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Ascendent Logic

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Ok, so we know that Seraph was a Seraphim, a form of Agents in the Paradise Matrix.  We also know that in the current version of the Matrix that Agents are human looking male and female dressed in white buttoned up shirt, with black tie (with a tie clip) and a black coat.  However, what about the "Hell" Matrix?  Who were the Agents there?  Personally I think the Twins used to be Agents of the "Hell" Matrix.  Mainly because in Reloaded, they spoke like Agents and their glasses are similar to the Agents of the current version of the Simulation. 



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just FYI, "standard" agents wear dark green, not black. The only "Agent" to wear black was Smith, and at that point he was no longer an Agent. To see what I mean, watch Reloaded again - the scene in the Burly Brawl where the azn chick drops the tomatos and spazzes into an Agent - Smith grabs his shoulder - note that their attire is coloured differently.  Apparently the green is meant to reflect the colour of the matrix code.


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Surfel wrote:
just FYI, "standard" agents wear dark green, not black. The only "Agent" to wear black was Smith, and at that point he was no longer an Agent. To see what I mean, watch Reloaded again - the scene in the Burly Brawl where the azn chick drops the tomatos and spazzes into an Agent - Smith grabs his shoulder - note that their attire is coloured differently.  Apparently the green is meant to reflect the colour of the matrix code.


The whole Matrix has the green tint.  I still say they wear black because Agent Gray wears black as does Agent Pace.  I think you're seeing green because the W. Brothers used a green tint.



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MetaLogic wrote:
Surfel wrote:
just FYI, "standard" agents wear dark green, not black. The only "Agent" to wear black was Smith, and at that point he was no longer an Agent. To see what I mean, watch Reloaded again - the scene in the Burly Brawl where the azn chick drops the tomatos and spazzes into an Agent - Smith grabs his shoulder - note that their attire is coloured differently.  Apparently the green is meant to reflect the colour of the matrix code.


The whole Matrix has the green tint.  I still say they wear black because Agent Gray wears black as does Agent Pace.  I think you're seeing green because the W. Brothers used a green tint.

No, I'm NOT "just seeing a green tint". If I was then both the Agent AND Smith would be wearing black. In any scene with an Agent and Smith you will see that the Agent is wearing dark green, and Smith is wearing black.

From the Wiki:

"His appearance has changed from the first movie as well; his sunglasses are of a different, more angular shape than the square ones the Agents wear and his suit is now black instead of dark green (Matrix code)"

The "angular" sunglasses are deliberately designed to mimic the shape of the protein capsules of certain viruses - a reference to Smith's status as a virus in the system. Normal agent sunglasses are rectangular.

Seriously. Instead of contradicting me, go and watch that scene. Watch it very carefully, preferably on a high-quality screen. Then come back and admit I was correct. It's alot easier than the alternative SMILEY




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Plus, Agent Pace and Agent Gray don't wear black, they wear very very very dark green.

 

But I like your idea that the Twins were agents from the war matrix.  The only thing would be that I find it hard to believe that any agent, be it past or present, would work directly for the Merovingian.




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Cervacius wrote:

Plus, Agent Pace and Agent Gray don't wear black, they wear very very very dark green.

 

But I like your idea that the Twins were agents from the war matrix.  The only thing would be that I find it hard to believe that any agent, be it past or present, would work directly for the Merovingian.


Seraph worked for the Merv before escaping and betraying him, that's why he's wingless.  I could see it if the Merv saved the Twins from deletion.



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Hmm, good point.  I overlooked that.



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Don't be a *CENSORED*.  The game isn't 100% accurate in view of the movies - obviously someone decided to change the colour scheme of the agents for whatever reason.

I still say that you need to go and pay attention to that particular scene in Revolutions. Side-by-side, the two colours are obviously different.


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Surfel wrote:
Don't be a *CENSORED*.  The game isn't 100% accurate in view of the movies - obviously someone decided to change the colour scheme of the agents for whatever reason.

I still say that you need to go and pay attention to that particular scene in Revolutions. Side-by-side, the two colours are obviously different.

No one cares about the subtle difference in Agent suit's color.  We're here to talk about whether or not the Twins were Agents of the 2nd version of the Matrix, the "Hell" version. 



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You people are forgetting about the "Commando" Agents, who came just before the "Suit" Agents we have now.



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As far as we are aware the only Agents the we know for definite are the Agents of the current and previous instances (including the Commando Agents who failed to prevent the current style Agents from coming into being) where the cycle was in effect and the Seraphim Agents. I find it hard to think of the Twins as former Agents but it's not impossible to imagine them enforcing the 'hell' instance.

Apart from the physical attributes of the Seraphim Agents (Angel wings) they still looked like the generic caucasion male. Now I agree that the 'hell' versions could look quite different, but I'd hope to see the 'hell' Agents being brought into the future storyline...


Message edited by Croesis on 01/07/2008 03:41:52.


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MetaLogic wrote:
Surfel wrote:
Don't be a *CENSORED*.  The game isn't 100% accurate in view of the movies - obviously someone decided to change the colour scheme of the agents for whatever reason.

I still say that you need to go and pay attention to that particular scene in Revolutions. Side-by-side, the two colours are obviously different.

No one cares about the subtle difference in Agent suit's color.  We're here to talk about whether or not the Twins were Agents of the 2nd version of the Matrix, the "Hell" version. 
No, the twins were ghosts in the version of the matrix designed around human misery and suffering. That version of the matrix had ghosts, vampires, werewolves, aliens, you name it, it was there. in fact, i heard that the "hell" agents were little grey man aliens.

Anyway yeah - persephone's quote of "they caused more problems than they solved" referenced the fact that in THAT version of the matrix, they were designed to maximise and perpetuate suffering, but because so many people didn't believe in supernatural things, the matrix became overrun with errors even faster than when people were rejecting perfection.


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Huh?  What's this about Commando Agents?  I remember OF them, but I don't remember them.



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Cervacius wrote:
Huh?  What's this about Commando Agents?  I remember OF them, but I don't remember them.

I think he means the guys in Pandora's Box Three, the ones who look like military commandos of some sort. The text of the special report doohickeys they drop even mention something about them getting attacked and/or deleted by the standard guys-in-suits Agents we're the most familiar with from the movies.

Now, if the Agents from the Paradise Matrix were angels, wouldn't it stand to reason that the Agents in the Hell Matrix that followed it might be demons of some sort, or is my passion for urban fantasy just getting the better of me?




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Architect: The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art - flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another - an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

1. Perfect Matrix
2. Historical Matrix
3. Historical Matrix built on choice

No mention of a "Hell" version of the Matrix in sight. (OMG MXO CONTRADICTION!!!11!1!1!!1!) But lets humor the idea that if there was one and that this"Hell" Matrix is actully one in the same as the "perfect" one. After all balance is needed so if there is a heaven their must be a hell. In fact it can be taken almost as far as explainging certain peoples strong convictions within the Matrix that their is a heaven and hell. Perhaps these people are subconsiously sliping their minds into these past constructs.


 
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