GypsyJuggler wrote:
deimoslvov wrote:ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:It's canon if it's accepted by the Wachowskis.Well, contrarily to the question of a new storyteller, that is one thing we can really say we are 100% sure not to get.To heck with naysayers, I think Zippy just volunteered himself for the position of 'Speaker to the Wachowskis'. Hop to it!
deimoslvov wrote:
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:It's canon if it's accepted by the Wachowskis.Well, contrarily to the question of a new storyteller, that is one thing we can really say we are 100% sure not to get.
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
It's canon if it's accepted by the Wachowskis.
Well, contrarily to the question of a new storyteller, that is one thing we can really say we are 100% sure not to get.
To heck with naysayers, I think Zippy just volunteered himself for the position of 'Speaker to the Wachowskis'. Hop to it!
Never send a squirrel to....oh never mind.
Uh, says you. Never know until you ask.
Wait, I didn't.. aw crap.
Coming Soon: Zippy the Squirrel and the Mystery of the Unknown Email Address.
RetroX wrote:
We should have an elected player committee to steer us in the right direction, say they get 6 weeks of controlling the story's direction. Any player interested in RP could run. This would allow a flexible storyline and ever changing look at it, and also gets rid of the problem of a players solution being perfect.As long they are few people willing to do it alone, willing to keep the storyline alive for people as they wish to come and join. Then it is doable for sure.
Skull101 wrote:
How's about a random storyline rendering system, pick by community vote, 5 players from each org that are by far the best rpers around, have them write the stories, then number them randomly, put a list of the said numbers on the forums, have a vote over say a week as to which of the 15 different stories gets to be acted out this month, and the top ones from each org would be acted out for said orgs, and also there should be a overall storyline for the matrix, which could be done the sameway, random vote, random outcome to the story, = cannon storyline run by players for players.Just my two pennies.
How's about a random storyline rendering system, pick by community vote, 5 players from each org that are by far the best rpers around, have them write the stories, then number them randomly, put a list of the said numbers on the forums, have a vote over say a week as to which of the 15 different stories gets to be acted out this month, and the top ones from each org would be acted out for said orgs, and also there should be a overall storyline for the matrix, which could be done the sameway, random vote, random outcome to the story, = cannon storyline run by players for players.
Just my two pennies.
You might be on to something somewhat...
Skull the only problem with your vote system is spoilers. So, you'd have to trust people to be creative and try to pleasantly surprise us.
The problem with the "Canon" MxO storyline is that we need to wait on that and see what the final word is on the state of the game. I'd say at least wait things out a month until things get sorted. I know its unlikely that we'll get another official storyteller but I'd like some finality / closure on that point before I trust anyone to move forward in that regard.
I feel very ambivalent aboout Rare's storyline dump. While it was nice to know, it closed A LOT of doors for us.
In the meantime, small scale "Animatrix" style side stories might be ideal. Or after we get the "Official" word that the canon stoyline is finished. Then maybe we can look into a select few players that the community trusts create little side missions? Who knows.
Its a bit premature to run off half cocked at this point so I suggest we take a breather and wait a bit then proceed from there.
In the meantime as others have pointed out it might be a good idea to maybe consolidate & refine the "Canon" storyline thus far.
Personally, I think the "Official" story should be left well enough alone. Its clear that some people didn't like it, including the author of this topic, but Rare did make it clear that the Bro's approved the basic storyline we have been playing, and were going to play up through the planned Chapter 14. As far as I'm concerned, that approval is the closest thing to an official story that we have.
Further, I have to agree with others who have noted that you will not get much agreement on what else the story SHOULD be. This thread alone shows how little concensus there is. Besides that, have any of you ever seen an old Dilbert strip where a team tries to make a sentence by commitee? They can't even agree on the word "the". Stories by commitee are DOOMED to suck, that is just my opinion, but show me an example otherwise. Having people "vote" on the story would just become an ego trip/power struggle/general tear up the community kind of deal.
So, yeah, guess I'm saying I'll pass on having a player run "Official" story. IF someone gets brought in to fill Rare's role, and IF the ideas they have are in some way approved by the Bro's, that will be the new official story to me. Otherwise, I consider it done.
This does not mean I don't think there shouldn't be PE's and RP's, but I think those things are better left as explorations of the Matrix concept, than official storyline.
psilody wrote:
Well said. Another point where it fails is the reason why LESIG 2.0 failed. People know people and those people will use it to alter the story to their "advantage" or call in favours.
Personally, I believe LESIG was a good idea... it was just executed poorly.
It's natural to have problems like the ones we've seen with LESIG, in the past. The real issues arise when those problems aren't addressed and handled in a timely manner. Or at all.
Further, I have to agree with others who have noted that you will not get much agreement on what else the story SHOULD be. This thread alone shows how little concensus there is. Besides that, have any of you ever seen an old Dilbert strip where a team tries to make a sentence by commitee? They can't even agree on the word "the". Stories by commitee are DOOMED to suck, that is just my opinion, but show me an example otherwise. Having people "vote" on the story would just become an ego trip/power struggle/general tear up the community kind of deal.So, yeah, guess I'm saying I'll pass on having a player run "Official" story. IF someone gets brought in to fill Rare's role, and IF the ideas they have are in some way approved by the Bro's, that will be the new official story to me. Otherwise, I consider it done.
I was talking with someone the other night and while we didn't come to the exact consensus as this, we agreed we were both going to primarily focus on our respective factions' in-house storylines. I think I'd rather focus on the universe at this point, but that's just me. If there were some kind of commitee of players, I think it would only work by having one player in charge of the main story and then having a player from each org focus on how to execute it for their respective orgs. But the problem would be avoiding the ego-tripping and power-plays that seem to go on here...
Heck, as Void half-jokingly said to me the other night, we should just have him and Fenshire write the story from here on.
Agreed. Plus, if you have read Rare's summary of 14, it seems that it has a very conclusive feeling, and doesn't really lead into much more, meaning that anything beyond that point can be added.
monkeymanx8 wrote:
ZaneZavin wrote:The story will continue regardless of whether there is an official outlet. This is our world (players) and we will continue to interact with it.I feel that the first step to our future is to create an Mxo Story Bible. A one stop location that details everything that got us to this point and is debated until it is reasonable. We should decide what we chose to accept before we move along. I believe Cloudwolf and his summaries should be incorporated and clearly Othinn's logs (no pun intended) can be consulted.I was thinking the same thing. We need to have an official record from 1.1 to 12.1, with summaries as intricate as possible.
ZaneZavin wrote:
The story will continue regardless of whether there is an official outlet. This is our world (players) and we will continue to interact with it.I feel that the first step to our future is to create an Mxo Story Bible. A one stop location that details everything that got us to this point and is debated until it is reasonable. We should decide what we chose to accept before we move along. I believe Cloudwolf and his summaries should be incorporated and clearly Othinn's logs (no pun intended) can be consulted.
The story will continue regardless of whether there is an official outlet. This is our world (players) and we will continue to interact with it.
I feel that the first step to our future is to create an Mxo Story Bible. A one stop location that details everything that got us to this point and is debated until it is reasonable. We should decide what we chose to accept before we move along. I believe Cloudwolf and his summaries should be incorporated and clearly Othinn's logs (no pun intended) can be consulted.
I was thinking the same thing. We need to have an official record from 1.1 to 12.1, with summaries as intricate as possible.
Rarebit's Summaries (Chapter's 1-10)
Outlaw54's Organization Lists (Updated to Chapter 12.1)
ZippyTheSquirrel's Character Guide (Updated to Chapter 12.1)
Rarebit's Outline (Chapter's 7-14)
Rarebit's Story and Event Plans (Chapters 5.2-12.1)
Condense!!!
Phrack wrote:
Personally, I believe LESIG was a good idea... it was just executed poorly.It's natural to have problems like the ones we've seen with LESIG, in the past. The real issues arise when those problems aren't addressed and handled in a timely manner. Or at all.
Don't get me wrong, I think LESIG was a great idea, and given the fact that SOE gave this game no budget for continuing the LET, it was the only way that we could have continued to have LE's. I think its a testament to how much the Matrix Story means to people, that PLAYERS who were PAYING TO PLAY THE GAME actually volunteered to do this for free. Its both amazing, and also quite sad really. (And, even more so, I think this applies to A:B. That wasn't even official, but people put MAJOR time and effort into it, and it was a bang up event.)
However, I think the problems with LESIG in the past were a result of two things: human nature, and the difficulty in firing people who aren't employees to begin with. I have to assume that virtually everyone who worked in LESIG had their own ideas about the story, and it must have been pretty heady to be able to say "yeah, im part of the official Matrix story." I don't see that stopping, or being a thing of the past.
Furthermore, LESIG always had an "Official" leader to keep things in check. I think there has to be SOME kind of Arbiter, someone who has the authority to say, "yes, this fits", or "no it doesn't". We can go round and round on whether Rare did this well, I think he did, and at the very least, I doubt someone could do it better. He was also an employee, and authorized, at least indirectly, by the Stories originators to fill this role. Trying to plug a player into that role would just be a disaster. I see SO MANY talented people here, it would be tremendously arbitrary to pick one out to be the "Official" story leader. Even a vote would only lead to divisions.
So, personally, I am going to put my own efforts into devloping side-stories based on the Matrix Concept. Whether anyone considers them "official" will be largely irrelevant, and I like it that way.
Masonna wrote:
While I agree with what Phrack has proposed, I also agree with the idea of waiting to see what SOE does with us.
Sad thought it makes me to say it, I don't think they'll do anything with us. They never wanted us, they never had any interest in us and they sucked the resources out of the limited amounts Rarebit and Virrago et al had. We are, so far as SOE are concerned, the festering boil on the arse of the DC franchise. I think we'll continue to fester for a random amount of time, then blink out of existence. I would add though, that I'd be the most delighted bloke ever to be proved wrong, if this didn't happen. I'd be even more delighted if someone could show me I was already wrong NOW.
Basically, that just means chaos. This game needs an official storyteller, it's the core principle of the RP and ADND games.
The thought of things being player driven has concerned me for some time. What form would that take? Eventually, wouldn't we just end up with some incoherant anarchy that made about as much sense and had as much coherance as a Bjork song?
I think we need a figure (or preferably, figures) in officialdom to be presiding over any player group to make things work properly. I think the really good thing about player involvement is that we could have the tags back. (Tiny things please tiny minds, eh?)
