You want solutions? Try some trust and some goodwill never hurt either. That bunk and boo hoo sentiment that the Machines declared war for no reason is unbelievable. The Machines didn't just declare war on Zion on a whim and for kicks, Zion provoked that one. Sure you can make a new city, but again the sneaky way Zion does business is what set the Mechs off. Hell at the very least hire some Merv reps to speak on your behalf, and don't worry Neoteny, you aren't the only butcher in Zion...Morpheus pretty much said the same thing you're saying. I really do hope that the solution you think is best is in the decided minority of the Zion ranks, with that sort of thinking you are no better than Smith.
You think they'd listen to you lot any more than they'd listen to us? They've been trying to put you out of business since before day one. But I'll say it again: they're not interested in speaking with us at all. If they were interested in talk, they would've spoken to us before the declaration of war, and they wouldn't have placed ridiculous conditions on a simple talk between warring states. You want to say that we provoked the Machine attack? Fine, you can see it like that if you choose. But they never once made any attempt to find out what our intentions were, to give us a chance with this new city, before they declared war.
Put simply, they were the only ones with the power to declare war, and they exercised that option without even entirely analyzing the situation, without trying to talk to us. And now they don't even want to listen to us.
That doesn't scream positive implications for any sort of peace. It doesn't even scream positive implications for any sort of peace plan, or discussion of such a thing.
The ball is in their court. It always has been, and likely will continue to be until either side is erradicated. I've said it since the beginning - the old man has the power to stop this with a word. But he won't. So if I have to, I'll have to stop it with millions of bodies.
I never wanted it this way.
Neoteny, you have no idea how refreshing it is to hear from someone who doesn't live in the land of the fairies.
Land of the fairies, no. Land of the sociopaths, yes.
To be willing to murder on such a massive scale, just so that everyone left alive will live the way *you* want them to live...it's insane. Worse than that, it's evil.
Illyria
"Evil" is subjective. Atrocious things are done to and by the human race in the name of "good", and they are taken that way because people don't see them as "evil".I'd have to ask a question that I've asked long ago, was Neo wrong for going through the door the Architect told him would bring about the destruction of the human race, just because he thought there was another way?
Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. Looking back on it from our perspective, it's easy to say that Neo was right when he chose that door. But if his actions really had brought about the end of humanity (from both the destruction of Zion and then the crash of the Matrix)...well then, that would have been the wrong choice.
Pyraci wrote:"Evil" is subjective. Atrocious things are done to and by the human race in the name of "good", and they are taken that way because people don't see them as "evil".I'd have to ask a question that I've asked long ago, was Neo wrong for going through the door the Architect told him would bring about the destruction of the human race, just because he thought there was another way?Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. Looking back on it from our perspective, it's easy to say that Neo was right when he chose that door. But if his actions really had brought about the end of humanity (from both the destruction of Zion and then the crash of the Matrix)...well then, that would have been the wrong choice. Illyria
Saving people by killing them? Isn't that what the witch hunters said they were doing, when they burned the accused at the stake?
Saving people by killing them? Isn't that what the witch hunters said they were doing, when they burned the accused at the stake? Illyria
