Death Effect: Is it really needed? (PvP)

**ShiXinFeng**

eval wrote:

Ballak wrote:
Garu wrote:
Ballak wrote:
Why should you get penalized for dying in PvP?
Because when you fail to survive, you should be penalized. Otherwise, you have nothing to loose and thus, nothing to gain.
If I die in the game I die in real life?
Affirmative.

Only in The Game and other general Anonymous f@$$%*&y.

**Garu**

eval wrote:

Ballak wrote:
Garu wrote:
Ballak wrote:
Why should you get penalized for dying in PvP?
Because when you fail to survive, you should be penalized. Otherwise, you have nothing to loose and thus, nothing to gain.
If I die in the game I die in real life?
Affirmative.

Indeed, operative.

Hank_22

NERDS.

This game needs to let the RP go and start doing things that will improve gameplay.
Removal of Death Effect from PvP situations I.E. your killing blow is registered by a Player, not an NPC is a brilliant idea.

Croesis

I don't see how a 15% reduction in stats for a 5 minute period is detrimental to gameplay and considering that MxO is a vehicle for telling a story and wasn't made with the expressed intent for people to PvP, no it doesn't need to lep RP go. DE has been around forever and the reason for it explained, whats the point in complaining about it now?

**Gerik**

Deadcell wrote:

Make an NPC in the main hotspots called something like "The Nurse" and have her cure your DE for money this will help kill some of that inflation.#
SWG has a similar system in place.

Yes.

**Asna**

The_Bruceter wrote:

What i would like to see is some kind of looting system. Not clothes cause that would be really unfair but maybe something like taking a random amount of peoples info when you kill them.

LOL YES! That would be awesome.

/as

**Cadsuane**

Deadcell wrote:

Make an NPC in the main hotspots called something like "The Nurse" and have her cure your DE for money this will help kill some of that inflation.

Or maybe some kind of expensive consumable.

Not that I agree.. I'm kind of undecided on this issue - everyone's making good points.

Steelle

I think if you could just pay some amount of money and clear the death effect that would be cool. Or instead of reducing your skills or what not, what about health or IS Regen/total amount.

On the note of having loot from PvP. I'm not sure stealing someones $ would work, because then peeps could just throw all their info into a crew bank pvp with none at all and not lose it and then withdraw their money again. What if getting a CQ automatically gave you some bits, or a Red frag, like how you get an item when completing a crit.

**GodTier**

The only thing that bothers me about death effect is the "never lose death effect" glitch, which randomly happens. Needs a fix or something. Otherwise I ignore it and it doesn't seem to have any effect, in PvE AND PvP.

I dunno, I don't see a point in DE. Maybe it would be better if you came out of the hardline with no HP or IS too (i sometimes come out with all my HP regenerated), so people can't just jump right back into battle. Their HP regen should also decrease, or does it already? I can never tell.

I wouldn't want to lose any of my info or items if I died, although I wouldn't mind looting elite commando clothing or valk clothing from a dead Zion.

**Deadcell**

Steelle wrote:

I think if you could just pay some amount of money and clear the death effect that would be cool. Or instead of reducing your skills or what not, what about health or IS Regen/total amount.
On the note of having loot from PvP. I'm not sure stealing someones $ would work, because then peeps could just throw all their info into a crew bank pvp with none at all and not lose it and then withdraw their money again. What if getting a CQ automatically gave you some bits, or a Red frag, like how you get an item when completing a crit.

Not only will they put money into there crew banks it would kill pvp because everyone would be jumping.

and the DE curing Npc doesnt nessecarily need to be an NPC it could be a function on the hardline.

The Leo

DE is just stupid the way it works since our buffs are non-dynamic. It has also been bugged ever since beta. A removal of DE would also make more people stop from HJ/HL out on EVERY occasion since they lose. Also the info loot idea is good, but added to it if a player has any kind of code bits instead of losing them they should drop them on death for the "killer" to pick up if they want as loot (since some people press recon so fast there is no time to "loot" the normal way).

Croesis

Removing DE is not going to stop people HJing or HLing away when they're under threat.

The Leo

Vinia wrote:

Removing DE is not going to stop people HJing or HLing away when they're under threat.

No but it will give them less reason to do so. I prefer a DE where you cannot initiate combat and cannot be initiated in combat for 1 minute and some debuff like -30% speed for 5 mins since the normal debuff on everything screws up the system. Or change it to points debuff like -15 pts all stats and going away over 5 mins. That way we wont need to keep rebuffing ourselves after it wears of and if it stacks like 4 deaths we will need to wait before fighting again. In any case it should be something that doesn't compromise our non dynamical system and something not too much overdone.

Croesis

So instead of removing DE to give less incentive for people to HJ or HL out, you would prefer a change that would provide more incentive for people to HJ or HL out? Personally I like it when PvP is thick and fast, making people wait will slow down the rate of pvp.

Fatmop

Garu wrote:

you have nothing to loose and thus, nothing to gain.

What a great way of describing MxO's PVP. Seriously, Ballak's right. Since PVP here is more about time wasting than anything, DE really is just an annoyance in the grand scheme of shoot-die-respawn-shoot-die-etc. It ISN'T a meaningful penalty.

Meaningful penalties = lose all your stuff in Runescape, have to go find your body in WOW, lose your ship in EVE, and more. Since this game is not based around penalties for PVP, why have the DE annoyance at all?