If he had it, he would've ended up dead as they acted to retrieve it.

If not, I'm sure they would've done away with him as well.

His only chance for survival was to be picked up by a Zion or EPN ship, but the Machines made sure that was impossible.

Ah I see. Of course you know this for certain, or as certain as anyone who doesn't actually have a clue about what would actually happen.

Your statement is either full of ignorance or a feeble attempt at propaganda. If it comes down to it, any attempt at Zion and Machines working together to tackle the problem of Wright will inevitably encounter barriers in the form of people like you.

Again, just because you couldn't access the pods does not mean his death was certain.

Neoteny wrote:

If he had it, he would've ended up dead as they acted to retrieve it.

If not, I'm sure they would've done away with him as well.

His only chance for survival was to be picked up by a Zion or EPN ship, but the Machines made sure that was impossible.

Ah I see. Of course you know this for certain, or as certain as anyone who doesn't actually have a clue about what would actually happen.

Your statement is either full of ignorance or a feeble attempt at propaganda. If it comes down to it, any attempt at Zion and Machines working together to tackle the problem of Wright will inevitably encounter barriers in the form of people like you.

Again, just because you couldn't access the pods does not mean his death was certain.

We're all still here, and we were poddies. 

Illyria

Neoteny wrote:

If he had it, he would've ended up dead as they acted to retrieve it.

If not, I'm sure they would've done away with him as well.

His only chance for survival was to be picked up by a Zion or EPN ship, but the Machines made sure that was impossible.

Ah I see. Of course you know this for certain, or as certain as anyone who doesn't actually have a clue about what would actually happen.

Your statement is either full of ignorance or a feeble attempt at propaganda. If it comes down to it, any attempt at Zion and Machines working together to tackle the problem of Wright will inevitably encounter barriers in the form of people like you.

Again, just because you couldn't access the pods does not mean his death was certain.

First of all, a Machinist making implications of alluded-to spin, or propaganda, is laughable. Secondly, there is an established history of the Machines discarding bluepills after they have served their deemed use. While you've established you disagreed with their acts previously, there's no denying there is basis to believe they would have certainly done the same again with Daryl Chester.

shinpseudo wrote:

First of all, a Machinist making implications of alluded-to spin, or propaganda, is laughable. Secondly, there is an established history of the Machines discarding bluepills after they have served their deemed use. While you've established you disagreed with their acts previously, there's no denying there is basis to believe they would have certainly done the same again with Daryl Chester.

Assuming that he would survive the extraction process and assuming the program could be removed from him. Thats a lot of assumptions and while there has indeed been occasions where Bluepills were deemed expendable by the Machines themselves, the situation is completely different. First and formost he'd be a redpill, second he was carrying the program that they want so would be in their interest to keep him alive and lastly, Machinists like myself would make every effort to make sure he wasn't summarily killed after the Machines had achieved what they wanted to achieve. So while there is a small basis, it's significantly overridden by the current situation.

First off the assumption is that he would die during extraction. There are only two common causes of death when extracting bluepills. Heart attack (which can be avoided if the redpill trace program locates the pod quick enough) and drowning if the ship is unable to catch them after the go down the water slide.

Second you employers had in their custody a bluepill that they believed to have the BIP and were attempting to extract it from her up until Wright crashed the party. Obviously the program can be removed from bluepills (Although why on earth Wright or EPN thought that the BIP was on Chester is beyond me since its host's ID has already been revealed.)

The point is the up-ed security around the pods wasn't helping the situation any.

Assuming that he would survive the extraction process and assuming the program could be removed from him. Thats a lot of assumptions and while there has indeed been occasions where Bluepills were deemed expendable by the Machines themselves, the situation is completely different. First and formost he'd be a redpill, second he was carrying the program that they want so would be in their interest to keep him alive and lastly, Machinists like myself would make every effort to make sure he wasn't summarily killed after the Machines had achieved what they wanted to achieve. So while there is a small basis, it's significantly overridden by the current situation.

Let's see...possible death during extraction...versus almost-certain death at the hands of Wright...

Does 'every effort' not include disengaging him from his pod? Because there sure weren't any Sentinels trying to pull him free before Wright got to him.

Your Monday-morning quarterbacking skills astound me.

Let's see...possible death during extraction...versus almost-certain death at the hands of Wright...

Does 'every effort' not include disengaging him from his pod? Because there sure weren't any Sentinels trying to pull him free before Wright got to him.

Your Monday-morning quarterbacking skills astound me.

ShiXinFeng wrote:

Let's see...possible death during extraction...versus almost-certain death at the hands of Wright...

Does 'every effort' not include disengaging him from his pod? Because there sure weren't any Sentinels trying to pull him free before Wright got to him.

Your Monday-morning quarterbacking skills astound me.

Lets see... considering that Machinists are not in control of the pod system and are very probably about as welcome there as EPN, considering that Sentinels aren't designed for safe extraction of blue/redpills. I believe that when I said Machinists like me would make 'every effort' to ensure the man's safety after an extraction, I pretty much covered what we could do.

I should have known that it would never have occured to you to ask your metal masters' permission to go in and retrieve him yourself.

First off the assumption is that he would die during extraction. There are only two common causes of death when extracting bluepills. Heart attack (which can be avoided if the redpill trace program locates the pod quick enough) and drowning if the ship is unable to catch them after the go down the water slide.

GamiSB wrote:

First off the assumption is that he would die during extraction. There are only two common causes of death when extracting bluepills. Heart attack (which can be avoided if the redpill trace program locates the pod quick enough) and drowning if the ship is unable to catch them after the go down the water slide.

That's with bluepills who question their reality. The minds that don't question it are far more dependant on the simulation, ripping them for their world could have far more drastic results. I believe that's one of the firsts lessons we all get taught.

No, it was that they wouldn't handle the sudden change in reality as well as those questioning and could potenially fight to remain within the simulation. Death during extraction because of how they will handle it has never once been a concern. Three years of witnessing forced awakenings via Code Bombs, Goo crying hockey players, and a blood red sky have proven that much.

It is such a shame Daryl died.  He didn't deserve this fate.  The free-caring, book-loving, bushy afro'd bluepill was young, innocent, and naive.   

The Machines wouldn't allow him to be awakened because that is against their rules.  They knew we would try so they put sentinals around his pod so that if he did wake up, they would take him out.  They would rather a bluepill die than to allow another human be added to the Zion army.

The Machines are powerless to Wright. She is doing whatever she wants and showing that Machines do not have as much control and power as they say they do.  How many more humans have to die before the Machines figure a way to remove her and her kind from the Matrix?  It feels like the are not even trying.  It feels like they are just jumping out of her way and letting her do whatever she wants.  It feels that way because she roams the Matrix freely and doesn't run into opposition except from us.

Thank you Machine Operatives for responding and attacking Danielle.  Delaying her allowed us to protect Daryl and move him around while we tried to come up with a plan.  Even though we were just prolonging his death, we at least tried everything possible to protect him and I think we did a heck of a job!

 They would rather a bluepill die than to allow another human be added to the Zion army.

And you have trouble understanding this...why?  Why would they let their enemy increase their forces?

Illyria