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Tranque101 wrote:
My associates have laid out their proofs and their evidences but how can they hold up to your invincible arguement of "iz true cauze i seez the numbers!"
Agreed, Siren asks for people not to dress up their theories and ideas and present them as fact, yet he does exactly what he asks people not to do. Unfortunately it's a common theme in his threads...


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the architect said in describing versions of the matrix; that he prefers to count the emergence of one intregal anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

I think you just shot your preposterous theory in the foot there. If the versions are numbered by the emergence of the integral anomaly (aka the One), then this can't be v7 because there isn't a 7th One yet. Neo was the 6th One, in the 6th Matrix. There is no 7th.

And I like your definition of proof, by the way. Let me see if I can pull it off too:

I am your master. I own you, and I own all the property you thought you possessed.

Do 'u have documented dialogue form the brothers that what i say is absolutley wrong'[sic]? No? Then I must be right! So hand over your baseball cap, slave.




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nexus2revolution wrote:

as many people say that i am wrong and misinformed, there are problems and holes in what u are saying.

the architect said in describing versions of the matrix; that he prefers to count the emergence of one intregal anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

unless u have dialogue from the brothers to back ur statement up, im going to have to take the stance that u and other people that agree with you are wrong on this account that mxo is still the sixth version and need to stop selling this untruth az fact.

let us first define what a version of the matrix is. a version of a simulation is any improvement of the simulation hence why everytime we get a patch, it will read differently v7.156 to v7.247. for example.

the argument i see that is oft repeated is that i cannot use the patch notes as verification because that is only a hovercraft operating system. that is pretty good imagination but im not role playing here at all. we are not on a hovercraft and i dont have a system for hacking into the matrix. i wish i did, i would hack it, bring the original gi back but thats besides the point. : P

back to topic, neo has already emerged in version 6

this is not the same version because everything has changed, this mxo is one that we can play, it is not same version as the one we saw in the movies. u need to stop selling that untruth as truth. i ask that next time u jack into mxo and look around. if this is still version 6, why on earth is everyone looking for neo to come back?

the oracle mentioned that we might see him again, i believe her.

look at ur patch notes next time u log on.... it says v7.****, it has always been v7. the brothers wanted it that way! that is why it is that way!

this isnt role playing- the patch notes are not on ur hovercraft operating system- u get those notes directly form the source; i mean soe!

the thing that happened at the end of neo/smith fight was a reboot.  the last shot was mxo.

the reason that u still see smith virus and neo agents is because like the oracle said, smith wouldnt stop with the simulation and he didnt obviously, he obviously got out and went beyond the simulation. bits of him are everywhere. example of what im talking about and this cannot be downplayed.

smith actually got out of the matrix, remember, and overwrote a human being in the real. lets no underestimate how mind boggling this is.

oracle refers to it as the smith buisness. the smith buisness was far more complex then we know, it exceeded the boundaries of the matrix more than we realize. i believe it is possible for him to have gotton in machine city even.

the smith virus and the neo agents that we see pop up every now and then in my view point are a running parody in the simulation. they are not systemic anomalies that actually threaten the system. if they were, then we would see them doing just that. the intruders caused more damage to the system than they did. they actually got the attention of the architect.

anyway

like i was saying, anyone can say this is version 6, version 12, version 183. the patch notes say this is version 7. that is proof. other proof is the end of the last film when u see everything change. that is what a reboot look likes. the green tint was gone. it was a new version of the matrix. i am not role playing here and if u are, i hope im not ruining the way u view things in said fashion.

everybody is going to interpret things differently, this is true but we are arguing with the films. one can say anything to back up their belief. discount this, acknowledge that. for example, the end of the matrix meant nothing, it never rebooted, it was just patched. lol the patch was the reboot!

u guys crack me up, u saw the change, u cant deny that it happened, i saw it, u saw it, everyone saw it. if that change didnt happen, i would agree with u that it is same version but it did happen, any change is a reboot at that point since there is no cleaning up the apocalypse.

ummm btw i am finished with this post, umm unless u have documented dialogue form the brothers that what i say is absolutley wrong. unfortunatley that is the genius of the matrix movies, it can be interpreted so many ways but in this way it cant. unless u close ur eyes in the last 2 minutes of the third film. u see it happen, and ur going to tell me im wrong and i didnt see what i saw. the problem here is interpretation.

ofcourse we going to interpret things differently, some people can see the image of jesus in a hotdog. but we all can agree we see a hotdog.

i saw that neo could see without actually having eyes and what he was seeing was in fact the enviroment he was walking thru. i ask the question "how is that even possible?" now this is when interpretations can get side tracked....

is it because he was connected to the source? i say that it is a strong possibility!

he did feel the source when he touched the sentinals, he seperated his mind form his body, all of those are facts!

hell, one can say he became the source!

ofcourse that is interpretation, and there are as many interpretations as there are people on the planet

what is the matrix? what is the source?

the matrix is our reality  the source is the thing that creates!

thats what i believe

 

Someone should tell him we're not in the Matrix either.

First of all, the old original Monolith website for MxO stated that the Real world wasn't in game because we were already "in the real world" and that the game was supposed to mimic jacking into the Matrix from hovercrafts and barges. So yes, we are on a hovercraft. Deal with it.

Second, the launcher clearly states "ZionOS v7.XXXXXXXX" somewhere near the top of the screen. Now, this means "Zion Operating System v7.XXXXXXXXX." That means the origin of the software lies within Zion. The last time I checked, Zion did not build the Matrix, the Machines did.

Can Rarebit please come settle this discussion please for those that are grasping at straws?




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I'd rather Rarebit didn't post here because he'll probably say it is v7 (in the face of all logic), along with the fact that the Matrix is no larger than the Mega City and it's always 1999. Although half of that is the Wachowskis being daft.

SMILEY




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Procurator wrote:

I'd rather Rarebit didn't post here because he'll probably say it is v7 (in the face of all logic), along with the fact that the Matrix is no larger than the Mega City and it's always 1999. Although half of that is the Wachowskis being daft.

SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />

Ignoring the 'No larger than Mega City' deal (always 1999 I can deal with) I'd say that even Rarebit must acquiesce to the fact that the launcher version number does not represent the version of the simulation. The Architect said that Neo didn't return to the source, ergo the measure of iterations made up by him indicates that this must inexorably be a patched version of V6 as the necessity of an emergence of the next anomaly has been removed. Concordantly.

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we all are aquainted with how religious lore iz embedded in the matrix movies....

further proof that this is seventh version....

and on the seventh day GOD ended his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.

genesis 2:2

if anyone has seen the origins of the matrix dvd included in the ultimate matrix collection box set, then u would know that all religious lore in the matrix films were done on purpose by the writers.

this version of the matrix has been without a neo since its inception 3 years ago.

the above lore can be interpreted at will regarding said problem of versions

if days were actually versions of simulations; it could make u go ........ whoa!

mmmm


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nexus2revolution wrote:

if days were actually versions of simulations; it could make u go ........ whoa!

mmmm

It doesn't.

And stop Mmm-ing its creepy.

Next, the Matrix is not Jeruselaum, the Oracle isn't mary, Neo isn't the baby jesus. Nor is Smith and his merry band of Agents those "Wisemen". Although that is an interesting vision of the nativity..



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nexus2revolution wrote:

we all are aquainted with how religious lore iz embedded in the matrix movies....

further proof that this is seventh version....

and on the seventh day GOD ended his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.

genesis 2:2

if anyone has seen the origins of the matrix dvd included in the ultimate matrix collection box set, then u would know that all religious lore in the matrix films were done on purpose by the writers.

this version of the matrix has been without a neo since its inception 3 years ago.

the above lore can be interpreted at will regarding said problem of versions

if days were actually versions of simulations; it could make u go ........ whoa!

mmmm

Pfft. Please. If anybody here knows about "religion and the Matrix" it's me. I used to go by "Yahweh" for crying out loud. Religion left the Matrix when Chadwick started writing it and subsequently handed it off to Rarebit.

Vis a vis, after the movies ended. Ergo, your argument fails.

Furthermore, there have been more than 6 matrices. This is the 6th iteration of the matrix in its current form. There were other, failed matrices as well (such as Ashencourte and the paradise matrices) that were before they even realized the need for the anomaly. So, if anything, this is probably somewhere around the 10th matrix.


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Vinia wrote:
Ignoring the 'No larger than Mega City' deal (always 1999 I can deal with) I'd say that even Rarebit must acquiesce to the fact that the launcher version number does not represent the version of the simulation. The Architect said that Neo didn't return to the source, ergo the measure of iterations made up by him indicates that this must inexorably be a patched version of V6 as the necessity of an emergence of the next anomaly has been removed. Concordantly.

Vis-à-vis?

Sorry, I mean... viz-à-viz?




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nexus2revolution wrote:
further proof that this is seventh version....

and on the seventh day GOD ended his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.

genesis 2:2

So you're trying to say that it must be V7 because the simulation is complete with no errors? Even Ghost said the simulation needs a reset.

Sorry, worst. proof. ever.

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Vis-à-vis?
I tried... I really did try to fit it in... but failed... SMILEY

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A commendable effort neverthelezz. SMILEY



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Shouldn't this have been moved to Matrix Universe and not Next Renaissance? Just sayin'.



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Vinia wrote:
Procurator wrote:

I'd rather Rarebit didn't post here because he'll probably say it is v7 (in the face of all logic), along with the fact that the Matrix is no larger than the Mega City and it's always 1999. Although half of that is the Wachowskis being daft.

SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />

Ignoring the 'No larger than Mega City' deal (always 1999 I can deal with) I'd say that even Rarebit must acquiesce to the fact that the launcher version number does not represent the version of the simulation. The Architect said that Neo didn't return to the source, ergo the measure of iterations made up by him indicates that this must inexorably be a patched version of V6 vis-à-vis the removal of the necessity of the next anomaly. Concordantly.

For the steal?



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lmao

umm yes, we are all roleplaying, including me, ummm i had no idea i was but i guess i am....

my bad, wont happen again


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Neoteny wrote:
Vinia wrote:
Ignoring the 'No larger than Mega City' deal (always 1999 I can deal with) I'd say that even Rarebit must acquiesce to the fact that the launcher version number does not represent the version of the simulation. The Architect said that Neo didn't return to the source, ergo the measure of iterations made up by him indicates that this must inexorably be a patched version of V6 vis-à-vis the removal of the necessity of the next anomaly. Concordantly.

For the steal?

Hmmm... that adjustment seems apropos...

Oh and Siren, the story doesn't change to suit. You are playing in a roleplaying game regardless if you want to roleplay or not. This means there are certain things you can't simply ignore, to make your argument fit.


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