The Zionites' killing of a few agents was nothing more than their little tantrum after the Morpheus sim escaped from them. It's unfortunate that their childish anger led to the deaths of the agents' bluepill hosts, especially when all the Zionites had to do to avoid those deaths would have been to leave the area. The sim was already gone and there was no real point for Zion to stick around anyway. But instead they chose to act out and take down a few agents, killing bluepills in the process...and then they say something along the lines of 'we made them do it' because the Machines designed the agents to use bluepills that way. The thing is, Zion knows this -- they know that agents were designed that way, and that every time they kill an agent, it's really a bluepill that dies. But they choose to do it anyway, even when (as in this incident) there is nothing to be gained. They may claim it's in self defense or whatever to try to justify it, but it really boils down to this...When an agent kills you, you don't really die. So it's no big deal when this happens; you just reconstruct and come back, good as new. So no matter if you fight or jump away, nothing permanent happens to you.When you kill an agent, the agent doesn't really die, but his bluepill host does. That bluepill is gone forever. You may whine and moan all you want about how it's the Machines' fault for making the agents that way, but you *knew* they were made that way too...you had the choice to jump away or leave the area or even to let the agent send you back to the loading area, but in the end it was *your* choice to take that human life. Illyria
The Zionites' killing of a few agents was nothing more than their little tantrum after the Morpheus sim escaped from them. It's unfortunate that their childish anger led to the deaths of the agents' bluepill hosts, especially when all the Zionites had to do to avoid those deaths would have been to leave the area. The sim was already gone and there was no real point for Zion to stick around anyway. But instead they chose to act out and take down a few agents, killing bluepills in the process...and then they say something along the lines of 'we made them do it' because the Machines designed the agents to use bluepills that way.
The thing is, Zion knows this -- they know that agents were designed that way, and that every time they kill an agent, it's really a bluepill that dies. But they choose to do it anyway, even when (as in this incident) there is nothing to be gained. They may claim it's in self defense or whatever to try to justify it, but it really boils down to this...
When an agent kills you, you don't really die. So it's no big deal when this happens; you just reconstruct and come back, good as new. So no matter if you fight or jump away, nothing permanent happens to you.
When you kill an agent, the agent doesn't really die, but his bluepill host does. That bluepill is gone forever.
You may whine and moan all you want about how it's the Machines' fault for making the agents that way, but you *knew* they were made that way too...you had the choice to jump away or leave the area or even to let the agent send you back to the loading area, but in the end it was *your* choice to take that human life.
Illyria
Who tracked down a bluepill potential, killed him, and replaced him with a drone again? Oh yeah, the Machines.Who invades the bodies of the bluepills, effectively killing them if not putting them at danger (like they have a normal life, if any after that)? Oh yeah, the Machines.
Get off of your high horse and realize it's already been beaten to death.
Who tracked down a bluepill potential, killed him, and replaced him with a drone again? Oh yeah, the Machines.Who invades the bodies of the bluepills, effectively killing them if not putting them at danger (like they have a normal life, if any after that)? Oh yeah, the Machines.Get off of your high horse and realize it's already been beaten to death.
Who invades the bodies of the bluepills, effectively killing them if not putting them at danger (like they have a normal life, if any after that)? Oh yeah, the Machines.
Neoteny wrote:Who tracked down a bluepill potential, killed him, and replaced him with a drone again? Oh yeah, the Machines.Who invades the bodies of the bluepills, effectively killing them if not putting them at danger (like they have a normal life, if any after that)? Oh yeah, the Machines.Get off of your high horse and realize it's already been beaten to death.Who tracked down a bluepill potential to test a new pill on him which killed him.... Oh yeah... Zion.Who kills the bluepills who's presence's have been temporarily borrowed by Agent programs (which doesn't have any side effects to it that have been proven)? Oh yeah....Need I go on?Heh, we could bat this ball around all day. I also invite you to step down from your tall steed.
The example Neoteny provided was a murder. The example you provided was an accident due to a new pill structure, which only needed to be developed because of the Machines in the first place. No potentials are ever guaranteed to survive the transition in an awakening regardless, but does that mean we shouldn't try to help those who want out? You wanted out yourself once.. should you have been denied?
As far as the Agent programs are concerned... I think your problem is with free humans, not Zion. You've never seen a group of machinist operatives attacking an Agent before? Merovingian operatives? Cypherite operatives? I certainly have.
The example Neoteny provided was a murder. The example you provided was an accident due to a new pill structure, which only needed to be developed because of the Machines in the first place. No potentials are ever guaranteed to survive the transition in an awakening regardless, but does that mean we shouldn't try to help those who want out? You wanted out yourself once.. should you have been denied?As far as the Agent programs are concerned... I think your problem is with free humans, not Zion. You've never seen a group of machinist operatives attacking an Agent before? Merovingian operatives? Cypherite operatives? I certainly have.
The perverted logic you use, Illyria, Vinia too, it's useless in the reflection of reality. Open your eyes, goddamnit.
It's not perverted logic to point out that whenever you kill an agent you're really killing a bluepill. And while I can understand that sometimes Zionites will kill bluepills in this way for a tactical advantage against the Machines (just as the Machines killed both Mr. Manohars for a tactical advantage against Zion), the incident in Murasaki park was nothing more than spite on Zion's part. Zion had nothing to gain by taking down those agents after the Morpheus sim left. It was just acting out, like a child's tantrum.
