one knows how to do it  (something along they lines anyways)

Its all unofficial until he stops hiding from us and says as much here in this thread or elsewhere officially.  I'm sorry I was at that party (came late because I was working at my day job) and did not hear anything like that.  Also, the entire MxO community was not at that party and it was not screened or documented.  Either way, if the orders came from on high to merge the two servers believe me it would happen despite Walrus' opinion per this hearsay you've reported.

In regards to Vector Bruce I luvs ya man but there is much, much more to Vector than only PVP and I kinda wish you wouldn't constantly give the impression to the nonhostile players that the server only revolves around PVP solely and excluseively 24/7 and nothing nothing nothing else at all   Cause it isn't theres much more to Vector than that, its a very dynamic and fun server with a great community.   

But I do agree with you that an option should be made available to transfer characters to Vector!  I think 6 slots for Vector and six slots for Syncursion, two servers, one hostile / one nonhostile. 

I'm like 90% certain he said it, sure other people have said he said it aswell.

To me, there is only pvp in this game. Thats why it will seem as though i come across like that. Yeah there is the community, and vector does have a tightly knit community at that. Hardly any trashing etc nowadays which is better. Can't say the same for syntax, too many bodys not fighting, too much lip ha ha

Brucey has a point.

all im in this game for is the pvp, combat system(which i havnt found another mmo with a similar interlock system) and the community.

This game has the best community out of all the mmos iv played and the best pvp.

id like for a merge like iv said afew times and i would like a char transfer so i could move my 30 to vector to finish levelling but it wont be done at all/for awhile.

Ok so I'm going to throw up one argument here which hopefully might just convince some of you. The rest of you will probably just read over it in an attempt to shield yourselves from the truth or some may find a valid counterpoint in it we shall see.

Now, I'm going to state 3 assumptions.

1) SOE does not care about the state of MxO, only that it continues to make a profit against the cost of maintaining the servers.

2) The majority of players here are die hard fans of the Matrix series and will not leave till the servers shut off.

3) SOE has a relatively good business head on it.

Now the first ever (proper) thread about a server merge was made 12th March 2006 which is more than 3 years ago now and can be found here. Now this thread only briefly touched on the issue and never went into any depth but it was after the CR2 update and around about the time of the exodus from MxO due to the combat system change. Back then some of us had suspicions about the future of this game and due to assumption 3, so did SOE.

The second thread which covered the topic more broadly was made on the 9th July 2007 and can be found here. Now during that time I'm sure we were finding our respective servers slightly less crowded than they used to be which using assumption 3 again SOE will probably have predicted that the game will be going downhill from there especially from this point onwards we saw a slow but steady demise of MxO resources.

Now we have 2 threads here that show a population problem 3 years ago and a 1 year 9 months ago which to be honest I don't see how any business couldn't have noticed since they're the ones with the official figures. The fact that they started draining resources confirms my first assumption since they never really attempted to breathe new life into the game, with the exception of CR2 which incidentally was a monumental failure in terms of population.

Now if we have players who can see this and have the idea of a server merge then I think it's reasonable to assume also that SOE who have a good number of people experienced in managing online games from a business aspect, will have also come up with the idea at some point down the line.

So essentially SOE could either, do the server merge which will cost lots of money and may increase the server population yes but it wouldn't remove the negative reputation that MxO has and we still wouldn't have as large a population as the majority of other MMO's out now so therefore we probably won't make the money back.

On the other hand SOE could leave it as it is taking into account that a lot of players have stated that they will be here till the end on the forums which won't cost them any money and they can be reasonably sure that the income won't drop drastically, which could happen if the server merge failed and they lost all the data on Syntax and Recursion.

So to put into a few sentences, SOE would rather spend as little money as possible to maximise their profits from the game rather than put in lots of money in an idea which may or may not increase the games total population or worst case scenario could make 2/3 of the game vanish in an instant due to the servers failing upon merge.

Again I'll state that I don't think the merge is a bad idea in principle, in fact it's a good idea. It’s just that it would be a big gamble for SOE to commit the amounts of money required with little or no increase in subscriptions.

Denary wrote:

 

Ok so I'm going to throw up one argument here which hopefully might just convince some of you. The rest of you will probably just read over it in an attempt to shield yourselves from the truth or some may find a valid counterpoint in it we shall see.

Now, I'm going to state 3 assumptions.

1) SOE does not care about the state of MxO, only that it continues to make a profit against the cost of maintaining the servers.

2) The majority of players here are die hard fans of the Matrix series and will not leave till the servers shut off.

3) SOE has a relatively good business head on it.

Now the first ever (proper) thread about a server merge was made 12th March 2006 which is more than 3 years ago now and can be found here. Now this thread only briefly touched on the issue and never went into any depth but it was after the CR2 update and around about the time of the exodus from MxO due to the combat system change. Back then some of us had suspicions about the future of this game and due to assumption 3, so did SOE.

The second thread which covered the topic more broadly was made on the 9th July 2007 and can be found here. Now during that time I'm sure we were finding our respective servers slightly less crowded than they used to be which using assumption 3 again SOE will probably have predicted that the game will be going downhill from there especially from this point onwards we saw a slow but steady demise of MxO resources.

Now we have 2 threads here that show a population problem 3 years ago and a 1 year 9 months ago which to be honest I don't see how any business couldn't have noticed since they're the ones with the official figures. The fact that they started draining resources confirms my first assumption since they never really attempted to breathe new life into the game, with the exception of CR2 which incidentally was a monumental failure in terms of population.

Now if we have players who can see this and have the idea of a server merge then I think it's reasonable to assume also that SOE who have a good number of people experienced in managing online games from a business aspect, will have also come up with the idea at some point down the line.

So essentially SOE could either, do the server merge which will cost lots of money and may increase the server population yes but it wouldn't remove the negative reputation that MxO has and we still wouldn't have as large a population as the majority of other MMO's out now so therefore we probably won't make the money back.

On the other hand SOE could leave it as it is taking into account that a lot of players have stated that they will be here till the end on the forums which won't cost them any money and they can be reasonably sure that the income won't drop drastically, which could happen if the server merge failed and they lost all the data on Syntax and Recursion.

 

So to put into a few sentences, SOE would rather spend as little money as possible to maximise their profits from the game rather than put in lots of money in an idea which may or may not increase the games total population or worst case scenario could make 2/3 of the game vanish in an instant due to the servers failing upon merge.

Again I'll state that I don't think the merge is a bad idea in principle, in fact it's a good idea. It’s just that it would be a big gamble for SOE to commit the amounts of money required with little or no increase in subscriptions.

 

You raise some very good points here.  My counterarguments are as follows.  (Not saying you're completely wrong but I did want to play Devil's Advocite a bit here).

1) SOE does not care about the state of MxO, only that it continues to make a profit against the cost of maintaining the servers.

At a certain point they will be forced to care.  No development no storyline no content no communication will not lead to anything other than steady attrition that will increase as time goes on.

2) The majority of players here are die hard fans of the Matrix series and will not leave till the servers shut off.

Even the most diehard fans who made this commitment didn't anticipate MxO as a no development no storyline no content no communication forevermore MMO at the same subscription rate.  I mean, I dont think there's a precedent for that kind of thing in the world of mmo's.  I know a lot of us who made that commitment (myself included) still will stay a couple months to finish up their business and enjoy the last moments with their friends, but after that it makes absolutely no sense.  After a certain point people still playing this game will be kind of like a 45 year old man who still wears his high school varsity jacket...sad and pathetic, lol

3) SOE has a relatively good business head on it.

I dunno about that.  You can't live on the glory days of EQ forever.

Bottom line is they have to do something...even if they want to maintain MxO as a Legacy game you have to invest resources in it to maintain it as a Legacy game.   Or keep it non-Legacy and hire a dev! 

The alternative?  Do nothing and let the game die a slow painful death by attrition, be forced to lose their status as never having shut down a game before, and alienate a lage group of players that will never buy an SOE product again, not to mention looking worse in the eyes of the mmo community for their second Epic Fail, first SWG now MxO.