what iz the matrix?

Croesis

Because the Machines run the Simulation on a Microsoft Windows architecture? I didn't see the simulation crash, a crash would have killed all of the bluepills connected to it. The simulation was taken over but was cleaned. Or are you saying that after a virus has affected your computer, let alone a system created which isn't financed by Bill Gates (as far as we know), your computer has to reboot? My virus scan cleans the effected files and hardly ever asks for a reboot. The final scene showed the simulation returning to normal so the audience can see that Neo succeeded. How do you know what a simulation reboot looks like?

You evidence is based on your own interpretations, ignoring evidence such as Ghosts explanation for the Bathery Row spawns. The jack in program may be at version 7, that doesn't mean that the simulation is.

**Tseng.**

what is the matrix?

is the question that once drove us.

it is the world that was pulled over our eyes to blind us from the truth
that we were slaves born into a prison, for our minds.

**MetaLogic**

What is Matrix, baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more....

*flee*

nexus2revolution · 07/19/2008 05:41:02

the simulation crashed when smith took over every one....

imagine a virus that effects ur computer, turrns ur antivirus off and begins to rewrite every single program on ur hard drive so completely that u cant use anything anymore, pics, songs, every file in every folder.

now imagine that this virus has ai and when it is rewriting, its not just scambling things up, it is turning each file into itself.

ur screenshots become the virus

almost like a biological virus isnt it?

mmmm

now if this happened to a system, how exactly can this system clean things up when the virus has taken control of everything

the oracle, sati, seraph were programs, i did not see blue pills waking up as they did, im still trying to figure out how it was that the oracle and sati were able to wake up but not neo. all 3 suffered same fate. they were programs i suppose, neo was human. come to think of it, i dont see any humans waking up as the oracle did.

they were all destroyed?

mmmm

i dont know, maybe it is a slow process to upload the humans back into the sim

**Archangel**

MetaLogic wrote:

What is Matrix, baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more....

*flee*

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9L3uE3xK...feature=related

Actually, the blues still have recollections of what happened when Smith took over. It wasn't completely erased. Read the very first Sentinel from live. I think that's the one anyways.

**Denary**

nexus2revolution wrote:

those of u who still believe that this is still version 6
i would like to indicate the following exhibits as evidence.
the matix in the film was completely taken over by smith, every man, woman and child was smith, programs and blue pills alike. i think it is underestimated just how catastorphic this was to the simulation. 2 things, firstly it's been said before that bluepills have recollections of certain events during the time they were taken over suggesting that their memory wasn't wiped. Secondly, you have no way of knowing how catastrophic that event was.
the oracle even mentioned that smith would not stop there, so neo manned up and did what he had to do
now how exactly do u erase what happened to those poor blue pills without rebooting the sim? they are scarred for life! lol even if u do a rollback of windows, ur puter has to reboot.
Again as it's been explained some people do have recollections. Secondly I don't think that any system Microsoft bring into existence even compares with the Matrix. To accomplish a simulation of that proportions in modern day society is literally impossible.

thats how programs work. u get a serious enough virus in ur system, ur sytems crashes, u cannot bring the system back without a reboot.
If the system crashes, every bluepill connected to it dies. End of Human race = End of Machine race therefore its safe to assume that the Matrix has some pretty clever safety subroutines to prevent that.
to indicate further that a different version was booted up is that there is no more green tint
The Architect went into options -> Advanced and deselected Green tint option box was all

other evidence includes
the patch notes
when this game went live, it has always been v7.****
and yes, i believe it is like that for a reason
matrix version 6 was the movies
matrix version 7 is the one that u can play
makes sense to me, in a most poetic matrix style; doesnt it?
not really? It's a bleeding game launcher for gods sake.
a lot of things are poetic in the matrix, a lot of things are interpreted differently
like how in the first movie, the film begins and ends in the same room
its mind boggling but cool as a piece of ice.
we all are going to interpret the movies differently, i cant dismiss the changes i saw at the end of the third film as just eye candy, it meant something very profound was happening. it was a reboot! how can u say it wasnt, in the films, every single frame has meaning so why even show the change if it wasnt intended to make people believe that the simulation was rebooting since nothing like those effect were ever shown in the previous films before it.
mmmm
Since when in the matrix films did it ever show a reboot? and Profound? I'm sorry, in the first film when Neo stopped the bullets, that was profound. When Neo exited the source and saved Trinity against all odds, that was profound. A little bit of green tint, a cat repeating itself (which for the record happened in the first film when they "ALTERED" something) and Sati waking up doesn't suggest to me anything remotely profound.
Hmmmm!?!?!

nexus2revolution · 07/19/2008 05:41:27

the last shot of matrix revolution was completely different than it was 6 minutes earlier and also different than than the one in the previous film.

that impression never entered into ur mind when u was watching it?

the last shot of the last film was in fact a very realistic shot of mxo!

mxo is not the same version as the films.

there are a lot of differences but before i share some with u, according to what the architect says, there were five versions prior. it gets real complicated now. its all about the choice that neo makes to pik 23 individuals to rebuild zion. (representive of the 23 genes in human dna)

examples that prove that mxo is not the same matrix that we see in reloaded

those who want to leave can

there are hardlines everywhere

no cops

the patch notes is undeniable proof and cannot be dismissed

but im not trying to argue, i just would like to have a discussion about mxo, i am really enjoying this and it makes me feel good to know that this post has become a wonderful discussion.

what happens now?

obviously they will be freed

i have ur word?

what do u think i am....human?

Zudrag

nexus2revolution wrote:

what happens now?

Just wait and see.

**Denary**

nexus2revolution wrote:

the last shot of matrix revolution was completely different than it was 6 minutes earlier and also different than than the one in the previous film.
that impression never entered into ur mind when u was watching it?
the last shot of the last film was in fact a very realistic shot of mxo?
mxo is not the same version as the films.
there are a lot of differences but before i share some with u, according to what the architect says, there were five versions prior. it gets real complicated now. its all about the choice that neo makes to pik 23 individuals to rebuild zion. (representive of the 23 genes in human dna)
examples that prove that mxo is not the same matrix that we see in reloaded
those who want to leave can
This is because of the truce between the Humans and the Machines forged by Neo. Not as a result of a new Matrix. Only 0.1% of bluepills can awaken still it's just that Agents attempted to prevent us from awakening them.
there are hardlines everywhere
It's a function of the game, It is not exactly RP related.
no cops
Fist of all, Tactical security. Second, why does this have any relevance to the discussion.
the patch notes is undeniable proof and cannot be dismissed
Explanation? A statement is hardly likely to sway me.
but im not trying to argue, i just would like to have a discussion about mxo, i am really enjoying this and it makes me feel good to know that this post has become a wonderful discussion.
what happens now?
obviously they will be freed
i have ur word?
what do u think i am....human?

If you're going to quote something from a movie, it's good to put it in " " and actually write it out properly.

**ArchDuke** · 07/08/2008 12:05:26

Taken from the Neo / Architect transcript:

"The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version."

Now, does that include the Heaven & Hell versions of the Matrix? It looks like it doesn't, since there was no "one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next (a.k.a The One)". And that brings us to the question that since Neo never went to the Source and inserted his code into the prime program, did the Matrix itself get restarted? If so, then we're in the 9th Matrix (Heaven + Hell + 6 Matricies + MxO), if not we're in the 8th still. It could be argued that Neo just restabilized the 8th matrix and never really rebooted it. I think that is the case since we still have Neo's RSI and the Smith Virus.

**Grace of Darkness**

If this is version seven then the matrix rebooted in the 3rd movie, of course if it rebooted in the third movie and your counting every reboot then you would have to count beta as the seventh version an since beta had a reboot that would tecnically make this version 8.

Though if you are saying that this is currently version 6 then the matrix did not reboot it just made a scan of an abnormalities and deleted them, restoring balance to the system.

of course if this IS version seven then there was a reboot but we're negating the fact that beta even happened. Yet since the anomally program wasn't reset that means it still lies in the carriers body and explains why smith returns over and over.

Then again if you wanted to get REALLY technical this is like the 30 or 40ish version or the matrix due to all the server resets we've done everytime there was too much lag/in-game issues/updates/patches ect.

It's even possible that ppl don't care about such insignificant little things and would like to look at the broader picture like Character development instead of - Is the one coming back?, Which version is this?, Why doesn't MxO look like the matrix films, Why does SOE suck at life, will there be pudding? What happened to Y2K, Why is Bush still in office?

**Trayden**

Alright, I had to reply as this would even make Neo /facepalm .

Not sure how long you've been playing, but go to the Zion, Merovingian and Machine archives brokers and buy all the missions for epoisode 1.1 - 1.3. This will give you insight on the beginning of MXO and the end of Revolutions.

As other have stated, the smith virus is still around inside various blues. Your character as well. Also this gives credence to the recent rise in gang activity (explaining the mob NPCs and a more hostile matrix). Also look up info on the very FIRST live event called Race to find The One. The idea behind this was to collect Neo's essence that was still in the Matrix in the form of code fragments. There were recent events where Smith had somehow returned in some form or another as well.

One more piece of evidence the Architect even said in a Live Event that the prime program was NOT reinserted to reboot the matrix.

**Procurator**

The launcher means nothing. For one thing, why would the hovercraft operating system's version number correspond to that of the Matrix? Secondly, until Neo had a chat with the Architect, no one in Zion knew there were previous versions of the Matrix - where would they have known to start their version numbers at 6?

To reset the Matrix (properly, with a new version number an' all), the One must enter the Source. Neo didn't do that, so the Matrix never got a chance to be fully reset. As a result of this we've seen stability issues ever since the Smith incident, the recurring Smiths being a prime example.

And the Smith virus never got so far into the System that the Machines weren't able to run their virus scan, if we're continuing with that analogy. He threatened the invade the Machine world, but didn't actually get there. So there was always an outside observer (the Architect maybe, or Deus Ex Machina or whoever) that wasn't infected and could perform the clean-up we saw at the end of Revolutions.

**GamiSB**

By that logic OP then we were all in v.5 when the game went live. OMG PLOT HOLE!

*waits for merpheus to us his great katana attack*

nexus2revolution · 07/09/2008 05:44:55

the launcher means nothing....

the launcher is not re written software written by hackers inside zion. it is written by soe. soe is responsible for any new patches to the software, soe.

if the patch notes were version v.3.**** or v.18.**** or v.120.**** i would think u are absolutely right.

i dont believe in conincidences.

something to think about.

something very different was happening. we are talking about insertion of the anomaly back into the source will reboot the matrix. mmmm, something is weird about that because isnt smith neo's opposite? is he not the anamoly too? the ying to his yang sort of speaking.

did the architect know about smith?

or was smith a very new disaster that was occuring for the first time?

i dont know, i think that it is possible that smith is just as much the one as neo was. its all balanced, ummm i havent heard compelling evidences from anyone saying that this is still version 6, it is still same matrix . i am more inclined to believe what i saw

i saw neo go to machine city, i saw neo talk to the machine with the baby face : ) and i saw a machine jack go into the back of neo's head.

because of this, neo is connected to the matrix via a hardline, a machine city hardline. ummm can anyone say the word SOURCE! while coughing.

: P

i think that because the operator is a machine, if the jack doesnt come out, who will take it out? u going to be inside the matrix for a lonnnng time

oh i remember what the architect said.

how do we know neo didnt go back to source after the neo/smith fight?

umm hehehehe this whole coversation has been awesome, u guys are very convincing, ummm btw, what the heck is marias saying with all the 1's and 0's? i think it is a trick so im not going to decode anything.