The overwritten/copied statement from Smith in that scene actually adds some great value to the MxO storyline where Neo/Trinity were BIPs as part the interface program being copied onto Smith would've been what allowed him to overwrite Bane.
cloudwolf wrote:
While I like the way you're thinking, don't forget that the Machines often overwrote humans later - and they didn't have any BIP in their posession.
deimoslvov wrote:
cloudwolf wrote:The overwritten/copied statement from Smith in that scene actually adds some great value to the MxO storyline where Neo/Trinity were BIPs as part the interface program being copied onto Smith would've been what allowed him to overwrite Bane.While I like the way you're thinking, don't forget that the Machines often overwrote humans later - and they didn't have any BIP in their posession.
Those overwrites didn't change what people looked like, they only changed their minds.
CODEMAN wrote:
So the reason the Oligarch's appeared as "wire-framed humans" was because they were jacking in from android bodies
Pretty much. They were using a different kind of interface than operatives use to get in. Also, they didn't particularly care about looking normal.
There was a hint about the Trainman being involved with the Oracle a little while back that I don't think was caught. It involves a few of my favorite characters, so I'll just go ahead and point it out. :)
First, recall that the Merv was looking for the Trainman to bring the Apothecary into the Matrix. His trail led to the elevator room in the Abandoned Subway, where Malphas said he detected an entrace in the middle of the far wall, and left "a note on his doorstep."
[7.1.4] "Chocolates will not tempt him out, I fear" - Syntax - 3/29/07
Once the Trainman was in the Matrix, he brought the Apothecary in right around the corner from that same location:
[7.2.1] She comes highly recommended - Vector - 4/25/07
Skip ahead ten months. Halborn is hunting the Oracle in Richland, and the Morpheus sim is up to something in Westview. Look where he goes:
[9.2.4] Emanation - Vector - 2/4/08
And who he visits there:
Lo Ruhamah is an exiled monitoring program. Where does she end up after Morpheus exits the subway?
Skip ahead two months. Halborn has killed the Oracle. Sati, Seraph, and the Morpheus sim have disappeared. Ookami and some Mervs go hunting for them. Where does the trail lead?
[10.1.1] No girl... No angel... No prophet... - Syntax - 4/7/08
I have to say I really like the planned out story (as well as making what has already happened MUCH more interesting with the Ogliarch back story).
It really needs more out-of-matrix stuff that could have been provided by cutscenes...
Great work RareBit... sorry it's all coming to an end.
ZaneZavin wrote:
deimoslvov wrote:cloudwolf wrote:The overwritten/copied statement from Smith in that scene actually adds some great value to the MxO storyline where Neo/Trinity were BIPs as part the interface program being copied onto Smith would've been what allowed him to overwrite Bane.While I like the way you're thinking, don't forget that the Machines often overwrote humans later - and they didn't have any BIP in their posession.Those overwrites didn't change what people looked like, they only changed their minds.
Also they weren't completely successful.
I finally got to read all of this :) My is it interesting!!
I am really happy that the Trainman and the Oracle both stay alive and come back in the story =)
It sure would have been nice if we could have learned from the old team what they planned to do with Neo remains, Sarah and all the rest, but I understand why they wouldn't have done that since it would have hurt anything you may have planned to do with them when you took over! I guess we will have to decide for ourselves how those stories end! :P
That picture of the pod is cool! Thank you for showing us!
Thank you for explaning the Morpheus Lo Ruhamah thing! I never figured that one out but was sooo curious :D A lot of other things got answered too like the event with Balthial and stuff :)
I would have loved to see that white sky and gold hallways! That would have been lots of fun :)
I agree.
Illyria
Its funny you posted those pics from that event with Seraph, Morpheus Sim and Lo. I meant to ask about that.
I gathered from that event (and some concurrent mentions in a crit...something The Oracle alluded to perhaps?) that there was to be kind of a Free Exile movement...programs that no longer wanted to be under the Merv's jurisdiction. I read that event as egged on by Seraph, and for which the Morpheus Sim might have been the eventual leader. Perhaps even shedding his Morpheus "shell" and forging his own seperate identity). Reason being I figured the Merv was way overdue for another insurrection...aside from little dumb ones like Desayd the Nighmare, nothing really since the Invalesco thing waay back when. But with this resulting in a full sub org of its own....bringing them into parity with Mechs and Zions with EPN / Cyphs.
Just wondering, had you considered anything along those lines?
Did you ever want to right the full story for MxO, or did the task just fall to you and you ended up doing it? I really like what you did with it.
Villemar_MxO wrote:
Its funny you posted those pics from that event with Seraph, Morpheus Sim and Lo. I meant to ask about that.I gathered from that event (and some concurrent mentions in a crit...something The Oracle alluded to perhaps?) that there was to be kind of a Free Exile movement...programs that no longer wanted to be under the Merv's jurisdiction. I read that event as egged on by Seraph, and for which the Morpheus Sim might have been the eventual leader. Perhaps even shedding his Morpheus "shell" and forging his own seperate identity). Reason being I figured the Merv was way overdue for another insurrection...aside from little dumb ones like Desayd the Nighmare, nothing really since the Invalesco thing waay back when. But with this resulting in a full sub org of its own....bringing them into parity with Mechs and Zions with EPN / Cyphs. Just wondering, had you considered anything along those lines?
Nope.
monkeymanx8 wrote:
I was fortunate in that it more or less defaulted to me eventually.
Rarebit wrote:
Okay then!
Well my last and final question about the storyline, kind of broad I suppose, relates to the character-driven evolution of the story as opposed to the event-driven aspects of the story.
Did you have any ideas about taking different characters in new and different directions? Like the whole Emo Persephone / Thanatos phase she recently went through.
What do you think would have become of the General, everyone's favorite bete noir for such a long time, reduced to Merv's errand boy in the Real. Had you thought about him escaping eventually, or having him killed off outright?
Had you considered returning Agent Pace to her old, cheery self; or was she to stay strictly business forevermore?
I also wondered about the psychic trauma of Cryptos and eventual resentments and identity crises of Cryptos. Would those resentments have come to an eventual boil, causing Cryptos to act in unpredicable / dangerous ways?
Oh and on a lighter note, as the surly and unpleasant cartoonlike character he became, any thoughts about the possibility of Flood's eventual comeuppance?
Had you any ideas for any of the other main characters? Like I mentioned on the other thread I think, I really liked the slight growth of character for the Merovingian in Chapter Eight when he starts for the first time to take a real interest in the real world outside of the simulation.
I realize character arcs arent for everyone...for example I don't see Grey changing his behavior and attitudes much anytime soon. And some of the minor characters I have to say were pitch-perfect and should never change. The Twins, Beirn, Effy for example.
Way back quite a while ago I wrote a screenplay, inspired by some independent Tarantinoesque movies in the 90's and a screenwriting seminar by a professional film screenwriter. What I remember he said that I found to be true for me and what made it fun was this advice: He suggested basically consider your storyline to be a very rough roadmap where rather than having a rigid inflexible route, you have certain points on the map you want to hit, ie. Point A, Point B, Point C etc.
He advised, while you want the characters to hit those certain spots on the map, between those points have the characters veer off and go off the main highway on side routes; and you'll find they'll almost write themselves and they'll do things that will surprise even you. Just when you think they'll zig, they zag.
So to sum up, while the storyline you've created and shown here is primarily (and of necessity) event-based; how much of the character-driven aspects of the story had you allowed yourself; and had you planned on focusing more on the character-driven side of things through Chapter 14 and beyond? Letting yourself take the characters off the beaten path between Points A and B as it were, to grow, to change, to evolve?
Anyways, hope this makes sense.
/salute
I didn't try to plan out stuff like that far in advance. Things like the Kid being shot down and getting scarred, Persephone trying to save Kroller and being nearly killed, lashing back at the Merv, stuff like that just happens as you get to thinking how you're going to execute certain story points, and what that would mean to the characters involved.
