thats the point i try to make; everything i have said up until now, proves without a shdow of a doubt that u have no idea what it is u are talking about. u cannot prove to me that mxo is version 6! none of u can, every single one of u are absolutley wrong.

this thing is like the great religion wars.

ur wrong because u think i am wrong. i interpret things differently than u. there is more than one way of seeing things. every single one of u guys believe the same way, u think im wrong.

u know a person is smart, people can be stupid, they get together and they form cults, they can start riots, they can follow the blind.

i have no such intentions and i will not accept that u guys have a clue to what ur talking about.

lol

this game is not the matrix that u saw in the movies; any of u who believe that are role players, the matrix that u saw in the last 20 seconds of the final film is not the matrix that u saw when the oracle and neo were sitting on a bench in debir court.

ur are in error to think this way and that is ok, because how u understand the story and grasp what u see is dependent upon where u are spiritually.

that is all

 

A collective intelligence is far better than a single intelligence as a single person can and often does make mistakes, mistakes that can be rectified and/or pointed out by others. A collective intelligence which openly looks into all theories and compare it to evidence presented is more likely to get to the truth than a single person who will not accept evidence.

I have every intention on contributing to the collective intelligence in the hopes that I may, in some way, help to advance understanding and I will not accept that you have a clue to what you are talking about.

'lol'

You are in error to think this way and that is OK, as long as you don't claim that you are correct and everyone else is wrong just because you ignore strong evidence and you think you are correct.

That is all.

I'm probably going to get my posterior handed to me by a mod, but I have never in my life come across someone as pigheaded as you, Nexus (or Siren or whatever your name is). You put religious zealots to shame.

nexus2revolution wrote:

it has nothing to do with any logik or reason, it is that, because that is how it is

Your membership to the human race is hereby rescinded.

Thank you to Trayden for finding the speech I've been thinking of all this time. I couldn't find it amongst Othinn's logs. Actually, you haven't even responded to that yet that I've seen, Nexus/Siren. Please do. I have a long work day ahead of me and could do with a laugh.

thats the point i try to make; everything i have said up until now, proves without a shdow of a doubt that u have no idea what it is u are talking about. u cannot prove to me that mxo is version 6! none of u can, every single one of u are absolutley wrong.

this thing is like the great religion wars.

ur wrong because u think i am wrong. i interpret things differently than u. there is more than one way of seeing things. every single one of u guys believe the same way, u think im wrong.

u know a person is smart, people can be stupid, they get together and they form cults, they can start riots, they can follow the blind.

i have no such intentions and i will not accept that u guys have a clue to what ur talking about.

lol

this game is not the matrix that u saw in the movies; any of u who believe that are role players, the matrix that u saw in the last 20 seconds of the final film is not the matrix that u saw when the oracle and neo were sitting on a bench in debir court.

ur are in error to think this way and that is ok, because how u understand the story and grasp what u see is dependent upon where u are spiritually.

that is all

 

nexus2revolution wrote:

thats the point i try to make; everything i have said up until now, proves without a shdow of a doubt that u have no idea what it is u are talking about. u cannot prove to me that mxo is version 6! none of u can, every single one of u are absolutley wrong.

this thing is like the great religion wars.

ur wrong because u think i am wrong. i interpret things differently than u. there is more than one way of seeing things. every single one of u guys believe the same way, u think im wrong.

u know a person is smart, people can be stupid, they get together and they form cults, they can start riots, they can follow the blind.

i have no such intentions and i will not accept that u guys have a clue to what ur talking about.

lol

this game is not the matrix that u saw in the movies; any of u who believe that are role players, the matrix that u saw in the last 20 seconds of the final film is not the matrix that u saw when the oracle and neo were sitting on a bench in debir court.

ur are in error to think this way and that is ok, because how u understand the story and grasp what u see is dependent upon where u are spiritually.

that is all

 

Ok logic and reasoning doesn't seem to work so lets try the pigheadedness route as used by Siren...

Everything we have said up until now, proves without a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea what you are talking about. You cannot prove to us that MxO isn't version 6! You are absolutely wrong. (As Gami said 'Burdon of Proof'

yes i have, watch the films
You are wrong because you think we are wrong, and you blatantly ignore evidence presented. We interpret things differently than you as we use logic and reasonable evidence. While there is more than one way of seeing things, most of us do not need to come up with faux evidence to back up our reasoning. Most of us believe the same reasoning based on, quite frankly, hundreds of discussions with each other and research on the topic and similar topics, that is where u fail  However, despite all of this you think we are wrong.

A collective intelligence is far better than a single intelligence as a single person can and often does make mistakes, mistakes that can be rectified and/or pointed out by others.

 ok ima play ur game vinia! a collective intelligence is far better.... mmmm

az i recall a lot of people believed the earth was flat, one person thought it was round, he was persecuted.

um there was a cult down in south america that was led by jim jones, it was a collective, they all committed suicide.

another cult fairly recently did the same thing when they saw hale bopp comet in the night sky.

in a group conciousness, riots begin, wars start, and this thread is a perfect example, all of u have completely forgot what this post was origiially about.

it was a bunch of people together that is responsible for killing christ.

i never heard of a group of people spontaneously comeup with a ala theory of relativity.

 

 

 A collective intelligence which openly looks into all theories and compare it to evidence presented is more likely to get to the truth than a single person who will not accept evidence.

a collective conscience is more likely to go to the movies, go shopping, and destroy 12 city blocks after a soccer game than look at a theory.

I have every intention on contributing to the collective intelligence in the hopes that I may, in some way, help to advance understanding and I will not accept that you have a clue to what you are talking about.

that is why u have failed, this whole thing has turned into all of u against me, i stand tall against all of u,and u great collective is trying to crucify me and i am going to prove all of u are wrong now.

'lol'

This game is based on the simulation shown in Reloaded and Revolutions and used as a vehicle by the brothers Wachowski to further that story.  You have presented us no real evidence that the simulation that you saw in the last 20 seconds of Revolutions is not the simulation that you saw when the Oracle and Neo were sitting on that bench in Debir Court.

YES I HAVE. i cannot help if u cant see it. u saw at the end of the matrix revolutions that everything changed. that is proof, believe ur own eyes! there is no interpretation of it that can come from another's  mind, just acknowldege what u saw and stopp asking someone who dont have a clue what it means to provide u with the answer. that is how this whole thing started. u agree with what someone else says and u go with it without thinking, blindly.

You are in error to think this way and that is OK, as long as you don't claim that you are correct and everyone else is wrong just because you ignore strong evidence and you think you are correct.

my evidence is what is in the films, not another persons interpretation. watch the films, ask urself, not somone else what happened.

That is all.

 

nexus2revolution wrote:

jeez vinia

there is something that u need to know about me and that iz i think outside the box and u can say anything that u want about me but i would like to make a point here.

it is 2 dimensional thinking to consider that since neo did not go back to source, the matrix could not be re-booted. and it is 2 diminsional to believe that the version of the matrix we saw in revolutions did not crash and have to be rebooted to another version.

No its called useing LOGIC and REASON. Logic dictates that because Neo never reached the source the cycle was not continued sense that was the only way to bring about a new cycle. 

wrong answer; who told u that?the movies never say that, that is something u tend to believe

 And sense the number of cycles is the measure we judge what version of the Matrix we are in, you are clearly wrong in saying we are in version 7. Even for a pseudo philosophical view your wrong because then it would only be version 4. 1 was Paradise, 2  was Man's history/hell. 3 introduced Choice and the One which ran through 6 cycles. 4 would be the now and post 6th cycle.

wrong answer again, someone is roll playing too much. there was dialogue mentioning the first matrix as being paradise where no one suffered, it was clearly a christian reference to the garden of eden. but as far as the films are concerned, there is no dialogue that confirms anything about mans history/hell. or the 3rd one introducing choice. ummm so im going comeplety disregard any of that,

nexus2revolution wrote:

the whole choice thing; red pill or blue pill, to believe or not to believe, to be with power or without power, this door or that door was shattered in revolutions. for neo created a third choice.

choices were shattered, the matrix crashed! the one was a lie! it is all a system of control.

that control failed!

This is irrelevant to figuring what version of the Matrix we are in and you need to decided which way you want to argue. you started by debating a literal change in the numbered version and tried to use hard evidence like Zions Jack-in OS to support you. Now you throwing it all out the window and spouting off supposed "profound" meanings to back you up.

The break down of choice (which was never there to begin with if you actually take note of what Neo means when he says "You were right Smith, you were always right. It was inevitable."the crash was the matrix being occupyed by smiths. u dont actually think a crash has to do with a loss of power do u? the crash is what u see right in front of u but are just too blind to see it.

open ur eyes!

the entire simulation was taken over by smith. u are staring at the crash and it doesnt even register. such 2 dimensional thinking. smith was everywhere, the architect had lost control of the simulation in ever aspect.

come on, think it through; everyone in the sim was infected with the smith.

why do u think that after the conversation with the architect that there was fire when he closed the door, and neo had to fly out?

because smith had gotton thru the door made of light and it triggered the bomb

yes the matrix is constantly running, this is true but dont think for a second that it is in machine control

 

nexus2revolution wrote:

hell yes this is a new version of the matrix! and i dont really think that u guys are the serious experts that u claim to be, if u were u would agree with me. i mean come on, get ur head in the game and think it through completely.

None of us have claimed to be experts. If agreeing with you is what it takes to be such I'll be the first to say id rather be a bumbling *CENSORED* idiot on the subject, thank you very much. We have all thought it through but not all of us are so keen to be completely ignorant when it comes to key facts and not interpretations.

nexus2revolution wrote:

let me break it down completly for u....

trinity was supposed to die in the matrix, neo saved her

smith was an unplugged program, found a way to get out of the matrix.

neo was blinded but found a way to see

neo found out eveything is a lie

smith took complete control of the matrix

neo went to machine city

matrix was rebooted without neo returning to the source

now everything above was done for the very first time ever

in debir court.

No Trinity was never set to die.

 Architect said that she is going to die and there is nothing u can do to stop it 

In fact the Oracle explained to Neo that he was the one that would decide her fate. To live or die. If anything she was meant to live because of the door he picked. This isn't even getting into the whole "The mind makes it real" understanding you clearly lack. Trinity never died. In the real her heart was fine and was never pierced by anything, when she did "die" it was her mind being unable to distinguish between what was real and what wasn't anymore. All Neo did was give her RSI a jump start so her brain could wake up again and remember that nothing in the Matrix was real thus she's fine.

The Oracle also already explained Smith and exiles to Neo. She tells him that programs sometimes choose exile over deletion for their own reasons. Smith did just this. He was driven by his desire to kill Neo which disallowed him to return to the source. The fact that no other Agent had ever done so is irelivent. it only shows that the Oracle has something in motion and Smith was apart of it.

Neo's blindness is also irrelevant. How exactly does his condition in the real (something that only has 1 version) pertain to the Matrix version? All it shows us is again something is happening that hasn't happened before. Neo has tapped further into his powers then any other "One". The Oracle even explained that to him by telling him the power of the One reaches beyond the Matrix.

this throws logik and reason out the window. how can a man see when he has no eyes?it is a signal to the viewer, the audience memeber to let go of all ur preconceptions, there is no science that can explain what is going on now.

this is beyond powers, this is neo connecting to the source in a way the architect cannot understand. he is seeing his enviroment and its like the whole thing is made of light!  it is, everything is energy! that is some next level science for those of u are rushing to catch up now,

The revealing of the "truth" and how everything was a lie is just as irrelevant to bring about another version

 

 The only part it plays is in the end game and that now Neo knows exactly whats going on and how complicated the situation really is. In fact the truth only puts him further into the Oracle's grasp and gives him more of a reason to go along with her.

Smith's control just shows how great his power has become. Like Neo he has tapped further into the power one can achieve within the Matrix. That and that now version six is under his command now and no longer under the Machines. But no reset, crash, or reboot has occurred. Smith has done nothing more then redesign and rewrite.

2 dimensional thinking again : (

Neo going to the Machine city is once again irrelevant to the version number. All it does is show us he's going along with the Oracle's plan. That something new is happening but it isn't changing the system or the Matrix.

Lastly the Matrix IS NOT rebooted. It is rewritten. To reboot a computer you have to shut it down. No where do I see the screen going black and the system restarting. What we see is more consistent with what we see in the first film. The Machines overwriting the code. In this case it was massive sense Smith's rewrite was just as massive but there still is no reboot.

This all being done for the first time is pointless. it just shows us that the cycle was broken and as a said before if anything this a version 4. But even then that isn't right sense the only thing that has changed is the cycle is no longer available. The choice for bluepills still remains. The needs to monitor them is still there. In fact nothing has changed at all except that Neo destroyed the cycle. The reasons for the cycles creation though are still very much present within the Matrix.

Oh yeah and there is only one scene with debir in it, and it ain't where any of this happened. The Battle between Smith and Neo was in downtown. In fact they come crashing down on the very phone booth the first film ends at. Then the meeting between the oracle and Architect happens in a park. Not the middle of a ghetto.

nexus2revolution wrote:

this game is not version 6. the movie was version 6.

some of u guys have said that some of this stuff in this game is not canon; that in and of itself is saying that this is not version 6.

rarebit can come on as the merv and say anything in chat; unless it is approved by the brothers; its not canon.

As pointed out above your reasoning for this not being version 6 is all but wrong. It is still very much version 6 and even the most cynical players about the game and its story will all agree that we are still in version six at the end of the film.

u said urself that the simulation was rewritten which tell me that u actually see what it is i am talking about. the problem lies in what exactly does it mean that u are seeing. i will tell u

rewritten, is that the word u want to use? ok fine, verison seven was written on top of version 6. its not the same matrix. there are more than 1000 reasons that are all around u. stop being so dense, please.

Those that say the game isn't canon though are very much mistaken and only say so because it doesn't live up to their expectations of what the game would bring (most actually are just peeved that their theory was smashed to bits by the game) Also the Brothers did approve it all. They handed the Matrix saga over to Paul Chadwick. From that point on it was his baby to do with whatever he wanted. While he did remain loyal to them and got their advice on certain aspects it was still very much his to do whatever with. Once he had had enough he handed it off to Rarebit. While some may come on and say that this nullifies MxO from the Matrix canon it doesn't until the W bros come on and say so. We have been left with them saying that it was Paul's to do with and that was the last we heard. Anything else is only speculation and personal disagreement with the direction the story has taken.

nexus2revolution wrote:

for all of u who read this; it is true that we are playing version 7, version 6 did crash when smith took over everything. watch the last film, nothing in that last film indicates that it did not reboot. all the proof the nay sayers have is what was said by the architect in the previous film which holds no water since it was before revolutions. we find out in revolutions that the one is just another form of control.

its 2 dimensional thinking about a film that shatters that form of thinking.

anyway

i look foward to see u guys in game; dont forget to come to the party tomorrow night for asagi; it is her farewell party for she is retiring from mxo. it will be in debir court.

Back it up. So far all you have is a trail of completely wrong and debunked theories. Until you show some credible evidence that isn't filled with your own interpretation you haven't proven anything. Nothing in the last film indicates that it DID reboot. As I said the burden of proof states that you have to prove your claim that something does exist not that we have to prove it doesn't. All the proof we showed with the architect does hold water. It is never refuted, never contradicted. The move ends leaving us to believe he was right about all he said. In fact (and this may come as a shock) the last two films were filmed together. They are two parts of a whole story. The revelation of control doesn't disprove anything at all. In fact its what revealed that Neo was just control meaning that in order for your theory to even be considered as right our facts would have to have been true!

My God! It makes perfect sense now!

The Wachowski's lied to us. Chadwick lied to us. Rarebit is still lying to us!

It's all a lie! Everything we thought we knew about the Matrix is one big lie!

The Matrix has been rebooted and upgraded to Vista. This is the 7th version. Sarah Edmontons is the new anomaly.

nexus2revolution is right. Thank you for freeing my mind.

I'm going to go tell everyone I can the good news right now.

It's up to us!

what i have seen in front of me is proof that left alone long enough, people will begin to lose perspective of knowledge obtained from a source providing that they are allowed to discuss it with other people.

here i am, a single individual with a view point that contradicts what it is they believe and to put a point to it.

this same mentality ushers in a defragmenting of human consciousness.

its a blue pill mentality!

i asked all of you in the beginning what is the matrix?

i told u the truth about certain aspects that were brought up in this thread.

i knew what the consequences were, i tried anyway. that was my mistake

i apologize for any inconveinance i have caused u

goodbye

u r wrong. open ur eyes, this is where u fail. teh matrix wus rewriten not reset and started on a new version. that is where u fail. remember teh wall in teh furst movie? that is where u fail. the Machines rewrote teh Matrix after smith's infection - it wasn't restarted.

Procurator wrote:

u r wrong. open ur eyes, this is where u fail. teh matrix wus rewriten not reset and started on a new version. that is where u fail. remember teh wall in teh furst movie? that is where u fail. the Machines rewrote teh Matrix after smith's infection - it wasn't restarted.

Procurator appears to have broken... o_O

Anyone know if he has a rewrite button?

*Laughs.* Sorry.

Seriously though, I'd be interested to know if the drivel spewed forth from Nexus/Siren's primary facial orifice is meant just to rile us up or confuse us, or if he actually believes it.

'Cos if he really thinks like this, he's gonna have fun getting through life.

*Laughs.* Sorry. " />

Seriously though, I'd be interested to know if the drivel spewed forth from Nexus/Siren's primary facial orifice is meant just to rile us up or confuse us

Because his logick iz fullproof. He has convinced me now.

I belive him.

The architect clearly says that following the failure of the first Matrix, the paradise, that the Matrix was "redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature." He then goes on to say that he was again hit by failure. This the second Matrix, the history/hell one. And that's straight from the movie, homes. So no, it's not "roll play" (though I do like to do barrel rolls - good times) that's given fact.

And for someone who criticizes everyone else for not accepting "what's in front of u" you certainly do a good deal of the same. For example, you assume that the Matrix would have crashed due to the Smiths, and seem to completely ignore the fact that it was still active up to and during the point that Neo sacrificed himself to purify the virus. Since it would be removed at that point, and stability would be on a turn for the better, what gives you the impression that it crashed thereafter and was restarted? All you've said is that "everything is different," which is completely untrue. Nothing changed after that, spare that Sati made a pretty little sunrise, Neo died, and after his virtual penicillin went through Smith, everybody could go about their hum-drum connected-to-the-pods lives. Or, to phrase it better, the status quo was restored (that means everything went back to normal).

As for there being no new cycle due to Neo not returning to the source, this has been confirmed in Agent Gray's dialogue in Chapter 8.1.1, I believe, where he tells Machinists that due to the fact that due to Neo's sacrifice, it may no longer be necessary to restart a cycle of the One, as the remainder explained by the Architect in his speech in Reloaded has been accounted for.

"Logic" is spelled with a "c," by the way, and no matter how many times you spell it with a "k," it still has about as much a probability of catching on as your unfounded and, quite frankly, mentally-challenged views of plot structure, storyline, analysis, and synthesis. Do not pursue an english major following high school.

tl;dr

**Welcome to our forums** my internetz.

After reading through this thread(or at least trying) why do you guys even bother to replay? because all this thread seems to be is just pointless arguing with the OP.