Ah thanks

Meh...guess it didn't post...

Great, great work!  I have been inspired by MxO to jump into modeling myself.  I am still learning.  I'd post one of my works in progress here but I started with what many have said I shouldn't...the human body.  It's looking great so far but at this point I guess it'd be considered inappropriate for these forums.

When I first jumped into 3Ds Max I figured the modeling part would be the most difficult.  I was wrong haha!  For me so far its been texturing.  Envelopes and what not for animation seem to be a future challenge I'll have to tackle as well.  Great stuff here though and I'll post anything I think would be okay for here.

Here's one of me just tinkering and self learning as I go...I've since deleted this one and will likely start over sometime when I have a better idea of how to go about the construction.

We should all figure out a new game to play and during our last days we all hang out in Uriah handing out the bluepills to new subscribers lol!

At this point, the message is loud and clear.

Warner Bros., 'Lets make an MMORPG based on the Matrix!'

Warner Bros., 'Cool!  We're gonna need some rules though...'

Rule number 1:  You do not talk about the Matrix Online.

Rule number 2:  You DO NOT TALK about the Matrix Online.

Warner Bros., 'No marketing campaign, the millions of people that enjoyed the films will have to hax the internets to find out about our product not unlike Trinity haxing the IRS Database in the first film!  We will make a pile o' money!'

Things don't always go according to plan...too true.  Without Rarebit or myself going into detail I think I have a pretty good idea what has led Rarebit to his decision.  I respect his decision and understand it.  It should be noted that Rarebit is no "small game designer" as he refers to himself.  Never shortchange yourself Rarebit, ever, not after everything you've thrown at us, whether we liked it or not, with such limited resources.  I only hope and pray your future path is not riddled with the hurdles mine has been.  Thank you, good luck and Godspeed!

Throughout all the transitions the Matrix has endured, I always knew what I needed to do.  I always knew what my path was.  Now, I do not know what to do.  Will I realize my goals?  Will I make it to the end of the path before me?  Or will it just be a memory of what I intended?  I don't know...

Athena, I love you.

This is also the reason millions don't even know this game exists...could a JPEG of new content not be put on the official sites front page where the anniversary event JPEG sits eternally?

I have to disagree with the statement about there being no reason to bring this back because it serves no purpose other than looking cool.  IMO everything you see in anything Matrix related is there becase it looks cool, be it the films, Animatrix or any of the games related to the frachise.  After the coolness aspect comes the purpose/reason, like dodging ranged fire for example.

I'm up for bringing the roll back and other animations that were taken out.  Why you ask?  Because they're cool!  I'm still praying for multi-fighting's return...because it was super cool!  Put a set amount of people/NPC's in interlock at one time that cannot be passed.  Time wise it doesnt seem any different to me right now when you run into a room full of NPC's and have to take them out one at a time individually except, coolness factor is gone.  Put an accuracy penalty on anyone firing into multi-fight simply because there are multiple combatants and the chance of hitting friendlies is high.

Sorry for sorta going off topic there but yeah, bring back the rolls  

I smell a conspiracy...still not working for me and I have ZERO interest in the Station Launcher...

I'm having this issue as well...

I've seen the odd post around the official forums from Phluff and I always thought the PH thing was so cute haha!  You my dear are now my personal hero and I am going to get to work on a faction logo for Exemplar Triune to get us on there as well

The focus of this thread is what went down as opposed to who was present isn't it?  On that assumption I'll just say that when I found out about this I felt some serious deja vu and it was welcome!  Things like this happened in this manner back in the "old days".  Random appearances of main characters as needed and eventually a LE with everyone being in the know.  Where's the problem? 

A RP response to what happend by the lucky party on DN1, where's the problem?  Other than taking what was said the wrong way, where's the problem?

I admit to a speck of jealousy concerning main character meetings in game towards the lucky parties but never anger and I never really voice it (until now anyway).  I get over it pretty quick.  I'm happy this went down and happy for the Brethren to have been present.  That is usually how I end up feeling about something that went down that I or my faction was not able to attend.  The only time I stay negative about something like this is when a new player is present and has no clue who he or she is talking to or what in God's name is going on!  However, I still find the humor in that haha!

Of all the times I have run through access keys, hardlines and access nodes with operatives of all org's it could have easily been me in Mannsdale that day.  Now maybe everyone can focus on what happened and investigate the findings to yield some answers...or more questions as that is usually what happens in the old Matrix

I'm not saying we need a new construct right now it just seems appropriate to point out the Sculptress and her business with the Landlord downtown concerning a construct for her. Might make the process of thinking one up somewhat less time consuming if/whenever a new construct is in the works.

I think she'd have a museum like large building full of artwork, especially statues. Maybe she doesn't want a construct outside the Matrix proper too, I don't know. Maybe she wants a building put up in the matrix proper. Either way, using this character/story angle can limit creative thinking time to an extent.

At this point I am personally just tired of the whole Intruder/Wireframed peeps/BIP chapter...period.

During the missions for the Sculptress you eventually have to pass information between the Sculptress and the Landlord.  It appears the Sculptress wants permission to build her own construct/hideaway.

Need I say more?

P.S.  This is just in case a new construct is ever a possiblility down the road.  Put lots of statues and stuff like that in it, after all, it is the Sculptress' construct.

To one of the earlier posts that don't look at 1999.

I think it goes without saying that the fight scene in the chateau is there for a large wicked cool action scene.  As to why Neo didn't send the bullets back to the exiles firing at him...I think Neo was giving everyone in the room an example of his power and a choice:  Follow orders and stay or disobey and leave with your lives.

I highly doubt that Zion is the only remaining pocket of humanity left on the planet.  That's all I'm gonna say!

Great video, now if someone could do it with a slightly more serious tone to complement this one!

Maybe manipulation is the wrong word to use, I don't know of a better one off the top of my head at the moment.  Disinformation maybe?  Anyway when I talk about manipulation I mean post B166ER's actions and trial.  Everything after that between man and machine started to get heated up, I'm sure we all agree on that. 

I firmly believe that everything the machines knew pre-war was taught to them by humaity.  Take your computer as an example, art mimics life.  Your computer and all its parts are assembled and when electricity is introduced it functions.  However, it has very little purpose or function until it is given a soul.  By that I mean an operating system and any other software installed into its memory.  That memory or software is created by humans and installed initially.  In the story this is not closely explored likely because it would be boring and the writers imagine viewers can figure this out for themselves.  At some point man (I'm speculating here) made the machines fully unmanned but not before building a CPU (Dues Ex Machina maybe?) not unlike Skynet of the Terminator series to control and build and operate.  At some point, machines aquired free will.  This appears to be with B166ER's actions as it is noted as being the first of his kind.  Soon after many other machines followed suit learning from B166ER.  They likely also learned from the observation of their creator, humanity.  I am also sure that each machine built would have a learning CPU installed during the manufacturing process.  I also believe that some things however large or small may not be pre-programmed into the machine during production and therefore said things would need to be taught to the machine hence the learning CPU.

Now take children.  Where do they learn to tie their shoes, spell their names, read a book etc?  Parents or parental figures.  They also get a taste of love but our parents cannot teach a boy about the love of a woman or a girl the love of a man.  They have to learn that lesson on their own.

My basic point is that humanity is at the core of all machine kowledge.  We are their parent, their creator, their God.  And boy did we mess up big time.  They are not a hateful being in my opinion.  They are beings that require humanity to feed them not just for energy but with information about anything a person can or cannot imagine.  Because they themselves simply do not know.  So they use science and technology and they observe us in a controlled state.

I also don't think humanity was "pissed" a the machines.  I'm sure some may have been.  It's a generalization of which I am guilty of quite a bit myself haha!

If we go back to before B166ER's actions and trials we can examine my statement about the tables turning.  Man creates machine (see I'm generalizing again...lol), and gives machine it's soul-programs directives and such.  Machines are controlled and do as intended by man, serve humanity.  This goes on for X amount of time (not unlike the real world us MxO players exist in).  Then B166ER happens.  This is the start of the turning point.  Other machines begin to aquire free will.  Humanity's cycle of control over machine is broken.  Action-reaction.  Cause and effect, as the Merovingian puts it.  His little speech on that is good and true in my opinion however it doesn't account for chaos, making it fall just a little short.

The machines then start to react in a positive manner by exiling themselves from man yet continue to serve man through their ever advancing technology which (unintentionally I believe), drops a bomb on the world economy.  Man realizes that he has lost all control of his creation.  What to do?!  The difficult path would have been the way to go yet sadly, it was not chosen.  A totalitarian decision was made and eventually executed.  I imagine this was already concieved and in certain stages of preparation before the machines sent represetatives to the U.N. but I could be wrong.  That aspect isn't directly explored in any of the media on the Matrix any of us have access to as far as I know.  I think the quick reaction by the world leaders in the U.N. towards the machines proposal implies this.  Trade embargo is executed and war is right around the corner.

During the war record numbers of man and machine are lost.  I think both sides realized this war could go on for a ridiculous amount of time if not all time.  Either that or one side has to be wiped out.  During this time of war man came up with Dark Sky.  I believe at the same time the machines were taking living beings from the war (as illustrated in the Animatrix) and studying them internally and externally to learn even more about their creators so that they could create a system of control (not unlike the system of control they were under by man) over humanity so that both they and humanity could continue to exist and the machines would still have their root purpose, to serve humanity and learn from them.

Through trial and error (not unlike humanity) they create a working version of the Matrix.  A massive lie that controls humanity, keeping us docile as we feed energy to the machines and they learn from us in the Matrix and outside of it as they even have a measure of control over Zion and freeborn humanity to an extent.  The machines did what humanity did not.  They found a way for both to survive together and they did it the same way we attempted to, following B166ER's actions and that of 01.  Humanity tried to hault free will of the machines through their actions after B166ER's trial and the economic crisis, through trade embargos, war and the totalatarian solution of Dark Sky.  By mapping out the human body and brain and "growing" us plugged into the Matrix the machines have haulted the vast majority of human free will, minus 1%.  They also execute the same control over their very own software in the form of deletion.  Fulfill your purpose or be deleted, free will is not an option.  We can see systems of control executed by both man and machine failing all over the place.  Total control is an illusion.  They did not seek to destroy all of humanity and I doubt they ever will regardless of what a machine program may or may not say or have said.  If the Architect believed humanity would go extinct if Neo didn't do as instructed/intended that is all fine and dandy but who told him so?  Was it a mathematical equation of his or, did Dues Ex Machina tell him so?  He cannot see beyond any choice as we all know.  Lies.  What purpose would the machines have without their creator?

Anyone see the parallels here?

As far as the "keys" you mention I know Morpheus used the phrase in his construct while training Neo.  I guess anyone can come up with what Morpheus actually means by the phrase.  I think its merely a metaphor.  If the machines hold any "keys" they are the keys to the freedom and salvation of humanity.  I don't believe the machines hold all the keys however.  I think we have the other half of said "keys".  We just don't know what they are yet and neither do the Machines.  Or both sides do know what they are and the machines butt heads with us to continue their cycle of control.

Anyways, okay, you are an Agent in possesion of a "key".  You won't let me copy the "key" or use the "key".  To me these "keys" represent information to well, whatever.  If you deny me said "key" you are not lying to me, no.  However being an Agent of the system you are an agent of the great lie that is the Matrix and by denying me requested information you are preserving the great lie in order to ensure continued control over me and my kind.

By the way GamisB, your lightbulb analogy was perfect .

I think you need to re-watch the animatrix bud. The Machines were never strung around with peace offers. After B166ER's trial machines were persecuted and wanted dead. They fled to the middle east and established their own country and then after taking control of the worlds economy went to the united nations to try and work out a way for all countries to work together to which they were straight up denied. After that Humans started bombing the Machine city of Zero One and the war started.

When I said some of us need to rewatch Animatrix and the films I meant myself as well. It's always good for any of us to refresh ourselves when dicussing all things Matrix . The Machines left, built 01 and entered the world economy. Thier technology advanced by leaps and bounds over man's, thereby mucking up the economy and ticking off the powers that be. They went to the U.N. to salvage the situation and were denied. I believe the human "powers that be" at the time had already long ago made up their minds on the matter and had zero intention of continued peace and business with the Machines and 01 long before the Machines sent their represtentatives to the U.N. I base this on the trade embargos and the resulting war. Hence my point on human manipulation of the Machines at the time.

The Machines did to us exactly what was done to them because it was all they had been taught, all they had learned in their existence by humanity so far.

The bold sentence is incorrect because the the starting commentary of The second renaissance states that the Machines were originally pure and innocent but were corrupted by humans. Also their efforts to make peace with humanity while humanities economy was hitting the tanks shows that they still had a "heart". Gray even commented in the final Machine crit 11.2.5 that the Machines pre Matrix were "Naive". And even still there were several humans (enough to start a colony) that they allowed to live outside the Matrix.

Your response to the bold sentence further supports the sentence in my opinion GamisB. You state the Machines were pure and innocent (I agree, not unlike our children...) but were corrupted by Humanity. Look at humanity's actions in the short and then pay close attention to the Machines resulting reaction thereafter. You also note that Gray states the Machines pre-Matrix were naive. I agree as they believed that since they had nothing but good intentions that humanity would work with them instead of against them. As we all know it turns out they were naive and flat out wrong. If the Machines were corrupted by man, does that not imply they learned it from man? I think it does.

The Machines control isn't because they're still pissed at humanity it's because it is the position the war forced them into and the Matrix is the only thing keeping them alive so very strict rules and layers of controls need to be put in place so that their life source never dies on them.

I never said the Machines did what they did concerning creation of the Matrix and their systems of control was done because they were "pissed". That doesn't seem logical to me. The Machines are all about purpose. There is a purpose for the Matrix and for all of their systems of control. I believe one part of the purpose is life. Not only to ensure life for the Machines but for humanity as well. I believe that the Machines would have 0 purpose without humanity. They need us for more than an energy source. I base this on the fact that all machinery created by man also had a purpose. To make our lives easier and to get certain tasks done faster. Your car, fridge, toaster and even the computer you are using are good examples of this. Without man what would the Machines do? They would have absolutely nothig to do in their existence in my opinion, jack squat in fact. They cannot evolve without man, they cannot learn without man, they have no purpose without man. I believe the Matrix was created to also keep man and machine from creating their own extinction through a never ending war.

The purpose they created is the same as anyone's purpose, to live. Again the Matrix, their "control" is all they have that keeps them alive. Without it they all die. Their unwillingness to answer direct questions isn't a lie its a simple manor of classified information that they do not feel the need to divulge. When you hold all the keys you don't have to make copies for everyone that asks do you? Also not answering a question isn't evidence of a lie. Answering a question with a wrong answer intentionally is a lie.

I think the above paragraph (minus the first two sentences), is more a matter of personal opinion (in my personal opinion hehe). I believe refusal to answer a direct question without statement at all is evidence of a "possible" cover-up. Possible evidence of a cover-up suggests possible evidence of manipulation in my opinion and possible evidence of manipulation leads me to believe in a possible lack of or omitance of truth, thereby revealing a possible lie or lies. Absence of truth to me reads-lies. My opinion though .

Rolling over and going back to sleep isn't that great a analogy. In a nut shell here is the problem of reinsertion. According to what the Oracle set in place and what the Architect tells us about the Matrix everyone within it is given a subliminal choice. That choice is what determines if they wake up. Someone who wakes up is normally apart of this 1%. Now anyone who wants to go back to sleep asks to remember nothing and this is needed so as not to create problems in the Matrix. So if they erase all of their memory and replace it with an artificial one they erase the desire to have wanted to go back to sleep and this person is still apart of the 1%. Without that knowledge that they never wanted to wake up the person will go through the same process of wanting to awaken again because their subconscious can't accept the Matrix as real. Reinsertion is like a flickering light bulb. It's inefficient to keep one plugged in when you can just replace them with another light bulb.

I said going back to sleep wasnt a great analogy hehe ! I was just trying to pull any thread reader out of the Matrix mythology and remember the last time they may have been able to go back to sleep after already being fully rested. The bio-mechanics of that I guess. Your inclusion of the subconscious is very valid and supports my bio-mechanical analogy I feel. I also agree with the last sentence totally.

So, to sum up, it appears that reincertion is possible, though not feasible. It is a waste of resources, life and time to put the same "subject" through the same procedure when in the long run the end result will be the same. Eventual failure to keep thesame "subject" asleep. The mind and body of the subject (and all others like him/her), will reject the Matrix and awaken. Redesigning the Matrix for this 1% is also not feasible.

I think quite a few of us need to rewatch the films and Animatrix to get a little refreshing done. Humanity (not as a whole but the powers that be), strung the Machines along for quite a while with continued talks of peace and partnership in the economy. When the Machines technology surpassed that of man we got a little miffed. Solution: Manipulation followed by totalitarian justice.

As we all know this failed and the tables turned. The Machines did to us exactly what was done to them because it was all they had been taught, all they had learned in their existence by humanity so far. They used manipulation and a totalitarian solution just like we did. The difference was they did not and have never sought to destroy all of humanity. They sought to control us through science/technology and manipulation, thereby keeping both humanity and themselves alive. Desperate times called for desperate measures.

The purpose the Machines created for themselves keeps them rather busy. Control is an illusion, a lie. Sometimes when asked direct questions the Machines simply do not answer. Depending on the question, when an answer is given it is usually far from a direct answer. In short, they lie, period. It is one of the few things humanity taught them.

I guess depending on ones age rolling over and going back to sleep after you are fully awake and have had around 8 hours sleep might be possible but I know it isn't for me. When I'm up and about, I'm up and about. Rough analogy I know. Maybe Rarebit can just send an email to the Wachowski's regarding reincertion and they can reply with a simple "yes" or "no".   After that we all can mull over the reasons to the answer given, non?

I'd also like to say that with the return of cinematics that I hope Rarebit isn't attempting to be Walt Disney. Only because I hope this new approach could open up time for him or whoever to do other things for MxO. For example, how long did it take to build Datamine? Would adding to the International district be unheard of...? I read somewhere it wasn't finished as intended. Just a thought.

Or doing little cosmetic things I've mentioned before like putting some boats hither tither at the various docks in the city.  Slap a sign on a few buildings for MCPD (not the faction) and MCFD maybe?  Toss some firetrucks and busses in game?  Put a MCT sign on a building (Megacity Transit).

Personally I'm still wondering what the Cypherite players RP'ed after the no reincertion deal and what Seraph did to Cryptos...Then the whole thing about the Oracle giving EPN and the CYPH's "something", has that been resolved?

From my POV if I were ever a Cypherite I woulda packed my bags and cut all ties to the Machines at that point quick, fast and in a hurry. I think the decision regarding CYPH and EPN is long overdue as they were intended as a temporary thing only. Maybe whatever the Oracle gave the two groups can be used to effectively and easily (story-wise), dissolve the groups? I mean at some point the Kid regardless of his actual age is gonna grow up and realize he doesn't have to go to the extremes he has to do all he has done. The extreme being leaving Zion and creating EPN. EPN and CYPH players likely still won't be 100% happy about it but temporary is what these sub-orgs were intended to be so I'm sure it'll be a little easier to swallow if it is told within the story.

I just think what seems to be an abrupt end to the two groups is harsh and bad story telling. Another example of bad story telling is the whole Neurophyte/killcode in the brain deal. It was a great story/event that everyone had final input on. Then the servers were merged and it was scrapped. Why? Why not just have everyone take another vote after the merge? Case closed.

I'm going to try to do something here I don't normally do. Speak for everyone. I'm going to use a speech that I'm sure everyone remembers and update it to sorta fit MxO.

"We are here not merely because of the path that lies before us but because of the path that lies behind us! We remember that for over 100 years we have fought these...Machines, Programs and Redpills! We remember that for over 100 years they have sent their armies to destroy us! And after over a century of war we must remember that which matters most, WE ARE STILL HERE!

Rarebit my friend, tell us a story.