Illyria22 wrote:

Roukan wrote:

Why do I see Vinia and Illyria in almost every Zion-esque Live Event post?))

Because I, um, participated in this battle? 

Good fight, everyone. 

Illyria

((No no. I meant in like.. every single thread that would provide some incentive to cause pointless arguments. Like Halborne's waistline and stuff.))

I just wish to thanks our Zion and EPN fellow's for saving Lock and it feels good to see the Cypherite's and the Mech's bite the dust.

GF

MindsweepX

Actually, you made a point that I was holding in reserve. Had we not discovered new Zion when we did, they'd have almost definitely retrieved all of their provisions, equipment and personel before your bosses decided to make a move. How nice would it have been for them to be fully fortified at around the time of Halborn's arrival when the Machines pulled all of their resources back to their city? And can you please remind me again who the Machines went to and asked to coordinate a strike against Old Zion with? While we're on the topic, what exactly have people like you managed to accompolish?

This is pretty pathetic. Before the war, we operated much the same as we do now while you were leashed and muzzled, merely a barking dog with no bite.. Now that the war's going on, little has changed. We do what we do, you've been unleashed and are now sans muzzle, and you sat down and kept up the barking but you still don't bite. I'm just glad that not all Machinists share your views.

You have done no one a service by discovering it.

Procurator wrote:

You have done no one a service by discovering it.

Apart from themselves of course...

Vinia wrote:

Procurator wrote:

You have done no one a service by discovering it.

Apart from themselves of course...

Complete denial with a side order of overly prideful.

Erythnul wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Procurator wrote:

You have done no one a service by discovering it.

Apart from themselves of course...

Complete denial with a side order of overly prideful.

Well how about you tell us the good that's come from it?

Can't. You all are too "efficient" beyond measure to even bother trying to hold a sincere conversation with. I'd rather talk to an automated service. I'd get more out of it than just your obviously expected, "You have done nothing for our organization. You have no purpose. Blah blah blah."

We can argue until the *poop* really hits the fan, but what does it all come down to, really, between our ways?

Can't. You all are too "efficient" beyond measure to even bother trying to hold a sincere conversation with. I'd rather talk to an automated service. I'd get more out of it than just your obviously expected, "You have done nothing for our organization. You have no purpose. Blah blah blah."

We can argue until the *poop* really hits the fan, but what does it all come down to, really, between our ways?

Ah-hahahah! You're a little late to all this, aren't you? I've covered it a thousand times before.

Although I think you missed the point I made about New Zion: its discovery did nothing but make everyone's lives a misery. Now we're at war, a war which several Machinists find to be a waste, and which is doing nothing to improve the future for anyone.

What would have happened if you hadn't found it? Nothing worth bothering with. Zion would have moved in its entirety to New Zion and then... what? Again, nothing. They'd be holed up in their little bomb shelter unable to do jack. The technicalities of the Truce aside, I don't see any reason for Zion to not have a cute little fortified base, especially if they can't do anything against the Machines from it. I'll freely admit I think the Machines overreacted to New Zion's existence. You have done no one a service by discovering it.

The strike against Old Zion? Yeah, that was a really critical move, wasn't it? Pfft. It still puzzles me why the Machines bothered to tear it down at all. Probably just having a bad day and wanted to wreck something. So they sent you lot to do it instead of the Machinists who were allowed to get on with their jobs. And if the Machines were that intent on destroying Old Zion, if they saw it as a truly critical goal, they'd have just done it entirely by themselves by sending swarms of Sentinels at it like usual. They didn't need you.

And now you're going to question my worth? Heh. If you want to know what people like me have achieved, at least do me the courtesy of reading my public profile. Here, I'll make it easy for you: http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...e.m?user_id=634

As for your last paragraph... oh, that one's too sweet. First of all, we were not muzzled and leashed during the Truce. I mean, muzzled against what exactly? Oh yeah, naturally we really wanted to get out of the shackles of our employment and go kill Zionites.  Are you whacked? We were at peace, or on the smooth road to achieving it properly! And we were loving it. You were the ones running about ruining it for everyone, along with EPN.

And now, the difference between us is clear. You've got your war and you love it; finally a chance to really kill more Redpills! And us? No, we'd rather not, thank you. The more militarisitic among us will follow orders during this war as and when they come down, and the rest of us will try to avoid combat whenever possible. Who's the better human being?

So you wrote a virus which allowed your handlers to find the location of some rogue sentinels in the Real huh? That's somewhat impressive, I'll give you that. As for the rest of it, I had my doubts that you'd let common sense get in your way sooooo one last time here before I depart and allow you to have the last, though futile, word which is pretty much all your type is good for.

So it was our discovery of New Zion that made everyone's life a misery? You actually having the balls to make such an idiotic statement is kind of puzzling so let me ask you a question here. You do realize that one of the main factors leading up to war is a strategic defensive build up don't you? No really, go check it out and ummm I find it awfully difficult to believe that even you wouldn't know this already. So you should probably adjust that little statement of yours by saying that Zion building New Zion made everyone's life a misery. And if you really find the war to be that much of a waste then you could always sit on the sidelines and complain. Oh wait...

So now you say they're holed up in their little bomb shelter, but they are able to "do jack". They operate pretty much exactly the way they did before moving except now they don't have to much fear the Machines entering their city. It's already well known that they were awakening more than what they were supposed to which was breaking the truce. It's also pretty obvious that this new city wasn't beuilt in a matter of weeks. Safe to say that construction on it started before the ink on the truce dried. I'm sure their sneaking around and building an entire, heavily fortified city while not mentioning it was just an oversight. Anyway, now they're down there, roam around as they please in the simulation and if they decide to mount any kind of an assault, you won't be able to "do jack". See you're ignoring a few facts that I previously pointed out so let's move on to them shall we?

The strike against Old Zion wasn't important? I wasn't even giving you credit for being that ignorant and believe me, I was giving you a hell of a lot of credit. So let's just allow people who've secretly been building the previously mentioned city awakening far more than they were supposed to and who knows what else to just pack up everyone and everything and move on. Absolutely brilliant. While we're at it, why don't we offer to help them move too? Maybe ask them if they have enough EMP's or if they feel they need to awaken another 10,000 to make sure they have enough to do whatever it is they might have in mind for the buildup they've already done. Do you really actually think about this stuff before you say it? I mean with Machinists like you, who needs Zionites? As for not needing us for the assault, remember that little virus you're so proud of and what it did? Remember the losses your handlers took at Stalingrad? They needed us so they didn't have to commit all of their sentinels to the attack and possibly leave the Machine City defensless. You're probably a little too short sighted to have been able to figure that out on your own so glad I could help.

My previously last paragraph, yeah it was pretty sweet. Yes, you were muzzled and leashed. You weren't really allowed to act against Zion when they were breaking guidelines of the truce for one. That much should have been painfully obvious. Oh and allow me, I'm just a murderous bastard, blah blah.......I've heard it before. Think what you want but the whole point of a truce is to operate under set guidelines. One of the reasons your bosses allowed us to operate was that we weren't part of the truce. Another is because we are effective and pretty good at what we do. Again, that's why they call us instead of little lap dogs most of the time. And you talk about laughing at something, "We were at peace", one of the best I've heard! See the above points I've made building said heavily fortified city and also awakening as many as possible to increase their numbers. Both of those are extraordinary exmples of peaceful intentions...

Now enjoy having your last word.

It's been duly noted, Procurator.  You don't like us and we couldn't care less about you or your band of peace-loving soldiers for human morality.  Rest assured, however, we want you to continue your quest for a "higher cause".  For all the tasks you question, for all the dreamers you allow to be awakened, our reason to be here will only grow stronger.

So I suppose "thanks" are in order.  Keep those hands clean so that we may continue to dirty ours!

Hmm, Proc, you know you're in the minority amongst your fellow Machinists in feeling the way you do towards the Podhuggers? I'd say, oh . . . 95% of all Machinists would side with Cypherites just because it's a chance to fight Zion/EPN/Mervs. The holier-than-thou horse you're riding on is not as high as you might think, pal.

And I have to wonder just what the hell Veil was thinking sending the Cyphs into this fight. A full on frontal assault? Sneak attack, maybe. Suicide mission, possibly. But to go into ship-to-ship combat against battle-hardened ship captains and veterans? That's just insane! Why the hell do you people listen to her? *CENSORED*, I wouldn't follow Cryptos if it meant my life, but hell, I wouldn't follow Veil even to the bathroom for crying out loud! You people better wake up before that psychotic *CENSORED* gets you all killed.