Agreed.
I confirm what SEPET said. I wasn't at the meeting. And in the past I lost some LE in very few cases.
Vinia wrote:
...and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.
If he had listened to some players when the New Approach first appeared and changed his methods then we wouldnt be in this idiotic position. But no, he stuck to his guns, look where thats got us, one month subscription down the drain.
odj wrote:
Vinia wrote:...and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.If he had listened to some players when the New Approach first appeared and changed his methods then we wouldnt be in this idiotic position. But no, he stuck to his guns, look where thats got us, one month subscription down the drain.
Oh please... There will always be those who like change and those who are disappointed with it. Every time you change things you'll have to deal with that.
deimoslvov wrote:
odj wrote:Vinia wrote:...and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.If he had listened to some players when the New Approach first appeared and changed his methods then we wouldnt be in this idiotic position. But no, he stuck to his guns, look where thats got us, one month subscription down the drain.Oh please... There will always be those who like change and those who are disappointed with it. Every time you change things you'll have to deal with that.
I don't think we can or should expect any modifications or changes to this New Approach until after the winter holidays, since we might get a little bump from ppl returning home for the holidays). That being said I will most definately express my strong disapproval of the fundemental changes that have changed this game from a dynamic one to a static one (just like any generic, random, run-of-the-mill, everyday mmo but with a tiny player base barely hanging on by a thread....ironically enough that thread being this game's uniqueness and dynamism!)...from now until we get some type of understanding if all of this New Approach stuff is completely carved in stone or not.
If you think the MxO base is all gaga over these new changes, well I wouldn't put money on it, let's put it that way. How will we know? Let's see how many people vote with their feet in January if indeed these changes are wriiten in stone!
I must admit, I did not attend this Zion meeting. That was due partly because I have stated from when the announcements were made that I don't want to have to create alts on other servers , especially hostile (...) to attend a meeting that apparently lacks content. On the other hand I didn't go because of the feedback I got from the Mechs after the Machine meeting. Put simply, after I had lost alot of interest in MxO having seen what the successor of the liason-organized meetings was (cheap convo for 30 mins then every1 left), I came in this monday to chat with some friends and all the Mechs were telling me how pointless their meeting was. I figured the Zion one would be the same and read through this thread to confirm my suspicion (tho was hoping i was wrong).
If my opinion is to be taken in consideration though, I must say I'm on the side of the ones that don't like the "new approach". It seems to me it is the opposite of the "New Deal", instead of solving a crysis (such as player base), making it worse. I understand Vinia and others that fight back the pessimism and their hope that this will not all go to hell. On that I share your feelings. But I must say I agree with odj and those that say that if Rarebit had taken in consideration the feedback on the New Approach, we wouldn't have these doubts now. The only thing interesting left right now (for me) are hvcrft battles, which fortunately Vogt keeps doing.
I believe that , if these meetings lack content, it is because nothing is happening. There is no more storyline and that is probably due to the transformation of crits into quests you need to redo to achieve items. Sure, Tyndall says new stuff but u tell me what killing Wright hundreds of times and seeing the BIP or w/e the ??? is - means storyline-wise. How do you translate that in RP? Yay we killed Wright, but tomorrow, we're gonna kill her again, cuz her pants turn into deccel bits.
I hope, for the sake of MxO and its community, that these hopes - of everything having a benefic result in the near future, come true. I don't know what Sepet's fan site activity percentage was before, but I know what MxO's server activity and eventually player base will look like if our hopes are deceived.
You can't properly give feedback to something you have no hands-on time with. I'm not 100% happy with all the changes either, but I couldn't make a determination before it came out. Rarebit had to try it out first.
ArchDuke wrote:
odj wrote:Vinia wrote:...and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.If he had listened to some players when the New Approach first appeared and changed his methods then we wouldnt be in this idiotic position. But no, he stuck to his guns, look where thats got us, one month subscription down the drain.You can't properly give feedback to something you have no hands-on time with. I'm not 100% happy with all the changes either, but I couldn't make a determination before it came out. Rarebit had to try it out first.
Put it this way, when 1 man tells you you're drunk you laugh at him. When 10 pple tell you the same thing, in this case hundreds, you go to sleep and you start fresh. i do agree he had to try it out , but some things can be foreseen without experiencing them -> deduction ftw. look where we ended up.
tell you what, let's postpone this convo to the feedback on the first update beyond winter holidays.
NeoExcidious wrote:
ArchDuke wrote:odj wrote:Vinia wrote:...and that he may change his methods based on reactions by players this first time round.If he had listened to some players when the New Approach first appeared and changed his methods then we wouldnt be in this idiotic position. But no, he stuck to his guns, look where thats got us, one month subscription down the drain.You can't properly give feedback to something you have no hands-on time with. I'm not 100% happy with all the changes either, but I couldn't make a determination before it came out. Rarebit had to try it out first. Put it this way, when 1 man tells you you're drunk you laugh at him. When 10 pple tell you the same thing, in this case hundreds, you go to sleep and you start fresh. i do agree he had to try it out , but some things can be foreseen without experiencing them -> deduction ftw. look where we ended up.tell you what, let's postpone this convo to the feedback on the first update beyond winter holidays.
I like to think of this first round of meetings of the New Approach as an experiment. Rarebit had a hypothesis and a procedure. He was testing that hypothesis. He had to try it out to see how it would work, because you never know for sure unless you try. Even if players weren't happy about it. A lot of people weren't happy with CR2.0 too.
But yeah, we'll save this for after the Winter Event.
Anyway, I'd like to bring up the following questions again: are the reports of all the three meetings and the upcoming party be posted in the "Live Events" section? If not - why? I can't see any reason why this could not be made... We have no more story summaries, Rarebit didn't say anything on the idea to actually archive the 11.3 quests... Don't tell me that even the LE section itself will be abandoned?!
I'm sure the meetings and the LEs that still happen (though no longer daily) will get posted in that section.
You misunderstand us, we like the new contents what we do not like is what of good there was before, LE.
And we do not aske to go back to daily events, but to have back a minimum effort on the thing was the best proprieties of this game.
SEPET wrote:
deimoslvov wrote:Oh please... There will always be those who like change and those who are disappointed with it. Every time you change things you'll have to deal with that.You misunderstand us, we like the new contents what we do not like is what of good there was before, LE.And we do not aske to go back to daily events, but to have back a minimum effort on the thing was the best proprieties of this game.
quite.
Anyway, I'd like to bring up the following questions again: are the reports of all the three meetings and the upcoming party be posted in the "Live Events" section? If not - why?
If Rare wanted us to know all three sides of the story in this "new approach" he would open up the other org's 11.3 missions.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
Even if we can't have daily events, an event every 1-2 weeks would be good.
Illyria
I agree with both of you personally hydrazine and nubious..also I felt while i was standing there trying to read over miles of system chat that the weekly zion meetings that we have are more fuel charged and edifying than that meeting!
