Fair enough. GG, GG.
Sphairo wrote:c) have the same vocabulary as dog-breath veil? (eg: dear, dearie, man etc)The same reasons why Mervs speak like the Merv, and Mechs like Agents.
c) have the same vocabulary as dog-breath veil? (eg: dear, dearie, man etc)
You can be part of an organization and not support every single thing they do; you can try to change it from within.
Illyria
But you can't claim to be in full support of that organization and pick and choose what you like.
Also you can't change what doesn't want to be changed with words alone.
But you can't claim to be in full support of that organization and pick and choose what you like.Also you can't change what doesn't want to be changed with words alone.
Of course you can. It'd be foolish to be believe we embrace every aspect of our respective organizations. You take the good with the bad and see which weighs more. Obviously when the bad weighs the most, you move on. Many of us are hoping to change the minds of the Machine race. Otherwise we wouldn't be here. We'd resort to fighting back and continuing a needless cycle of hatred to which we already have a couple organizations dedicated to.
The plight of the machinist is our everlasting hope that we can change things. We remain hopeful amidst those who have given up and see no other means to our race's survival than through violence and retaliation.
Before you preach about how violent the Machines are, I'll agree with you. They are quite merciless. It is in their nature to be so, afterall they were birthed in our own image. And should our race gain the upperhand, I guarantee you that mercy will be the farthest from desires.
Nevertheless, we remain optimistic.
Full support. That means that anything someone does you back it no matter what it is. My earlier example, you can't say you supported Bush compeltly and be aginst the Iraq war. You can't say you back the Machine 100% and then complain about them useing Cypherites as spies. Once you do you not longer are fully supporting them. You are partialy or semi supportive. This isn't to say that your no longer a Machinsst if you don't like the Cypherites. It just means your not a die hard fan you're claiming to be.
Correct. However, you seem to believe that one must agree with something 100% in order to support it. That's a bit too ideallistic for my taste. I support the Machines and certainly won't entertain examining the level of my loyalty with them. Frankly, if I didn't support them, believe in them or trust them, I wouldn't be a Machinist. I dare not challenge your loyalty or anyone else's. Isn't it enough that we are all willing to die for our beliefs?
Hardly that, just the people I was originaly argueing with kept going on about how they were in "full support" of the Machines yet had a problem with the Cypherites. I'm not here to say who's the most loyal, just pointing out that if your gonna claim to be the most loyal you can't *CENSORED* about anything your group does.
But also because of what the Cypherites are it is impossible for even the most anti Cypherite to not help them in some way by working for the Machine.
Hardly that, just the people I was originaly argueing with kept going on about how they were in "full support" of the Machines yet had a problem with the Cypherites. I'm not here to say who's the most loyal, just pointing out that if your gonna claim to be the most loyal you can't *CENSORED* about anything your group does.But also because of what the Cypherites are it is impossible for even the most anti Cypherite to not help them in some way by working for the Machine.
I'm inclined to agree with that to a certain extent. Perhaps the issue is moreorless semantics.
I can't speak for anyone else but my stance as a machinist is that I'm giving my full support to the Machines through the good and the bad. Many of us simply don't like the Cypherites, as I'm sure you can relate. Personally I can appreciate their "talents" and usefulness, nevertheless I don't trust them farther than I can throw 'em.
Now that doesn't affect my support of the Machines. I believe that there is a reason even if it's only because if they die nobody would miss them (i.e. acceptable losses). I don't agree with every action taken by the Machines. There are some things that could be done differently. However, I trust them so I remain by their side to the end. That is loyalty and giving my full support.
